Pistol- caliber carbines

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What are your suggestions, guys? Range toy/ home defense stuff for use.


I can think of 3 or 4 models, but I want to know if any of you guys have other ideas.
 
I have a HK USC and love it. Pricey I know..but it shoots really really well. I also have a CX4 and like it, but the USC is a totally different animal.
 
Well, dunno...take your pick.

KT/HP

9mm/.22LR

.45 Colt

.40/.45

.45 ACP

PCSC

Personally, I think there's no good reason for a PCC, except (perhaps) price, since you can probably find a Sub-2000 for $300, if you look around. Power will be eclipsed by practically any rifle round. If ammo cost is the issue, go for something like a 5.45x39mm or 7.62x39mm. If recoil is the issue, once again, go 5.56 or 5.45mms.

Penetration of most expanding high speed rifle rounds will be exceeded by common defensive handgun ammunition. In general, the PCC is an answer in search of a question, with the exception of the big boomers like .44 Magnum or stout .45 Colt. These rounds are very capable short range hunters, and loaded with lighter expanding bullets, would work well for home defense.

Now I'm going to contradict myself, and say I'd love a carbine in 9x23mm Winchester for close-range hog hunting. :)

John
 
seems this issue just won't die out. a hold over from the Western Frontier or maybe before, the longhunters carried same caliber pistols with their flintlocks and caplocks. I can say that I won't part with my Marlin Camp .45 - it's my second if I lose/disable my Mini when the Zombie attack comes. And I also have the 9mm model just in case. can't believe what the prices for those thimgs are now. commonality with magazines from popular pistols is a big +.
 
There was a big difference between a .54 caliber Hawken rifle and a pistol of similar caliber -- the old Mountain Men favored heavy powder charges in their rifles, since they hunted buffalo and occasionally grizzleys with them. The pistols, on the other hand were basicaly self-defense weapons,

A generation or so later, the old timers carried pistol caliber carbines because that was all there was -- Winchester didn't have a repeater capable of handling full power rifle cartridges until the Model 1886. So your choices were a pistol caliber repeater or a single shot rifle.
 
I own CX4 in .45, but now wish I went for a 9mm. In my opinion, they are fun, but thats a bout it. I would not use them for home defence. The issue with original cx4s in 45 is a low capacity magazine - 8 rounds is just not enough. For some time, there was a talk of Beretta making a highr capacity magazines for that gun, but the idea never materialized. The newer versions now have a redesigned magazine well to fit px4 45 magazines that have higher capacity, but I can't use them on mine (that is accourding to my research several months back, but not sure what the situation is now).

If you want to use one for plinking, I'd suggest a 9mm. They take 17-20 rd magazines and a lot cheaper to shoot. Use a pistol or shotgun for home defence.
 
Hm... actually, it's sort of weird. My dad was surprised today that we don't have a firearm in 9mm... we already have a polymer pistol in .40, a .357, a .45, a .38, a .380, and a .22. That's a pretty good pistol collection, I must say. We don't need more, really, so I'm trying to convince him of a pistol- caliber carbine instead. Another good thing about the carbine is that we don't really have one, and it would fill the gap between the rifles and pistols. Plus... they're fun.
 
I am waiting to find a deal on a Marlin in .357 because I have a lever gun fetish. Also I think it is great someone linked to a thread of mine in another thread,makes me feel like I am actually contributing something around here.
 
Pistol caliber carbines = Fun!
I have a hard time justifing owning one...but its fun to shoot.

Here are some suggestions for you

-IMI timberwolf - the only pcc I own (taurus makes a similar one but I haven't hear much about it)
-fn FS2000 (not sure if this one qualifies)
-Legacy sports puma
 
I guess I'd look for a lever action or a pump action. Lever actions can be had in all kinds of interesting pistol carts from .357 on up. IMI's .357 pump is out of production. Taurus and a couple other companies are marketing Colt Lightning repros, but only in .45 Colt AFAIK.
If I was going with an autoloader, I'd get one in an intermediate rifle cartridge.
 
Uh...have you actually ever walked around carrying a firearm- a real, actual, go-to-war gun, not a little concealable reactive piece- 100% of every day except when you were going to the latrine?

