El Tejon
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Sounds like end of shift or just a bad day. Sloppy gun handling would concern me more than his `tude. Glad you are O.K.
Pulled over while friend was driving
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Jesse H
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Thanks for the replies,
Buddy and I weren't really upset, just more blown away about the bad attitude recieved. My friend thought about wishing him a Merry Christmas but decided against it. We'll just learn to drive at the posted speed when cutting thru La Grange.
The Trooper's gun handling skills weren't bad per-say, but leaving a gun with one in the pipe within reach of a minor is obviously a bad move for him. I know if I were in his shoes and felt the need to disarm someone, I sure as heck wouldn't return the somewhat loaded gun to the passengers.
I understand LEO aren't expected to have customer service skills, but this guy was flat out having a bad day or didn't like CHLers despite my buddy being cordial.
Happy new years all.
Buddy and I weren't really upset, just more blown away about the bad attitude recieved. My friend thought about wishing him a Merry Christmas but decided against it. We'll just learn to drive at the posted speed when cutting thru La Grange.
The Trooper's gun handling skills weren't bad per-say, but leaving a gun with one in the pipe within reach of a minor is obviously a bad move for him. I know if I were in his shoes and felt the need to disarm someone, I sure as heck wouldn't return the somewhat loaded gun to the passengers.
I understand LEO aren't expected to have customer service skills, but this guy was flat out having a bad day or didn't like CHLers despite my buddy being cordial.
Happy new years all.
"I don't think the trooper is required to be nice and polite."
I disagree; he doesn't have to be nice but there's no reason not to be polite. And that goes for whether the person being stopped is clean cut or disheveled with snot hanging out of his nose; in this scenario, e.g. routine traffic stop. In a more tense scenario, I would understand and appreciate a less than courteous encounter. IMHO.
I disagree; he doesn't have to be nice but there's no reason not to be polite. And that goes for whether the person being stopped is clean cut or disheveled with snot hanging out of his nose; in this scenario, e.g. routine traffic stop. In a more tense scenario, I would understand and appreciate a less than courteous encounter. IMHO.
SoDFW Jason
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I had the pleasure of meeting and receiving training from Sgt.s Butz and Coleman at the TX DPS headquarters. These two guys do the firearms training for all the new Troopers.
I can tell you both of these guys are VERY pro-CHL and they do try to teach other Troo[pers to be the same way. I guess the Trooper that pulled you over was just one that they missed. Out of all LEOs in TX, you should get the least hassle from these guys.
I had the pleasure of meeting and receiving training from Sgt.s Butz and Coleman at the TX DPS headquarters. These two guys do the firearms training for all the new Troopers.
I can tell you both of these guys are VERY pro-CHL and they do try to teach other Troo[pers to be the same way. I guess the Trooper that pulled you over was just one that they missed. Out of all LEOs in TX, you should get the least hassle from these guys.
Deadhand
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As far as running the s/n, that's common procedure with most departments, but putting a loaded firearm back into the car with unidentified subjects is just plain lousy officer safety! Here in California, there are very few folks with CCW permits, and when an officer has contact with one that does, it can be a tense situation. Even off-duty officers can be hassled by LEOs of other jurisdictions. I was pulled over by a California Highway Patrol officer several years ago. When I pulled my license out of my badge wallet, he asked, " are you packing?" I said I wasn't, but he insisted on checking anyway. I won't get into the "probable cause" questions here, but, needless to say, I was pissed. I talked to his sgt. and made my feelings known. I got a letter some time later explaining the disciplinary actions taken.
My own experiences are similar to cordex's.
But a buddy of mine had an officer relieve him of a Star PD and do the same thing, drop the mag, drop the safety and leave a round in the chamber. I know that officer got his butt reamed thoroughly after the incident was reported (it was a cop's kid that this was done to, oops).
But a buddy of mine had an officer relieve him of a Star PD and do the same thing, drop the mag, drop the safety and leave a round in the chamber. I know that officer got his butt reamed thoroughly after the incident was reported (it was a cop's kid that this was done to, oops).
Why would you post a thread like this, you are making a big deal out nothin.
Not being a cop, I can only imagine what goes through an officers mind, when making a stop.
Each and every time, a stop could turn into a life ending situation, for the cop or the citizen.
