Neckshot5seven
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They hand fit the slide to the frame at the factory, there is no peening, It is a standard barrell with a 1 piece guide rod lockup is tight
PT1911 spare the flames please
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Neckshot5seven
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sure, if that was your thing. How custom do you want to go. All mainstream parts fit the gun, the sky is the limit. Cant go wrong with a forged frame.
Neckshot5seven
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Oh Rellascout if you want to compare guns to cars here ya go...
If you remimber 1986 then your Vette should be very afraid of this. Do you know what a Buick GN is? This Taurus is the Buick Grand National of guns. It spanked the Vette for a lot less money.
If you remimber 1986 then your Vette should be very afraid of this. Do you know what a Buick GN is? This Taurus is the Buick Grand National of guns. It spanked the Vette for a lot less money.
rellascout
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Who is talking about Vettes? I am not sure where you pulled that one from? YOUR Vette??????????
The Taurus is not even close to that comparison. Not that the Vette is a epitome of cars. Its fine if you want to go fast on a straight line.
In the end the Taurus us a basic gun with pretty extras that are not well made and therefore keep it on the low end of guns. I would not use it as a base gun. You posed a question sorry you don't like my answer but you still have not given me any proof that I should change my impression of the gun.
A Norinco or even RIA are cheaper and if you are going to strip out all the parts the value of the Taurus goes down even further.
Old Dog
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Why would anyone want to use the PT-1911 as a base gun? It was marketed as an entry-level 1911 with all of the typical features of a custom gun.
Has this thread simply devolved into (a) gun snobbery (Colts are better) or (b) MIM parts suck? That's where we seem to be now.
rellascout
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No someone asked if it you would use it as a base for a custom build and I stated clearly no. Did you skip that post? There is nothing snobbish about saying that a Colt is a better gun then a Taurus. Its not about the name on the gun its what went into making it before the roll-mark. 
MCgunner
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For that price, it comes with the farkles that I'd want. I have not had great luck with cheap 1911s in the past, a Auto Ordinance and an AMT 5" hardballer, and gave up on them, but the PT1911 seems to be getting some good reports. Thanks for this one. I'm watching 'em, still don't think I wanna be a 1911 guy anymore, but I might want one, never know.
Technosavant
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I don't know that I'd do that. The frame and slide are likely good enough, but it already has the features you'd add. Besides, I find the aesthetics somewhat wanting (compared to the rollmarks on a Springfield Milspec). If you want a base gun for a project, I'd recommend a SA GI or MilSpec, and then just build it up from there. You'd start out at the same price, and the only things the PT1911 will have that a Milspec won't (all the other parts would get swapped) would be the slide is already cut for Heinie sights and the front strap is already checkered.
My view on the PT1911 is still unchanged, even after numerous threads on numerous boards. It's a good low priced full featured 1911. If the internal MIM parts prove themselves untrustworthy, the rest of it shoots well enough that swapping the internals out isn't an issue. My guns aren't investments, they're for shooting. The PT1911 does that plenty well enough. There's better guns, but there's also worse ones. At the $500-600 range, it is a "must see" if you are shopping 1911s.
Actually Kias and Hyundai lately are very good cars with top notch quality control...
I trust more the reliability of a Korean car than any American car manufacturers, including Cadillac....yes I'm serious....
You actually don't know if you make it to the store with a Neon..I saw these "things" literally self destruct..
Chrysler is the Jennings/Bryco of the automotive world....
rellascout
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Kia's are the perfect analogy to the Taurus. That is why I used it. They are doing very well in the up to 3 year JD Power surveys but after that 3rd year they get much shakier. They start to rattle and the lack of quality in the materials and the build of the car start to show.
Sounds like the Taurus to me.
Sounds like the Taurus to me.
Neckshot5seven
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This thread has turned into what i did not want to see, but hea that is what boards are about. I would consider the Taurus PT1911 a Buick GN, not a KIA.
Kia & Hyundai were the first in the industry years ago to offer 5 years bumper to bumper and 10 years powertrain warranty..means they are sure about their product....the got their act together, something certain car manufacturers never do (see Chrysler)
I know several owners of relatively recent Korean cars that have long passed the 3 years mark and no rattle at all and could nto be more happy with it...
One of them had 3 road accidents (he is a bad driver
) and still no rattles.I had to get rid of my Chrysler 300 at a car auction because I could not sell that POS directly to someone in good faith looking the other person in the eyes.
If a Kia start to rattle at 3 years, your typical American car start to self-destruct at 2....
I apologize for the off-topic
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I absolutely love my PT1911. I have replaced the ambisafety with a Wilson and it functions flawlessly. I have had it for a month + and I have already put about 900 rounds through it, and if the weather stays nice it will get another 100-300 rounds through it this week. It has fired every thing I have put through it with ZERO problems. I trust it so much that it is my primary carry gun.
rellascout
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And you are 100% entitled to that opinion. Why am I not entitled to mine? You issued the challenge and people like me answered it now you are complaining that your thread did not go the way you wanted it.
