please do not start a flame war...help me understand the popularity of Glocks...

[mgmorden]

coolluke01, we went over this on another thread. The proper 1911 grip "allows" you to disengage the safety when you grasp the pistol, it doesn't cause you to disengage safety when you grasp it.

I think he was referring to the grip safety, not the thumb safety. Grasping the gun most certainly does "cause" the grip safety to disengage.

 

[JTQ]

mgmorden wrote,
I think he was referring to the grip safety, not the thumb safety. Grasping the gun most certainly does "cause" the grip safety to disengage.

Possibly.

This would include the 1911 platform if you hold it in a way that disengages the safety when you hold it. Thumbs over the top of the safety.

Though you don't usually put your thumb over the top of the grip safety.

 

[JustinJ]

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Those fancy, collector 1911s are often extremely expensive and not bought for practical use. That is a different class of gun, imo. Glocks, and other guns for real world use, are made to be practical, not pretty.

Silly Marine Expedition Unit, using those fancy Kimber 1911s which are not meant for serious work! Man those Marines must not know what is good for fighting! Silly, silly Marines.

Really, its news to me that Marines are choosing weapons based on looks. What is so fancy about the MEU? If they're spending money on fancy engraving or pretty finishes i'd love to know about it as i don't see that as a wise use of tax money.

 

[coolluke01]

The proper 1911 grip "allows" you to disengage the safety when you grasp the pistol, it doesn't cause you to disengage safety when you grasp it.

You are right I misstated that. You would have to bring your thumb down to achieve "proper" thumb position and that would deactivate the safety. That was my thinking. But you are right in saying that gripping the gun properly doesn't disengage the safety.

 

[$$Midge$$]

Here's what a Policeman told me.

They are cookie cutter guns, he also refered to them as tupperware guns.
They come apart very easily for cleaning. My Kimber 1911 is a pain in the ---to take apart and put back together; the glock a breeze. He also said they are very reliable.

His final comment about his Glock and all the other police in his group that carry Glocks was if someone runs out of ammo during an encounter, another officer can throw his clip to him and potentially save his life.

 

[dprice3844444]

and the best thing of all you forgot to mention,they are dishwasher safe

 

[Wapato]

I would be careful about using this statement. It gives the impression that the safety is there so you don't have to be as careful.

That's not at all what I'm saying as you've correctly guessed. Many of the safety rules themselves contain redundency in safety.

For example always checking to make sure a gun isn't loaded when you pick it up, but then treating it like it's loaded anyway and not waving it around etc.

My work is related to industrial safety. The inescapable reality seems to be that even smart people have the occasional bad day, and extra layers of safeties/interlocks/procedures/checks can keep that from becoming a very bad day.

Any safety that you disengage when you grip the firearm is IMO is not necessary and adds little to no added security. This would include the 1911 platform if you hold it in a way that disengages the safety when you hold it. Thumbs over the top of the safety.

I'm not sure, but I feel like I recall that a grip safety was in the requirements put forward for the competition that led to the adoption of the 1911.

Those are the sort of requirements that are written in somebodies blood. A grip safety would seem to provide protection against snags, stumbles, and that sort of thing.

I just don't know how often that comes up. I wish I did actually, but I don't think that data is complied by anybody.

 

[GregGry]

I'm not criticizing who likes Glocks.....infact the point of my thread was to try the understand the allure of it...

However, on that particular point, you are basically admitting a design limitation...that firing mechanism is not recommended in very small pistols with soft pocket holsters....a DA/SA design can go from full size to pocketable one without particular limitation.....

Some "Glockers" won't even carry a regular one with a soft holster at.....to me that sounds like a limitation.....

That for me is the beauty of a DA/SA platform...it imposes no limitation at all....maximum versatility and a particular stress on security....

The trigger is not going to fire with 2 pounds of force with 1mm of travel on a glock. If its in a holster that covers the trigger guard it's not going to fire because the trigger can't be pressed.

I don't get how you can state that you can carry a sa/da pistol in every way and not risk a ND. Carrying a pistol without a proper holster regardless of the action is foolish and is asking to have a problem such as it falling out. Hopefully it's safties will prevent it from firing. It seems to me that your not comfortable with the way Glocks work vs how you want to carry. That could be fixed with the heavier pull trigger modification. However people have NDed with DA revolvers during holstering, so not even a da/sa pistol is immune.

A heavy da pull that's long is not a safety and shouldn't be relied upon as one. Proper handling, training, and holster The important things.

