cheygriz
member
Why don't we just all quit the NRA, and then the whiners can find something else to whine about when the government confiscates all of our guns?
Quit the NRA?
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Chris Rhines
Member
Do you really think that joining or quitting the NRA is going to have any effect at all on whether or not the government confsciates all our guns?
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Jim March
Member
Ya, it does make a difference. A little, anyways.
Part of the NRA "gameplan" is to always appear to be an 800lb Gorilla of politics. It scares enemies, and keeps wobbler allies in line. Membership numbers are a large part of that.
Part of the NRA "gameplan" is to always appear to be an 800lb Gorilla of politics. It scares enemies, and keeps wobbler allies in line. Membership numbers are a large part of that.
Hkmp5sd
Member
In stead of quitting the NRA...
what needs to happen is the voting members take control of the NRA and straighten out the problems. Instead of paying the membership dues, reading the magazine and doing nothing else, get these people educated and in the fight.
what needs to happen is the voting members take control of the NRA and straighten out the problems. Instead of paying the membership dues, reading the magazine and doing nothing else, get these people educated and in the fight.
Wil Terry
Member
I AM WITH CHEYGRIZ ON THIS ONE TILL THE BITTER END!!!
BY THE LOOKS OF IT YOU WHINING WHELPS AIN'T GOT CLUE ONE ON HOW THE NRA HAS FOUGHT TOOTH AND TOENAIL SINCE THE 1920'S FOR YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. WERE IT NOT FOR THE NRA NONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE A GUN TODAY TO EVEN TALK ABOUT HERE AND THE MOVEMENT TO TAKE THEM ALL AWAY FROM YOU STARTED IN THE 1920'S AND WAS IN FULL FORCE BEFORE 1940. AFTER A PAUSE FOR WWII IT STARTED UP AGAIN AND HAS NEVER QUIT.
GO AHEAD YOU LAZY CHEAP SO N' SO'S AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DO ALL THE FIGHTING AND PAY ALL THE BILLS WHILE YOU SET ON YOUR LAZY IGNORENT *** AND DO NOTHING. WHEN THE GOOD GUYS WIN YOU'LL BE THE FIST TO JUMP UP AND HOLLER " HOORAY WE WON!!!! "
I CAN HARDLY STAND THE SIGHT OF WHINING NINCOMEPOOPS LIKE YOU. BUT THEN AGAIN THE LIBERTIES WON STARTING IN 1776 WERE SECURED BY LESS THAN 1/3 OF THE COLONISTS; 2/3'RDS OF 'EM WHINED THE WHOLE TIME ABOUT LOOSING A KING WHO COULD RUN THEIR LIFE SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THE MOST SIMPLE OF DECISIONS.
CAPS INTENTIONAL!!!!
BY THE LOOKS OF IT YOU WHINING WHELPS AIN'T GOT CLUE ONE ON HOW THE NRA HAS FOUGHT TOOTH AND TOENAIL SINCE THE 1920'S FOR YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. WERE IT NOT FOR THE NRA NONE OF YOU WOULD HAVE A GUN TODAY TO EVEN TALK ABOUT HERE AND THE MOVEMENT TO TAKE THEM ALL AWAY FROM YOU STARTED IN THE 1920'S AND WAS IN FULL FORCE BEFORE 1940. AFTER A PAUSE FOR WWII IT STARTED UP AGAIN AND HAS NEVER QUIT.
GO AHEAD YOU LAZY CHEAP SO N' SO'S AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DO ALL THE FIGHTING AND PAY ALL THE BILLS WHILE YOU SET ON YOUR LAZY IGNORENT *** AND DO NOTHING. WHEN THE GOOD GUYS WIN YOU'LL BE THE FIST TO JUMP UP AND HOLLER " HOORAY WE WON!!!! "
I CAN HARDLY STAND THE SIGHT OF WHINING NINCOMEPOOPS LIKE YOU. BUT THEN AGAIN THE LIBERTIES WON STARTING IN 1776 WERE SECURED BY LESS THAN 1/3 OF THE COLONISTS; 2/3'RDS OF 'EM WHINED THE WHOLE TIME ABOUT LOOSING A KING WHO COULD RUN THEIR LIFE SO THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO MAKE THE MOST SIMPLE OF DECISIONS.
