Pharmacy Robbery - What would you have done?

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I missed this robbery by a very short time period. I was in the store and milling about near that same counter for several minutes.

I know what I would have done. What would you have done? Though I don't know what he said you can see that he was at least implying he had a firearm.

http://youtu.be/Ep2uuMFfaQo

http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-story-man-wearing-pink-dress-robs-pharmacy-110720,0,3723023.story

I was carrying a S&W 5903 SSV Custom 9mm w/2 spare magazines...... just for your reference. However, that does not imply that I either would have/would not have gotten involved.

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Nothing. Not my problem. Watch from as advantageous a viewpoint as I could; be a good witness for LEOs.
JMO.
 
Be a good witness. The holdup man needs to take care of some things ahead of time as it appears he put his gun on the counter to adjust his mask if that's his profession.
 
Fixed the link... CVS Pharmacy Robbery

The robber seemed to be very calm and sedate. For the safety of innocent bystanders it's best to just let the worthless SOB have the cash... as much as that make me want to puke my guts out.
 
Nothing. Not my problem. Watch from as advantageous a viewpoint as I could; be a good witness for LEOs.
JMO.

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If no direct threat is facing me or my family I'll do exactly nothing.

Whatever happens to the other folks in the altercation is just the price they you pay when you decide to leave your personal protection in the hands of others


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Depends.

My "helpometer" is largely spent after 20 years of service, and would register a big fat ZERO for certain segments of the population.
 
It would depend entierly on where I was and where other people were.
I'd have no problem delivering two to the body, one to the chest.

Didnt that appear to suspicious to anyone? Or are large black men in pink dresses with clothing over their faces normal in that part of the world?
 
Like others, I'm keeping my mouth shut and eyes open unless the robber decides to get crazy - then it's moment to moment. In a nutshell though, unless I'm directly threatened I'm w/ Sidheshooter - not my problem.
 
As I have stated,retired LEO .

So I truly know what "taking action" would involve and if its not a true matter of death,no action on my behalf.

Between all the time in "interviews" and the press at your door,and then ALL your family and friends being interviewed by the press and the photo turds.

Well,its not worth it = unless its REALLY WORTH IT.

Cash or drugs are not worth it,imnsho.
 
To the original poster.
So instead of leaving before he/she/it got there you got held up in your timing browsing at the birthday cards and then you finally decided to head to the cashier at the fateful moment.
So I ask you..What would you have done??
 
FWIW - a long time ago I was in a c. store when it got robbed. There wasn't anything I could have done, the clerks (two) were between me and the robber, so I just turned my back to him and looked at the magazines. He took the money and a 6-pack of beer and hauled ass.
 
Yeah I received the usual suspect wanted" email from nixle the day that happened...

I was a little shocked to see the outfit.

If no direct threat is facing me or my family I'll do exactly nothing.

Same here. I feel any intervention would have made the situation worse. Given the STD factor in Fayetteville, I really don't want to risk bloody hand to hand combat with a fella in a pink dress...not even so much as his saliva on my knuckle after a punch. No thanks. I feel for the police that have to physically subdue guys like this with all of the spitting, bleeding and fighting that often ensues.

There was a point where he set "whatever that was" on the counter...I still would have done nothing. From where I would have stood, there's too great of a chance to hit the clerk with a miss or a shoot through. Even if I felt justified to draw and shoot, that would have been difficult to do without further risking the clerk's life.

I try to avoid that shopping area if at all possible, the walmart across the street has a pretty bad crime rate.
 
I refuse to deal with clowns like this unless I'm being paid for it. If it doesn't involve me or mine I'm staying out of it.
 
I wonder if the moron thought he was really fooling anyone with that dress... making people think he's a woman.

OMG... what if it WAS a woman??:eek:dry-heave:barf:dry-heave:barf:dry-heave:barf:
 
I would have discretely watched, taken notes, and deactivated my safety. I wouldn't have moved unless the situation turned to one of occurring or immanent serious violence.

EDIT: In such a situation without a clear mortal threat, just opening up and shooting can get you in deep hot boiling water.
 
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I would have said "Are you seriously wearing THOSE shoes with THAT dress? Which, by the way, does not suit your figure at all, Sir."

And done nothing unless it appeared he presented a viable threat.
 
jscott said:
I missed this robbery by a very short time period. I was in the store and milling about near that same counter for several minutes.

I know what I would have done. What would you have done? Though I don't know what he said you can see that he was at least implying he had a firearm.

http://youtu.be/Ep2uuMFfaQo

http://www.myfox8.com/news/wghp-stor...,3723023.story

I was carrying a S&W 5903 SSV Custom 9mm w/2 spare magazines...... just for your reference. However, that does not imply that I either would have/would not have gotten involved.


Pfft.
I would've thrown the keys to the CII locker behind him, and gone out the nearest exit.
 
To the original poster.

So instead of leaving before he/she/it got there you got held up in your timing browsing at the birthday cards and then you finally decided to head to the cashier at the fateful moment.

So I ask you..What would you have done??

Tactical patience. Based on the video (I only know what everyone else knows) I did not see an imminent threat to life. I am not of the mind that my firearm is only to be used in defense of myself and my family. I am willing to defend an obviously innocent third party as well. Nonetheless, this appeared to be a robbery and nothing more. Tactical patience demands that I seek to place myself in a position of advantage from whence I could exact a violence of action to overcome the deadly threat should one be manifested, but only if it is manifested.

Arguably, a robber presenting a weapon (or what is implied to be a weapon) does constitute a deadly threat. The robber in this case had the "means and opportunity." I think the law is pretty clear that the third prerequisite of "intent" is met as well. A criminal, during the commission of a felony, not only possessing a firearm but pointing it in the direction of others is more than enough action to articulate intent.

Based on that information, I do feel that I (or anyone else) would have been justified in the application of deadly force at any time during the immediate commission of this crime. That does not mean it would have been the prudent thing to do. Like I said, I would have observed until I felt like there was no other option, but not a moment longer.

Unlike some, I would not simply ignore the whole situation. 10 years in law enforcement has ingrained in me an unwillingness to simply do nothing, as long as it does not endager my family or others. I am ok with a little self exposure that is mitigated through proper tactics.

That being the case, I would have followed the subject while calling 911. I would have attempted to ascertain any getaway vehicle information or at least a direction of travel. Maintaining 911 communication, I would also be inclined to follow in a vehicle (from a safe distance) or even on foot if that was the suspect's mode of travel. I would not make any attempt to detain the subject or hinder their escape. Nonetheless, should I be discovered and a threat presented itself, I would deal with that accordingly either through a graceful exit or strong defense, situation dependent.

To be clear, I do not recommend taking any further action than the initial observation and a report to 911. I am simply speaking from a unique perspective of what I know I would do and how far I am willing to go, combined with 10+ years of law enforcement experience that enables me to take some reasonable level of action. I do not believe in a willful escalation of the situation. I do believe in allowing on-duty police officers to do their job. At the same time, I cannot personally do nothing at all. My training and experience has allowed me to do more than that while minimizing risk and my values demand it.
 
Sometimes the best action, is no action at all.... sometimes the hardest action is no action at all....

But it would probably be pretty high on my options list... without actually seeing a gun, without a real confirmed, IMMINENT THREAT... I would do nothing, except be his worst nightmare witness in court...
 
jscott,thank you for such a concise answer.
I readily agree as well.
 
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