polish 7.62x25 ammo from J&G
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jonnyc
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I've been very happy with it, both as a shooter and collector. And it is definitely corrosive and Berdan primed.
thanx,jonnyc ?birdmang
I'm going to buy some too (7.62z25 from j&g) . what is the best method, or agood one,to clean the bbl. afterwords? I've been spraying Hoppes down the bbl at the range then at home , brass brush ,liquid hoppes,patches, then patcheswith oil. does anyone think a cz52 is a worthwhile purchase if one already has a tt33?
I'm going to buy some too (7.62z25 from j&g) . what is the best method, or agood one,to clean the bbl. afterwords? I've been spraying Hoppes down the bbl at the range then at home , brass brush ,liquid hoppes,patches, then patcheswith oil. does anyone think a cz52 is a worthwhile purchase if one already has a tt33?
jonnyc
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I spray a bunch of diluted Windex-like stuff, wipe, then some WD-40, and then clean like usual.
I don't think CZ52s are worthwhile at all, especially if you have a TT.
I don't think CZ52s are worthwhile at all, especially if you have a TT.
does anyone usea buffer pad in their tt33? i've comeacross some really hotrounds marked 22 83 on thehead and stoped shooting them after 8rounds thats why i'm going to buy the J&G polish. thanks jonnyc for your opinion on the cz52 I'll save and not buy one.
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The hotter rounds were loaded for the sub machine guns and not meant for use in the pistols. I would be sure the 7.62 ammo you shoot in pistols was loaded to be shot in such
jonnyc
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"The hotter rounds were loaded for the sub machine guns and not meant for use in the pistols."
This is total internet BS that has been disproven multiple times. There is no such thing as Tokarev SMG ammo. Compared to US ammo, all Tokarev ammo is loaded hot, and always has been, even in its older version, 7.63 Mauser. Any 7.62x25 ammo you will find, other than the long-bullet Chinese Subsonic, was made for both pistols and SMGs. The Soviet TT pistol, and its clones, was made to handle whatever the the ammo factory was producing. Some producers packaged it in handy 16 round packets for pistols and others in 70 round boxes handy for SMGs, but it's all the same ammo.
This is total internet BS that has been disproven multiple times. There is no such thing as Tokarev SMG ammo. Compared to US ammo, all Tokarev ammo is loaded hot, and always has been, even in its older version, 7.63 Mauser. Any 7.62x25 ammo you will find, other than the long-bullet Chinese Subsonic, was made for both pistols and SMGs. The Soviet TT pistol, and its clones, was made to handle whatever the the ammo factory was producing. Some producers packaged it in handy 16 round packets for pistols and others in 70 round boxes handy for SMGs, but it's all the same ammo.
jjohnson
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JohnnyC: Why no CZ52?
Okay, just wondering here, why do you come down so hard on the CZ52? I have a couple and think they're interesting, even if they're one of the more ugly surplus handguns on the market.
I don't own a TT. Can you enlighten us why the TTs are so much better? Not giving you a hard time, mind you - just a "straight up" question. I'd have sent you a PM, but figured maybe the answer was worthwhile reading for the other gents on this thread.
Thanks!
Okay, just wondering here, why do you come down so hard on the CZ52? I have a couple and think they're interesting, even if they're one of the more ugly surplus handguns on the market.
I don't own a TT. Can you enlighten us why the TTs are so much better? Not giving you a hard time, mind you - just a "straight up" question. I'd have sent you a PM, but figured maybe the answer was worthwhile reading for the other gents on this thread.
Thanks!
amd6547
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I agree that the Tokarev pistol is superior to the CZ52. It is simple and tough, the Browning design is proven, and the Tokarev itself is combat proven. I owned a CZ52, and found mine to be one of the most disappointing pistols I ever owned, and it was a pistol I had wanted for a long time.
The Tokarev is more compact, thinner, and the ones I have shot have been more reliable and accurate than my CZ52. I would use my Romanian Tokarev for SD...my CZ52 would be my last choice for SD.
To those who have shot both the Polish ammo and the Romanian, how do they compare? My experiance with the Romanian ammo has been 100% positive.
The Tokarev is more compact, thinner, and the ones I have shot have been more reliable and accurate than my CZ52. I would use my Romanian Tokarev for SD...my CZ52 would be my last choice for SD.
To those who have shot both the Polish ammo and the Romanian, how do they compare? My experiance with the Romanian ammo has been 100% positive.
jonnyc
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jj,
I just really dislike CZ52s. I have a TT and my friend has a CZ. We shoot them both fairly often. I find the grip of the CZ too long front to back, the trigger is horrible and tough to shoot accurately, it is too tall below the sights and I find myself looking into the back of the trigger, and last but not least...I think it's too big and ugly. These are my personal observations. If you're only planning to have one 7.62x25 pistol, get a TT.
