Philippine 1911's- real deal

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I bought a used Metro Arms Amigo used last fall. It is my first 1911. Reliability was questionable at first, and eventually had to be dealt with. I discovered by reading on the web that Amigos had poor recoil springs. I ordered a new(16#) set from Midway and the gun has been 100% reliable since.
The gun is accurate, shooting good groups just a touch low.
The Amigo is just as concealable as my SP101.

I am not an expert on 1911s by any means, but when I dismantled the Amigo to replace the springs, I found some minor peening and questionable wear on some of the internal parts, suggesting that the quality or temper of the steel is lacking.
I am glad that I bought the Amigo. I think that the Officer sized 1911 is perfect for me to carry. I think for a carry piece that doesn't get shot much except practice, it is fine. If I was going to compete with it, I might go for a little higher end brand. Although I see in this thread where others here are shooting USPSA with 'em.
For my $.02, I'd say buy it, put new springs in it, shoot the heck out of it....in a year or two you may want to upgrade.
 
I love the 1911s of the Philippines. I've not had a problem with them, and continue to own and buy them. When they start becoming so obviously worse than any other 1911 marketed, I'll quit buying them.

I'll not spend the money for a Kimber, not when I can own a pistol half as rich and twice as reliable. I've watched them fail too many times in the hands of shooters much better than I. Two good things about them:
1. They're good for practicing malfunction drills.
2. They're accurate.

But that ain't gettin' it done.
 
Over the years I have owned a number of 1911s. Colts, a Frankenstein, Kimber, Norinco, ECT. About 2 years ago I picked up a Metro Arms 'Classic American ' .45acp. It was a accurate & was a very nice gun. It had some good extras on it & was a good value IMO. I sold it a few months back &have regret doing so . I have been looking at the armscor guns &they look like a good gun in that price range also. Well now I guess I might just have to check one out if I get the chance. By the way my 3 best 1911s were Norinco, Kimber & Colt. Just the way it worked out. But to tell the truth as long as it works well & is accurate &its a 1911, I Like it! :rolleyes:
 
I carry an Ati made by Sp.orting Arms in the Phillipenes. Good qulity weapon that has stood the test of time and round count
 
In post #2 the esteemed moderator listed manufacturers. American Rifleman did a story on Armscor not too long ago. Google it and read the story. Armscor is headquartered in the USA. Manufacturing is mainly in the Philippines.
 
A note on manufacturers.
Metro Arms - American Classic and Firestorm.

Firestorm has been discontinued (Pontiac vs. Chevy type of deal) for some time. It was the same as American Classic except for the rollmark. I don't believe many were imported under the Firestorm name but I have one and am very happy with it.

Be careful as several years prior there was another 1911 Firestorm imported. This one was from Llama in Spain and does not enjoy a good reputation. Fortunately the Llama manufactured one has an external extractor while the Metro Arms one has the traditional internal extractor. Of course both will have the manufacturer's name on the slide as well but the internal vs. external is an even faster way to tell them apart.

Short version - Firestorm internal extractor, good pistol. Firestorm external extractor, you're taking a chance. Be sure it is an informed choice.

Dan
 
I have a ATI Commander and that eats everything I put through it. It's a very inexpensive 1911 but has a frame to slide fit that is better than other 1911's costing much more. These ATI's are a steal.
 
I will confess that the last couple Rock Island Armory 1911s that I examined closely looked pretty doggone good ... I am considering buying the 5" Tactical version to run against a Springfield Armory TRP (the two pistols seem to share many attributes). More to follow on this.
 
I had a RIA Tactical 5 inch I took in trade. The original owner couldn't get it to feed the first round from the magazine. I found that to be true with any magazine I tried. A quick exam revealed the breech face to be the roughest I've ever seen, same was true for the frame ramp. I smoothed and polished these surfaces, as well as cleaned the burrs up on the extractor hook. Tuned the extractor, and the gun ran well. I should mention that the metal was extremely soft, some 300 grit wrapped around a flat file made short work of the breech face roughness. While I had it disassembled I found the firing pin channel was slightly misaligned, necessitating the firing pin to be indexed to move freely in the channel. I sold the gun with full disclosure. For the casual shooter, who will likley shoot far less than a thousand rounds in a year, the gun should run for years before frame and slide peening become an issue. (Looks like the same problem as in post 26)
This is my only experience with these pistols, so don't know if it's typical. I don't think they've been on the market long enough to tell. I would suggest that anyone shooting these pistols much keep good springs in them, maybe even a buffer if it doesn't cause function problems.
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I'll chime in as the owner of two RIA/Armscor 1911A1's. One is a Match model. It's the same platform as the STI Spartan from what I understand and for the $$, a good deal. I used it IDPA for two years. The other is a Tactical model that did take a trip to a local gunsmith for a Cerakote finish to tone down the roll mark on the slide. Also had a few things polished while it was a apart. I have never had a problem with either pistol. Both are very accurate. Are they as nice as some of my friends Colts or Kimbers? Nope, but I got a great deal on the Match and the Tactical is something of a range gun. BTW, I have never run anything but 230 grn ammo through either gun.
 