Did you or did you not end your post with the following statement?:
I cannot believe you would make this statement and then be surprised that people disagreed with you. If you want a have a love fest over the Taurus have at it but you set yourself up for failure on this thread.
Supernut did you notice he has not answered your question with any names. Try to call Wlison, Novak, Jim West, Clyinder & Slide, Kevin Greely etc... and tell them you want to build a custom pistol on a Taurus. See what they say. He has avoided it and instead wants to cry foul. Personally I think the Taurus gets bashed because the product is inconsistent and because people like the OP want to make it out to be more than it is. I mean did anyone even look at the detailed video that was linked to earlier in the long set of links. I wish I had a $$$ for every time the guy said its pretty "good for the money". Taurus wants to compare it to $2000 pistols. It is not even close.
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Yeah, but I'm also purposely asking a bit of an unfair question.
We all see the forged vs. cast threads on THR constantly. So here we have a forged frame 1911 for almost peanuts. Is it worse/equal/better than a Caspian cast frame? If we are only concerned about quality, does it matter what roll-mark is on the slide?
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No not at at all. I personally like used Colts for base guns. You can find them for $500 and do what you want to them.
I also love Norks for custom builds. They are built like tanks are 100% to spec even if they are rough inside. They are extremely hard steel and you are not over spending on parts you are not going to use.
If you are going with a complete custom gun I think Caspain is a good place to start. Kind of like this:
The Gun
* Caspian Carbon Steel Frame and Slide
* Caspian Bo-Mar style rear sight
* Red Fiber Optic Front Sight
* Bar-Sto Precision Machine 40S&W Bull Barrel
* EGW Magwell
* Built by USPSA Member Kevin Greeley in Marshall, VA.
This one cost me $10.
I also love Norks for custom builds. They are built like tanks are 100% to spec even if they are rough inside. They are extremely hard steel and you are not over spending on parts you are not going to use.
If you are going with a complete custom gun I think Caspain is a good place to start. Kind of like this:
The Gun
* Caspian Carbon Steel Frame and Slide
* Caspian Bo-Mar style rear sight
* Red Fiber Optic Front Sight
* Bar-Sto Precision Machine 40S&W Bull Barrel
* EGW Magwell
* Built by USPSA Member Kevin Greeley in Marshall, VA.
This one cost me $10.
I've had my PT1911 for over a year now, have put over 2000 rounds through it, and it hasn't hiccupped once. FMJ, JHP, LSWC - doesn't matter - it eats anything.
My previous 1911 was a Colt Lightweight Commander. I like the Taurus better.
YMMV.
My previous 1911 was a Colt Lightweight Commander. I like the Taurus better.
YMMV.
Old Dog
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Sucked back into this thread, only because it's about 1911s ... I have no dog in this fight, because the PT-1911 is one of the few 1911s I don't own, but rellascout, I don't think Taurus was comparing its 1911 to $2000 custom guns, only saying that their pistol had all the features on it, found normally on more expensive guns. As I said before, I believe the pistol was marketed NOT to compete with $2000 pistols, but to provide an entry-level 1911 with additional features for the first-time 1911-buyer or someone who desires the extras, but can't pony up 2 or 3 grand for a semi-custom or a custom-build.
Nothing wrong with a good lovefest for a value gun. Hey, where's a good Bersa thread when you need one?
Now comes the Kia BS again? Hey, I bought a new Sportage EX for the daughter for a grad present in 2001 -- nicer leather seats that those on on my Tahoe, by the way -- but the doggone Kia still looks good, runs good, no problems in seven years.
For the record, I like my Colts stock, but for a custom gun, give me that good ol' Brazilian steel anytime ... the Springfield Armory/IMBEL.
Nothing wrong with a good lovefest for a value gun. Hey, where's a good Bersa thread when you need one?
Now comes the Kia BS again? Hey, I bought a new Sportage EX for the daughter for a grad present in 2001 -- nicer leather seats that those on on my Tahoe, by the way -- but the doggone Kia still looks good, runs good, no problems in seven years.
For the record, I like my Colts stock, but for a custom gun, give me that good ol' Brazilian steel anytime ... the Springfield Armory/IMBEL.
I picked up a Kel-tek pf9 a few months back, and the guy at the gun shop showed me the taurus, it looked a bit too flashy for me, and upon a general, visual examination, I decided against it. I own a Taurus revolver, so I have no bias, and I am in the market for a 1911, as I swapped mine about 6 months back, and regret it now. the reason I turned it down, "other than the price", I didn't like the feel, or the name all over the slide, it looked flashy, you know when you just get a feeling about something. By the way I have owned many Corvetts, My Porshes were better cars, over priced, but better. And my Ferrari was more expensive yet, but sucked, so the logic on comparing vechicles isn't appripriate.
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RIA Tactical. Got mine for $450 and it out shoots and out patterns my fathers Taurus 1911.
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