Question for Glock People
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New glocks do have the cut away and its to aid in ripping the mags out of the gun. The Glock 21 and 20 do not have the cut away. Its a worthwhile feature as most Glock mags become non drop free at least up here in the sandy enviroment we have they do.
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C. H. Luke
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"I've heard that occasionally some stick even when empty, but that is the exception rather than the rule."
This is not really true either.
A good number of years ago have talked over the "NDF" problem with both Chris Edwards and the Head of their Warranty Dept in Smyrna, plus also in person at GSSF Matches. It even happens with their "Drop-free" 9mm and .45 mags. {Scuffed magwells are part of the deal if one shoots any amount at all}
There is an IDPA, IPSC, etc. Match to be shot around this neck of the woods every weekend in the Summer. Almost never fail to see someone have to shake or rip an empty from a {full-sz.} Glock during a Match while performing a speed-load.
This is not really true either.
A good number of years ago have talked over the "NDF" problem with both Chris Edwards and the Head of their Warranty Dept in Smyrna, plus also in person at GSSF Matches. It even happens with their "Drop-free" 9mm and .45 mags. {Scuffed magwells are part of the deal if one shoots any amount at all}
There is an IDPA, IPSC, etc. Match to be shot around this neck of the woods every weekend in the Summer. Almost never fail to see someone have to shake or rip an empty from a {full-sz.} Glock during a Match while performing a speed-load.
I've heard the "Full or partially full mags stick intentionally at the request of the Austrian Army" thing for years, but have yet to see one official quote or bid specification to show this is not an urban legend or "after the fact" discovered engineering advantage 
Anyone have real proof this was intentional? if so are the replacment mags for the Austrian armed forces the old style instead of the newer "drop free" versions???
Anyone have real proof this was intentional? if so are the replacment mags for the Austrian armed forces the old style instead of the newer "drop free" versions???
Well, I'm not really trying to convince you. I was just setting the record straight for people who might be reading the thread and didn't know the facts. I provided an authoritative link to support what I said and anyone with access to internet search can find a good many more links that say the same thing.
You say you have magazines that you say characterize as "sprung" and "scuffed" and say your magwell is scuffed too. It doesn't surprise me in the least that your mags stick. In fact, I can think of other gun/mag combinations would have similar problems given those kind of conditions (sprung mags and scuffed mags & magwell). Perhaps, your mags are worn out and should be replaced, but at any rate, I'd say that your personal experience with what you characterize as very well used and perhaps abused mags have, at best, limited bearing on the general situation.
BTW, I'm curious, are you the same Cool Hand Luke who posts (or used to post) on Assaultweb?
Given that you're going against what has been common knowledge for a lot of years now, it seems logical that you should supply the proof.
Given that you're going against what has been common knowledge for a lot of years now, it seems logical that you should supply the proof.
Thier is no way to prove a negative, for example say I spent the next 55 years searching 99.995% of the internet, and 99.9996% of every Austrian Millitary records since 1804, but could not find it. Would that prove it did not exist???
I don't play big foot/Loch Ness monster logic
Common knowledge or not, till I see something valid it's just another suburban commando myth.
Thier is no way to prove a negative, for example say I spent the next 55 years searching 99.995% of the internet, and 99.9996% of every Austrian Millitary records since 1804, but could not find it. Would that prove it did not exist???
I don't play big foot/Loch Ness monster logic
Common knowledge or not, till I see something valid it's just another suburban commando myth.
Surely you jest!
You have provided zero evidence to support your premise. Not only that, you haven't even provided so much as a shred of evidence that calls the current common knowledge into question.
Until you at least TRY to make your premise into more than mere personal speculation, you're going to have to find someone a lot more easygoing than I am to task for your personal research projects.
Believe what you want, but don't pretend that you're doing anything more than speculating unless you're willing to provide something more concrete than your own idle musings to back up your premise.
You came up with an idea without any supporting evidence and said that until anyone could provide "valid" (you get to decide what valid is, I take it) evidence that you would continue to believe that the accepted view was a myth.
Zero supporting evidence.
Zero evidence calling the current view into question.
Zero evidence = speculation.
Zero supporting evidence.
Zero evidence calling the current view into question.
Zero evidence = speculation.
Prior to then...not much, but someone *could* say "well that spec was written well before the test actually took place."
Although John my not belive me I don't have a firm opinion on this one way or the other. It's just that I've heard the same line about the Austrian Army requiring this dozens of times. Each time I've asked if anyone had a copy of the bid proposal or required specifications to confirm it...utter silence.
I'm just putting this in the suspicouis category for now till I see different. Being from Missouri if you make a claim don't be surprised or insulted at my response
Although John my not belive me I don't have a firm opinion on this one way or the other. It's just that I've heard the same line about the Austrian Army requiring this dozens of times. Each time I've asked if anyone had a copy of the bid proposal or required specifications to confirm it...utter silence.
I'm just putting this in the suspicouis category for now till I see different. Being from Missouri if you make a claim don't be surprised or insulted at my response
C. H. Luke
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"I'd say that your personal experience with what you characterize as very well used and perhaps abused mags have, at best, limited bearing on the general situation.
BTW, I'm curious, are you the same Cool Hand Luke who posts (or used to post) on Assaultweb?"
So that's what this has been about. You have an agenda with someone else! {Sounds like an Axe to grind too, from the above}
Don't know anything about "Assaultweb", never looked at it or knew of it, much less posted anything on it using any handle, including the one am using here.
No more time to indulge in this nonproductive, ego driven, emotionally negative stuff either....
"Do some research. I'm not guessing or repeating what I've heard--I own a bunch of non-drop free mags."
BTW, I'm curious, are you the same Cool Hand Luke who posts (or used to post) on Assaultweb?"
So that's what this has been about. You have an agenda with someone else! {Sounds like an Axe to grind too, from the above}
Don't know anything about "Assaultweb", never looked at it or knew of it, much less posted anything on it using any handle, including the one am using here.
No more time to indulge in this nonproductive, ego driven, emotionally negative stuff either....
"Do some research. I'm not guessing or repeating what I've heard--I own a bunch of non-drop free mags."
No agenda. Besides the name, you two share other characteristics--I was curious.
Right! We're all here because of our lack of time and busy schedules!
Nope, sorry, I was just setting the record straight. Sorry if I sprung or scuffed you in the process.
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