If you call Armscor, they treat you like family would and will take care of any issues. Forever.

I have met the second generation owners, Martin and Carlos Tauson. Regular guys who are committed to making a quality product at an affordable price.
They are committed to customer service. If anyone has an unresolved problem PM me and I will give you Carlos email address.
 
Years back, I got an RIA Compact. Replaced the grips, but that's all I ever did to it. It was a definite shooter - nice and accurate. Hiccuped occasionally on extraction/ejection, so I sent it back and Arnel got it right. Never a problem after that, but it had a preference for fmj ammo.

It resides with my nephew these days, protecting him and his family.
 
Armscor has a nice history, and their CS is above average for the gun industry.

One of my first rifle purchases was a Squires-Bingham model 16, which is now the ARMSCOR 1600.
Nifty little rifle, even if it is an ugly copy of the m16. My uncle has it, being used for critter removal duty in Birmingham, AL.
My grandfather used it for awhile before him, he removed the black paint from the stock & clearcoated it...
the natural look of the Parawood stock is Beautiful!! Most folks call it Malaysian Mahogany...and other things...

Anyway, S-B was a British company operating in P.I., then they were bought out by P.I. intrests...
the name changed to ARMSCOR, and things have been improving ever since.
Most of the old S-B firearms are still made, along with many newly invented ones that are quite nice.
Quality of most is similar to what you would find in 1950's/1960's Marlin rifles, as in, pretty solidly made.
And much like old Marlins, the more use they see, the better they work...
or if you wish to shortcut it, do a Fluff & Buff for best results :evil:

Why RIA/ARMSCOR 1911's are so solid...
Remember WW2? So do they. They're still pretty peeved at the Japanese. Can't blame 'em.
So they make their centerfire weapons very well, just in case they're ever needed for another invasion.
Might not be the prettiest girl at the 1911 dance, but they tend to work well.
If you ever get one that has issues, send it in, that's what the warranty is for. They will fix it.

Mass Production has the downside of less QC and less hand-fitting/finishing than more expensive guns,
so you have two choices, pay more, or do some work yourself.
I am far too cheap to pay $2K for an STI...

Personally I believe that if you own a 1911, you should be able to handle reasonable service/maintenance to it,
and be able to do a trigger job, internals polish, etc... on your own.
 
Had a Norinco 1911-sold it. (Carried a Colt 1911 on duty). Bought a RIA 1911. Fine firearm. Tolerance was good. After a few boxes of any style .45 ACP, the gun actually got even better. I was very pleased with it. Never any failures of any sort. Recommended it to my Son. Shot better than my friends Kimber and even he had to admit I made a good purchase. (That doesn't mean Kimber is sub-par by any means. It means RIA should probably charge more than they do for their 1911! Shhh!!!) I bought a Ruger SR1911 and it is now the best 1911 I've used to date.
 
Big Shrek....

LOVE your tag-line buddy!!

A firearm should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.
 
Happened to listen to an interview with the CEO (Martin Tauson) of ARMSCOR yesterday. I didn't realize that they had only been in the 1911 game since about 1999. He stated that if you have any of their early 1911's and are having a problem, get in contact with customer service. He was really stressing the CS side of the business and price point too.
 
I own a 5" American Classic that I purchased new at a gun show in Houston Texas back in 2008 for a whopping $275.....great firearm and 100% reliable.

A few months back I purchased a RIA GI model but haven't gotten around to firing it yet. It was curious though....the box is marked 5" and has the proper serial number but the barrel is actually 4-1/4". Feels good in the hand although heavy. I did replace the grip panels with a set made of purpleheart.

We sort of collect 1911's and the newest (the RIA) makes eleven for us. I have a Norinco from the early 90's that, other than replacing the recoil spring several times, has a round count exceeding 8,000. I'll take my Amer Classic and Norinco over any of my Colts, Kimbers, or Springfields.
 
I do not have a Metro, but I do have a Philippine 1911 – with the ATI brand on it. I put it that way because my gunsmith told me that many Philippine-made 1911s are made by one company, and branded for the company that imports and sells them here.

