Please tell me if this looks legit...

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by Javelin
Would you like to meet up at the Gun Show in Mesquite this weekend and maybe we can do a FTF there since you live in Ft Worth. I will bring cash or check (your choice) for your G19.

Tell me if this will work.

Thanks!

~Javelin

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Javelin,

I will need your name, address, telephone, Tx DL number and CHL number if you have one for a Bill of Sale that I will provide for us both to sign. It will have my info on it to and you will receive a copy of it also............

(Name being left out due to privacy)

Ok I don't mind showing my DL and CHL. I wouldnt mind if they wrote down my License Plate#. But to have them copy everything thing down seems a bit much.

Is this normal? Handing out all of your personal information to a stranger to buy a privately owned firearm? Am I really supposed to think he is really giving me his real information? Maybe I need to pee in a cup too, or is he waiting for me to show up to pop a surprise UA? Please someone chime in and tell me if this even looks legit.

Thanks.

~Javelin

 

[CTPistol]

I wouldnt give that out.

Id SHOW it to someone FTF, but Im not leaving that info.

 

[eliphalet]

I wouldn't do it, not necessary to be legal here. All I will bring is cash, you bring the gun or not, or vise-versa. All depends on if you want folks to have your personal info or not, I prefer not so won't. You wanna follow me out and get my car license # go for it but thats it.
I might show a DR to prove I am a legal individual but your not taking down my info.
With a dealer it's is a different story.

You look like a druggie, gang member or are covered with cheap prison tats we're not doing any firearm business, if that means I appear to "profile" oh well.

 

[Mainiac]

I don't know what the laws are in your locale, here in Me. a private sale only requires that you prove that you are from the same state to purchase a handgun( federal law.). Just purchased a rifle this week, showe him my DL and he showed me his. I handed him cash and we shook hands and went our separate ways. That's it. Some people can be real anal about paperwork, if they are I just move on. But that's me. Good luck.

 

[Primersinmyshoe]

It would depend. I wouldn't want all that from someone I know, but a stranger is different story. I'd want a good paper trail for the gun sale if I bought or sold from a stranger.

 

[Packman]

If you don't want to provide it to the guy, you don't have to buy his gun. No one is making you buy it.

That said, it's his gun, he can demand whatever he wants for it. But you don't have to agree to his terms.

Me, I wouldn't give it out. In his position, I'd just write something that listed the gun make/model and serial number, saying "i sold this to..." and then have myself and the buyer sign a copy for me and a copy for him. beyond a name, I don't much care about anything else, so long as everything seems aboveboard.

 

[pete f]

When I sell a hang gun in minnesota I try to get someone who has a Carry permit or at least a hunting license, why? because in our state you can not get a hunting license with a felony convictions. I will make a xerox of both, and I do the same and with a blurb about neither to the best of knowledge are engaging in any thing illegal under current law to sell that gun. The hunting license or the P2C will show we made a good faith effort to show we had no knowledge the other was a proscribed individual.

 

[kirkcdl]

I always INSIST on a copy of the buyers/sellers drivers license,and if possible,I also write the vehicle license number on there too.Not because I really care where he lives,or who he is,but if I sell a gun and he robs a store or shoots an innocent with it,I want to be covered.This has happened to me,I unknowingly sold a gun to a felon.Having a signed receipt and a copy of his DL saved me a lot of uncomfortable attention from the local Sheriffs detective,and he was overjoyed that I had it,it made his case easier.

As others have said,it's his gun,and it's your money,you can both do as you please with either one,but if you refused to provide me with the copies I requested,you wouldn't be buying anything from,or selling anything to me.

That said,I do make it clear that the copies I require go in my personal file,and are seen by nobody until and unless I need to cover my butt...

 

[ptmmatssc]

For me , if it's one of my C&R guns , there's documentation for/in my bound book . If it's one of my non C&R guns , I simply ask for DL , make receipt for both parties , and require cash in hand . Normally it isn't even an issue since it is someone I already know who is the purchaser or a member of one of the local gun clubs . No one seems to have a problem with the DL requirement so far .

 

[mbt2001]

Honestly, he is just asking for the CHL and DL number. I can understand asking for the CHL number, frankly. Because you are a CHL holder, you don't have to do the background check. That kind of thing is something that I would prefer to have recorded on a private sale. The sad fact of the matter is that you never know who you are selling things too.

Just IMO.