 

[mark1616]

I didn't get it until I shot/owned one. Now I'm a "fan boy" I guess.

 

[Wanderling]

For anyone concerned with lack of safety on Glocks, there is a self install $50 Siderlock safety kit that's simple, reliable and intuitive to use.

I picked Glock as my first ever gun because it had good reputation, decent price, tons of fans - implying it was at least not a POS - and described on many forums as one of the easiest guns for a beginner to shoot and maintain. Most other reputable guns were much more expensive. If I was buying today knowing what I learned I'd look at XD or S&W M&P but I'd still look at Glock and would still very probably choose it over the rest.

 

[CoRoMo]

Six pages in three days? Who would have thought that would happen?

 

[X-Rap]

The premise of the original question and subsequent post by the OP lead one to believe he had some forgone conclusions.
Anybody with over 25 posts on this site has seen plenty of pro-con Glock threads. The debate isn't so bad but this

I'm not criticizing who likes Glocks.....infact the point of my thread was to try the understand the allure of it...

is a little hard to believe.

 

[saturno_v]

I don't get how you can state that you can carry a sa/da pistol in every way and not risk a ND.

I always carry with a holster......the main difference is trigger travel and, yes, pull weight....

You can make a Glock trigger pull heavier..again it requires modification....

Just pull the trigger of any DA pistol (at least the ones I know, SIG, Beretta, Bersa, S&W) and pull the one of a Glock and you cannot avoid to notice the difference.....

Everything is possible, even a DA design could set off with a bad enough snag...just evidence prove that with Glock is more frequent....not measured scientifically but just google "Glock accidental discharge" and do the same with Beretta or SIG...and look at the results....

This, for example, is much less likely to occur in a DA/SA design (and with safety)

 

[saturno_v]

is a little hard to believe.

It is not hard to believe....because I want to understand what are the preceived advantages over with I personally perceive as serious shortcomings of the platform.....

The purpose of my thread was not to convince me to buy a Glock...I will not do it.....just trying to get the full picture

 

[Cluster Bomb]

i guess its the same way as the opposite feelings about HiPoints.

My father in law is trying to sell his for more comfortable pistols. He eyed my HiPoint when i had one as it was more comfortable and ate ammo better than his Glock.


Its probably just in the name. With addition to some of the "history" backing te Glock. Kinda like Rugers, some people will pay alot to get the ruger they want and will only buy Ruger. WHile others Looooove S&W.

I really dont see the alure of glocks either, their price dont reflect anything warrenting their price or reliability as any other self loading pistol....they all suffer from the same defects, and same positives vs a revolver.

I would rather buy 2 pistols that i like for the price of one Glock with the illusion behind it.

 

[waktasz]

What two guns that don't suck can you get for the price of a Glock?

 

[Cluster Bomb]

Keltec 9mm ($240) and a Ruger .380 ($275)

 

[waktasz]

ok, I guess you're right, but they aren't better than a Glock.

 

[Cluster Bomb]

I would have to disagree. but your entitled to believe what you want. even if its folly.

 

[GregGry]

Poor weapon handling skills and the glock don't mix. Is that a fault of the gun or the operator?

For as many threads that exist for NDs with Glocks (which is one of the most popular handguns thus there are tons of them) there are just as many threads of people NDing other pistols either by decocking manually, or having poor weapon handling skills.

If your here to be convinced that what you believe (Glocks are unsafe) is incorrect, or to figure out why people choose to have them despite (safety) issues there isnt much that can be done. You already made up your mind on the subject and nothing is going to change that.

Even looking at the holster picture you posted shows that the holster is likely not fit properly for that gun. The person also likely holstered the gun without looking to verify it was open so the pistol could slide in. That holster is not a non-collapsible holster that is ment to be drawn out of and reholstered without a significant risk of the sides collapsing (more so when it's concealed). What happened to that glock could happen to any firearm that is tossed into holster without checking. Every gun I own I load, holster outside of body, and then conceal. There is no reason you need Be reholstering for speed with live rounds in a gun. There is no award for the fastest reholsterer, other then a bullet wound.

 

[waktasz]

I would have to disagree. but your entitled to believe what you want. even if its folly.

Now you just sound silly.

I carry a Keltec every day, but in terms of objective quality, the Glock is better. Better molds, better trigger, better machining, better finish. The Keltec is only better because it's small.

 

[Sam1911]

Surely the OP has enough information now to assuage his curiosity about the gun he doesn't want.

Let's put this to bed.