Grabagun.com had them on sale for $329 (and still does until July 1.) I disregarded it at first because of the low price, but then I bought it after seeing a review here --

https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/buyers-guide-for-all-you-1911-addicts.511/

and then looking up other reviews wherever I could find them around the web. The link above is to a site operated by a fellow who has more than 60 different 1911s, all from different companies, and the site has high-quality photos and reviews of each of them.

First of all let me say a word about the Grabagun purchase process. I ordered the ATI 1911 FX45 Military (5-inch barrel) around noon one day, and had it in my hand on the morning of the second day after the day I ordered it. I was charged only $6 for shipping, though the gun was sent USPS priority mail. Not only that, but my gunsmith had mistakenly faxed in an outdated copy of his FFL, with the wrong address on it, but Grabagun somehow figured it out and mailed to his correct, current address.

Now as to the gun itself. As so many others whose reviews I read on line before deciding to purchase the FX45, I am very impressed with it. Though it is extremely close-fitting everywhere, I nevertheless was astounded at the out-of-the-box, silky smoothness of the cycling of the action. Attempting to create any movement at the rear of the barrel by poking a finger through the ejection port was unsuccessful, as was attempting to move the muzzle end. This thing is just TIGHT!

Finish is a nice, smooth, consistent-all-over black matte. Grips are very nice, checkered mahogany.

Another thing that astounded me is the glittering, mirror-like appearance of the bore. I’ve never seen one like it – it looks like highly polished silver. If I can keep it that way, I’m hoping it will give me an extra 100 FPS! :p

The gun came sealed in a plastic, sort of “baggie,” and covered inside and out with something that looked and felt a little like a mix of 10W30 and liquid cosmolene. It was easy to remove the stuff and replace it with one of my own favorite lubes.

It came with an eight-round ACT mag (unfortunately only one, though for the price I’m not complaining) which I have no experience with, though from online research I understand that it is a rather high-end, high-quality item.

So far I have only managed to put 100 rounds through it, one trip to the range, with 230-gn. ball ammo. There were no problems at all. I loaded the 100 rounds five at a time, so there were 20 mag changes. I have read of some others having problems getting all eight rounds out of the mag, but I never loaded that many so have no comment on this.

Sights are military style – simple, low and fixed, but slightly higher than the standard GI sights. The mag well is slightly beveled.

One thing that had me a little concerned was the fact that the ejection port is standard military, neither lowered nor beveled, but so far no problems with ejection or anything else.

I did end up with a small, slightly bleeding slice in the web between my right thumb and index finger, and traced it to a very sharp edge on the bottom rear of the manual safety. Easily fixed.

I should mention here that on one (and regrettably only one) of the 20 targets that I shot at, at ten yards, all five shots went into one ragged hole. All my other groups were 2 – 3 inches across, but that one group tells me that my new gun is a whole lot more accurate than I am.

I shot one target from a rest at ten yards, the shots grouping about one inch above, and one-and-a-half inches to the right of the point of aim. I like a bit more opening than the usual gap in my rear sights, so I think I’ll have my gunsmith figure out exactly how much to take off the inside of the left ear, and make it go right where I want it to.

I am, so far, very pleased with the FX45. I don’t know if it is manufactured by the same plant that makes the Metro or not, but if it is, I highly recommend it.
 
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with the ATI brand on it. I put it that way because my gunsmith told me that many Philippine-made 1911s are made by one company, and branded for the company that imports and sells them here.

Armcor makes 1911 for a few companies like RIA, Hi Standard, and Citadel to name a few. Your gunsmiths statement is wrong as there are 3 Philipine 1911 makers, Armscor, Shooters Arms Manufacturing, and Metro Arms.
 
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few years ago bought a Philippine made 1911 frame from Sarco's.
Made a 1911 out of it. Shot real well.
 
I own an American Classic with the commander size slide. I purchased this gun new while working part time for a local dealer (bought my guns at cost) .

I can not recall the price but know for sure it was less than $400 .

So far it has been flawless and the most accurate out of the box 1911 I have owned. I would not hesitate to buy another.

In the past I owned 4 Colts, 1 Remington, 1 Detronics, 1 AMT , and perhaps another of something that I have forgotten over the years. I don't recall any of them that I prefer over the present Metro gun.

PS: The one I forgot was a Para .
 
"Your gunsmiths statement is wrong as there are 3 Philipine 1911 makers, Armscor, Shooters Arms Manufacturing, and Metro Arms."

Actually his statement is correct; note that he said "many [not "all"] Philippine-made 1911s are made by one company."

According to your information, that is correct.

Also -- just to complete my original post -- I have since learned that my ATI is made by S A M.
 
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