I have. And in reality land, the most I'd ever want to walk around with all the time is something like a Glock 24 or a Ruger Blackhawk.
 
Yeah, PCCs are generally used as companion guns. BUT, just for fun, a Thompson is pretty cool, and I've fired ARs in .45 ACP with an M4 config that were a real hoot, and a real breeze to shoot with an electronic sight. My freinds with Marlin Camps seem to gush over them, but I've not actually fired one. If you're not limited to a semi-auto, there are some really nice lever guns in .357, 45 Colt, etc.. The 45 Colt in a carbine-length barrel packs a decent punch too. Then there is the US Carbine, Caliber.30 M1, which ahould not be ignored. It is a darling, super light, and the cartridge also comes in expanding bullet loads. 110 grain FMJ at 1900 fps is the standard load. It could be classified as a PCC. Ruger, and possibly others, have made revolvers chambered for the .30 Carbine.
 
Uh...have you actually ever walked around carrying a firearm- a real, actual, go-to-war gun, not a little concealable reactive piece- 100% of every day except when you were going to the latrine?

It was only a joke, relax.. Everyone missed the smiley at the end.
 
I picked up a Marlin 1894C at a gun show in Ft Worth on a trip to Texas earlier this month. I've been wanting one to complement two .357 Mag revolvers I own and reload for. For fun I'll shoot .38's through it -- not much more recoil than a .22. If I ever hunt with it, I'll load up some heavy .357's for it.

I'm headed to the hills for a long weekend over the 4th, and will be having some fun with it (along with several other rifles I'll be taking). Sort of a fireworks extravaganza using firearms for the 4th.
 
AK-47 pistols, I sure wish I could carry one of those on me everyday.

What's stopping you? I might consider it if I were twice my actual human size and strength (a .50 S&W would be more controllable) but I digress. Now you're talking about RCPs (rifle caliber pistols).
 
I've got a Sub2k in 9mm (w/ the Smith & Wesson style mags), bought from another THR member, and it is excellent fun. No deep justification for it, but a few quick plugs:

- It folds. It fits in a briefcase, and in a nice (though not super protective) case from Kel-Tec. It folds. It is gun-paranoid horror fantasy manifest. It folds. And frankly, I think gun-paranoid fantasies need to be mocked as the fever-dream idiocy they are. I *could* choose to mentally cue "sunglassed and grim-jawed sniper grimly snaps together his grim-looking rifle before assassination scene in a thriller" music, but frankly, it's hard to remember to be that grim. Early Elvis works just as well.

- Shooting 9mm is cheaper than shooting *most* other calibers, most of the time. .22, sure, but ... well, is the Kel-Tec in .22 of similar style out yet? :) I would like one of those, surely. The details make all the difference, but for the few .45 cartridges I've made by reloading (sadly, still only a handful, but should be more soon), 9mm at sale prices is I think just about the same cost.

- Recoil is slight. Not *nothing,* but it's nonetheless merely something to sneeze at -- just a tiny nudge. I'd have no hesitation about (with safety instruction of course!) letting teenage cousins, say, shoot it on that front -- whereas a 12ga or similar might make new shooters gunshy forever if they flinch on the first shot or two.

Upshot: I'm very happy w/ my Sub2K, hope to get a chance to shoot it again soon, and have so far experience no great cognitive dissonance wrt the purchase :) It is *not* the most accurate gun I own, in my hands, but since I'm only plinking, that's part of the challenge.

timothy
 
Well, in another thread in this forum, I actually came across one of the better justifications for a Sub-2000 that I've seen in a while.

The OP says he's going to be doing a lot of ATVing and Jeeping in remote areas. I suggested a 2000 could be a low-observability, easy-packing piece that could be rapidly brought into action if needed. A small, fairly ungunlike case could store the 2000 on an ATV, hidden in plain sight.

And, don't get me wrong. I bought the Sub-2000's predecessor, the Sub-9, and used it for a carbine course (for which it was MUCH better suited than another shooter's SKS). I had SN 11X.

J
 
The HK USC carbine is a fantastic weapon. If you can live with ten rounds and can resist the urge to spend thousands to convert it to a UMP look alike then it doesn't get much better as far as I'm concerned.
 
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