 

[cyclist]

Yep, sounds like he likes to have a personal paper trail in case anything comes back to him, or in case anything comes from upstream. I know if I have paperwork on a firearm I own then I'd like to have some form of paperwork to show I no longer own it "just in case". My paperwork stays in a fire resistant box with a lock. If I have no paperwork linking me to it then I'd still like to have something from the transaction just to cover my hind end just in case it is a sting or dupe operation of some sort. I won't knowingly sell to someone who isn't supposed to own what I'm selling, and I won't knowingly step outside of the boundaries of a legal sale (aka: canoe to canoe in the middle of a river between states).

His choice to cover his needs and wants, your choice to cover your's. But along those lines if I state that I'd like to see some ID of some sort and the potential buyer or seller starts to get hinkey then a few alert bells start sounding.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

your choice in my case it would be my choice not to sell to you if you found the terms objectionable. too many ways for someone to try to claim i did something illegal to not document as much as i can

 

[Lurp]

I wouldn't feel comfortable giving out my DL number along with my CHL number, but thats just me. It's a lot of personal info and think about how many things you fill out that require your DL number....for me its been a lot and now with all this identity theft stuff I would be more hesitant to give it out.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

your drivers license goes on checks an other things its no secret

 

[AirForceShooter]

I''ll show you my CCW.
I won't sign anything.
If I'm selling I want 2 things. I want to see your CCW and I want cash.

But, thank you for telling me in advance what your requirements are. That way I don't waste our time.

AFS

 

[waterhouse]

It looks legit, whether you want to play by his rules is up to you.

 

[stubob2517]

Unless you're from one of the states that uses your SSN for your DL number I don't think it's that big of a deal. The guys is just trying to cover himself, the same as I would do.

 

[AirForceShooter]

I have never let a store copy my D/L stuff. I'll walk first.

AFS

 

[coyotehitman]

I get a name and OLN any time I sell or buy a gun FTF. This is all LE needs to ID someone and really is not invasive or risky.

 

[waterhouse]

I have never let a store copy my D/L stuff. I'll walk first.

AFS

While this is certainly your right, would you explain why? Are you talking about gun stores? If you buy a gun they will already have your name, address, DL number and expiration date, along with your signature and other information.

I don't copy people's licenses, because it seems like a waste of time and printer ink, but I don't see that I'd be giving anything away by letting a store copy my license. If I wanted a gun it certainly would not cause me to walk away.

If you are talking about the ammo counter at walmart trying to copy your license I understand that.

 

[Zundfolge]

I don't think there's anything sinister going on here. The seller is being overcautious, but I don't blame him in this day and age.

If you want this guy's G19 then you're gonna have to jump through his hoops. The fact that he's being so cautious is a sign that he's probably an honest guy.

When you meet up with him, ask to verify his data as well. If he won't show you his DL, etc to verify that its the same as whats on the BOS then I'd walk.

 

[Geronimo45]

He's probably worried about selling to a criminal. He wants your information down so he can tell the cops, if ever the gun was found at a crime scene: "I sold the gun at this date to this guy. Here's his address and the telephone number." He probably bought it on paper, and wants to make sure he gets rid of it on paper.

 

[buck00]

I will need your name, address, telephone, Tx DL number and CHL number if you have one for a Bill of Sale that I will provide for us both to sign.

This sounds like its 100 percent legit if anything.

Think on the flip side, what if he said "meet me in a back alley, have the money in a paper bag... make sure you aren't followed. Don't look at my face."

Sounds like this guy is more worried about you...

Obviously its your choice, but this guy is in CYA mode big time. He doesn't want to take any chances legally.

 

[Troutman]

The only thing one has to do in Texas. Is to show (ID) that one is not less than 18 years of age. The private seller also can not intend to sell it “knowingly”, “intentionally”.

Check PC 46.06 and 46.07. Unlawful transfer of certain Weapons (handguns).


http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf

To an intoxicated person, felon (felony last 5 years), or one who is under protective order or one who uses it unlawfully or in a unlawful act

To do it “overcautiously” (selling it) the private seller has to do a background check, like a FFL dealer, if the private seller wants to be overcautious.


Sounds like Gun Control.

I would tell the guy. “Hey….Your doing this all wrong. I want YOU to do it properly.

Maybe ALL private sellers should (have to) become FFL dealers, in order to sell their firearms? Maybe all firearm sellers (owners) join the Brady campaign? They can tell us on how to sell a firearm properly.

 

[aaronrkelly]

I wouldnt, like others have said.....you want to SEE my weapons permit or my license, fine - thats OK. Take copies, no.....

Lots of guns to buy, no reason to hand out your info for this one.

When I sell guns it goes the same way, most of the time I merely ASK them if they are legally able to own the firearm - YES and we are good to go.