It's a fact that cops live with.
In no way, am I defending piss poor police work, or gun handling. But, you don't know where that cop had been earlier. He could have just handled a domestic, where kids were involved.
From what I understand, domestics really messes with a cops head.
If you carry, and get pulled over, then you should have already prepared for whatever attitude the oficer had. You aint the only one who has been pulled over, and been treated poorly.
I have carried for over 25 years, with many different types of firearms in the vehicle.
Been stopped many times, with no problems, and I don't have a CCW (slave permisson slip).
The first thing I do, is let them know I am armed,
sometimes the cops check the weapon, and sometimes they don't. I have learned to expect it, and deal with it on a stop to stop basis.
I suggest for those who in the future, who may get pulled over, to deal with it, and quit your whining.
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waterdog
Not being a cop, I can only imagine what goes through an officers mind, when making a stop.
Each and every time, a stop could turn into a life ending situation, for the cop or the citizen.
It's a fact that cops live with.
In no way, am I defending piss poor police work, or gun handling. But, you don't know where that cop had been earlier. He could have just handled a domestic, where kids were involved.
From what I understand, domestics really messes with a cops head.
If you carry, and get pulled over, then you should have already prepared for whatever attitude the oficer had. You aint the only one who has been pulled over, and been treated poorly.
I have carried for over 25 years, with many different types of firearms in the vehicle.
Been stopped many times, with no problems, and I don't have a CCW (slave permisson slip).
The first thing I do, is let them know I am armed,
sometimes the cops check the weapon, and sometimes they don't. I have learned to expect it, and deal with it on a stop to stop basis.
I suggest for those who in the future, who may get pulled over, to deal with it, and quit your whining.
IMO
waterdog
El Rojo
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I pretty much had my first traffic stop contact with an office while armed the other day. I was helping a friend move and as we pulled up in front of his old house, I told him to pull up further so we didn't have to walk as far. He wasn't listening to me. I told him again. He shut off the truck. He was getting out. So I said, "Nevermind" got out and right behind us was a Taft PD officer. Oh! No wonder he wasn't pulling forward. The officer was really nice, warned him about PRK rolling stops (The California Rolling Stop), extremely nice, didn't write a ticket. I just stood there with my hands in plain view, then leaned against the truck with my hands over the side and my pistol pressed into the truck. He started to leave, I asked him his name, he told me, then I replied very friendly, "Thanks Officer Bilby". I just wanted to know his name so I could say I liked that officer. I hope he wasn't thinking I was mad or anything, but oh well.
Yes that was my first encounter with LEO while armed where they were some how doing something other than PR. He never had a clue I was armed. Why volunteer info if you don't have too?
As far as the Texas situation. Oh well. He could have done a better job. Really the only person in harms way there was the officer. The only reason I would be interested in bringing it up at all with the agency is to maybe make that officer more aware of his own safety and liablity. Sounds to me like your crew was never in danger. Not all officer are as tactically sound as we are!!!
Yes that was my first encounter with LEO while armed where they were some how doing something other than PR. He never had a clue I was armed. Why volunteer info if you don't have too?
As far as the Texas situation. Oh well. He could have done a better job. Really the only person in harms way there was the officer. The only reason I would be interested in bringing it up at all with the agency is to maybe make that officer more aware of his own safety and liablity. Sounds to me like your crew was never in danger. Not all officer are as tactically sound as we are!!!
Kobun
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Cops and gun handeling...
Had a friend who saw a cop with an MP-5 (was some public event with some "importants"
visiting town) standing still with a bunch of kids running around his legs.
Finger on the trigger! (Gun on safe though)...
My friend drove up next to him: "Psst! Do you think it is vice to have your finger on the trigger with all the kids around you??"
The cops finger went "spoing" as it went streight.
Had a friend who saw a cop with an MP-5 (was some public event with some "importants"
visiting town) standing still with a bunch of kids running around his legs.Finger on the trigger!
(Gun on safe though)...My friend drove up next to him: "Psst! Do you think it is vice to have your finger on the trigger with all the kids around you??"
The cops finger went "spoing" as it went streight.
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Deputy Vaughn wrote:
Amen, brother. You sound like my old partner: straight up and good to work with.
Amen, brother. You sound like my old partner: straight up and good to work with.
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