I just really dislike CZ52s. I have a TT and my friend has a CZ. We shoot them both fairly often. I find the grip of the CZ too long front to back, the trigger is horrible and tough to shoot accurately, it is too tall below the sights and I find myself looking into the back of the trigger, and last but not least...I think it's too big and ugly. These are my personal observations. If you're only planning to have one 7.62x25 pistol, get a TT.
jjohnson
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johnnyc
But.... other than that, what's wrong with 'em?
Yeah, they ARE so ugly they could have been made by Enfield.
The TT just doesn't look a lot more ergonomic than the CZ to me. Neither one of them have exactly what you'd call classic graceful lines. I understand that the TT will take much higher pressures, or, put another way, it is by far the stronger one of the two.
The thing I like best about the CZ is that when I have people hanging around me too close at the range I can pull out the CZ and start firing...and they back away
But.... other than that, what's wrong with 'em?
Yeah, they ARE so ugly they could have been made by Enfield.
The TT just doesn't look a lot more ergonomic than the CZ to me. Neither one of them have exactly what you'd call classic graceful lines. I understand that the TT will take much higher pressures, or, put another way, it is by far the stronger one of the two.
The thing I like best about the CZ is that when I have people hanging around me too close at the range I can pull out the CZ and start firing...and they back away
jonnyc
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Those fireballs are something! I had my TT out a few weeks ago with some pre-WWII Soviet ammo. It all went BANG, with a healthy recoil and a huge fireball. Lots of fun! I think I should chrono some of that pre-war and compare it to Czech post-war. I bet they'll spec out pretty close.
amd6547
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I read threads where people complain about the Tokarev grip all the time...It dosn't bother me at all. In fact, the more I handle and shoot it, the better it feels.
Bigdtc
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CZ52 Rulez
amd6547
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In your fantasy world, perhapz.
cougar1717
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From personal experience, I can attest that the SMG 7.62x25 ammo is a real issue. I bought some Bulgarian 50's surplus ammo to use in a CZ-52. I shot a total of one cartridge before it jammed so tight that I had to get a gunsmith to hammer the slide open with a live round partially chambered. Pistol ammo will freely fit in the chamber with a slight amount of wiggle room. SMG ammo will not fully chamber in a CZ-52. For those who might argue that it was only that one cartridge that was out of spec, I can assure you that the ones that did chamber were in the minority.
outerlimit
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I had two unissued CZ-52's several years ago and I wasn't happy with either of them. They both developed mechanical problems after 200rds of S&B (one less than 100rd) and I ended up getting rid of them for cheap. There is also the issue with the chamber wall being very thin for the roller cut outs.
But the Tok's are so damn ugly!
But the Tok's are so damn ugly!
jonnyc
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Cougar, you posted this on another thread...it's still untrue.
"I would stay away from Bulgarian surplus since what I received was SMG ammo. While still advertised as "7.62x25", some ammo was made for Ppsh sub machine guns and can sieze up your slide since some rounds chamber and others are dimensionally too large to chamber in the CZ-52."
This is absolutely incorrect. There is NO SUCH THING AS TOKAREV SMG AMMO. That is a total myth. If you read East Bloc literature and the box and packet labels, and study the history of the cartridge, you will be as sure as I am. For example, your Bulgarian ammo came in 16 round packets, unless it was rebagged at some point in the US. The packet is for two TT mags. The 70 round boxes, usually marked for the TT PISTOL CARTRIDGE, are more convenient for a 70 round mag (or 2x35), but meant also for pistols. After 1940, I believe, all Soviet Tokarev ammo came in 70 round boxes, for both pistols and SMGs.
"I would stay away from Bulgarian surplus since what I received was SMG ammo. While still advertised as "7.62x25", some ammo was made for Ppsh sub machine guns and can sieze up your slide since some rounds chamber and others are dimensionally too large to chamber in the CZ-52."
This is absolutely incorrect. There is NO SUCH THING AS TOKAREV SMG AMMO. That is a total myth. If you read East Bloc literature and the box and packet labels, and study the history of the cartridge, you will be as sure as I am. For example, your Bulgarian ammo came in 16 round packets, unless it was rebagged at some point in the US. The packet is for two TT mags. The 70 round boxes, usually marked for the TT PISTOL CARTRIDGE, are more convenient for a 70 round mag (or 2x35), but meant also for pistols. After 1940, I believe, all Soviet Tokarev ammo came in 70 round boxes, for both pistols and SMGs.
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