lsudave
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Accidents can and do happen, to even the most cautious and careful person.Funny, even John Browning didn't like grip safeties.
And FYI no one "accidently" pulls the trigger on any firearm.
Accidents can and do happen, to even the most cautious and careful person.Funny, even John Browning didn't like grip safeties.
And FYI no one "accidently" pulls the trigger on any firearm.
I think the functional purpose of a mag safety is to disable the gun by removing the mag (duh), as a last line of defense in a struggle. There seem to be a number of anecdotes online involving police officers struggling with criminals, who drop the mag on purpose.The mag safeties have to be one of the most ignorant designs ever invented. They are designed for people who are not attentive enough to clear a gun properly. Seriously, who does not check the chamber as the last step to determine that a gun is unloaded? I realize that a number of firearms require the trigger to be pulled to disassemble the gun, but training and attention to detail is the correct answer to this question not another mechanical device in the gun.
I like grip safeties and have never had an issue with one not working. To me they are a safety that I don't have to worry about. Its there but I don't even think about it while shooting. I also like the safety on a Beretta 92 and Beretta PX4. Positioning doesn't bother me and the fact that it physically moves the firing pin away from the chambered round makes me feel safer than with other types of safeties.
There IS a difference; the LC9s Pro does not have a safety that can be accidentally bumped to "on" position. If you are expecting the safety to be off when need that weapon, you'll have a bad day.I disagree. The LC9s that I mostly carry is virtually indistinguishable from a LC9s Pro aside from the mag disconnect and the frame safety. I bought mine because I got it brand new for $200 less than a "pro" model. I was willing to take on those two non wanted features for the difference in price. I carry it with the safety off because my other striker fired carry guns operate in the same manner, no thumb safety. And, the fact that most of these small sub compact guns with "thumb safeties" are laughable at best. Me carrying my LC9s with the safety off is no different than someone carrying a LC9s Pro.
The only type of "safety" I'd personally be comfortable with is a 1911 style extended. But even there it wouldn't be my first choice for carry. Simple is fast in a SD situation.
It was my first time seeing a grip safety, it was on a Kimber 1911, not sure the model. The owner of the firearm was demonstrating how they work. He unloaded the firearm, pushed the safety, and pulled the trigger *Click*. Several obscenities followed from him along with "That wasn't supposed to happen."
I read the same thing. If the grip safety was depressed, even without gripping the gun and the trigger was pulled, the hammer should drop.Herrwalther writes:
It's pretty early as I read this, but I don't think I'm reading it correctly. Are you saying the hammer dropped ("click") when the trigger was pulled with the grip safety "pushed"? Does "pushing" the grip safety mean squeezing it? In what position was the frame-mounted safety? The way I'm reading it, it sounds like it functioned normally, but the owner's reaction clearly indicates otherwise.
There IS a difference; the LC9s Pro does not have a safety that can be accidentally bumped to "on" position. If you are expecting the safety to be off when need that weapon, you'll have a bad day.
I've carried my LC9s daily and I can't count the times I upholstered at the end of the day to find that safety in a different position than I put it. And I use high quality holsters.
Each to his own, but I will never trust that safety to be off just because I put it there. My practice draws include swiping it off every single time.
It's pretty early as I read this, but I don't think I'm reading it correctly. Are you saying the hammer dropped ("click") when the trigger was pulled with the grip safety "pushed"? Does "pushing" the grip safety mean squeezing it? In what position was the frame-mounted safety? The way I'm reading it, it sounds like it functioned normally, but the owner's reaction clearly indicates otherwise.
I read the same thing. If the grip safety was depressed, even without gripping the gun and the trigger was pulled, the hammer should drop.
Now if you are saying he swiped off the manual safety, left the grip safety not depressed, pulled the trigger and dropped the hammer....now that would be a problem.
Of course the best safety on any pistol or revolver is the owner herself/himself, and the second best safety is a strong lockable safe, but with that said, I have settled on a the few pistol safeties that I think are worth having and the several safeties that I think should be tossed.
Your list may vary, but here is mine:
WINNERS: grip safety (Colt 1911's and XD), drop safety, magazine disconnect, loaded chamber indicator (like on the Glock but not like on the Ruger Mark III), and a minimum six pound trigger pull on DA or DAO revolvers.
LOSERS: keyed action safety (S&W), trigger safety widget (Glock), thumb safety (1911's and others), biometric or electrically dependent devices.
TIE: de-cockers
Though I am not as experienced as most here on The High Road, I have shot many different pistols and revolvers. I suppose it all comes down to preference but I think a grip safety, magazine disconnect, loaded chamber indicator, drop safety, and a proper trigger pull for pistol type are really the only safeties worth their engineering.
The keyed action safety is a political invention and not a safety at all, and the Glock-like trigger widgets fail every time a person accidentally pulls the trigger....so why have these features at all? And Murphy guarantees that exactly the time you need your pistol the most, the battery will fail on that $300 biometric holster.
The magazine disconnect is a personal favorite. For awhile I had to travel for work and my family and I would be at one apartment for a number of months at a time until we were moved to the next local. I always carried my S&W 5906 as I could leave it in the apartment with the magazine removed and in this manner it was still quickly accessible to my wife but not to our (then) very young children.
Do you agree with my list?