CAPS INTENTIONAL!!!!
JohnBT
Member
I'm not quitting nothing, especially the NRA.
I might start getting really grouchy with the whiners though - I mean they act like $35 once a year is going to kill them. Geez.
They want an organization to be perfect (insert sound of child stomping foot repeatedly) and then take their measly $35 bucks and run home to pout. Cancel the dern HBO and blow $35 that might just do some good for something they claim to care about.
We'd rather have them with us, but life goes on without them.
And to the defeatists in the crowd...we don't need to hear what you're thinking either.
The fight continues while you go on with your boo-hoo, boo-hoo, woe is us nonsense.
John
I might start getting really grouchy with the whiners though - I mean they act like $35 once a year is going to kill them. Geez.
They want an organization to be perfect (insert sound of child stomping foot repeatedly) and then take their measly $35 bucks and run home to pout. Cancel the dern HBO and blow $35 that might just do some good for something they claim to care about.
We'd rather have them with us, but life goes on without them.
And to the defeatists in the crowd...we don't need to hear what you're thinking either.
The fight continues while you go on with your boo-hoo, boo-hoo, woe is us nonsense.
John
rock jock
Member
I'm with Jim on this. I don't like some of the compromises the NRA makes, but we would all be in deep doo-doo by now if it were't for the NRA flexing its muscle on Capitol Hill. Politicians figure that for every member of a special interest group, there are probably 10 more that share their views but are not members. 4 million members tranlates into 40 million shared views.
ralphtt
Member
I don't agree with every move made by the NRA either, but when all is said & done, they are the best bet to insure we are able to enjoy the shooting sports; and I will continue to support the NRA.
IMHO, those who do NOT support the NRA but who profess to be gunowners and enjoy the shooting sports are playing on borrowed time.
YMMV :banghead:
regards . . .
IMHO, those who do NOT support the NRA but who profess to be gunowners and enjoy the shooting sports are playing on borrowed time.
YMMV :banghead:
regards . . .
Carlos
Member
They are a necessary "Evil". I'll maintain my membership for life.
P12
Member
TERRY MURBACH
Why don't you tell us how you really feel!
By the way I agree with you.
I'll be a Life Member as soon as I can afford it. And more orgs than just the NRA.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel!
By the way I agree with you.
I'll be a Life Member as soon as I can afford it. And more orgs than just the NRA.
Shooter 2.5
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I'm on two other web sites and I'm tired of defending the NRA. I'm going to stop.
Anyone has a problem with the NRA, don't let the door hit you in the *ss.
Just go ahead and pick up the slack when The NRA goes back to being a target shooting club.
Anyone has a problem with the NRA, don't let the door hit you in the *ss.
Just go ahead and pick up the slack when The NRA goes back to being a target shooting club.
Chris Rhines
Member
I'm gonna assume that you were addressing me, Terry. If not, my apologies.
Now I am an NRA member and I have been for some time. Part of the reason for that is what Jim said; they manage to do some good. Particularly in the area of competition and safety training, which I don't mind paying for. Also, my shooting club requires NRA membership to join, so I'm not planning on quitting anytime soon.
But, let's not gloss over the failings, because they exist and they shouldn't. I'd rather see a tight, well-run, legislator-bribing, butt-kicking, name-taking NRA with 2 million members than a subcompetent one with 4 mil. If we can't vote with our ballots, we're going to have to vote by other means. The wallet is one of those means.
More later.
- Chris
Right. They've sure done a fine job, haven't they? I'm not going to go through a point-by-point list of all the NRA's screwups, compromises, surrenders, and instances of abject cowardace, but the, I don't have to. Even a casual knowledge of the facts shows that the NRA is badly mismanaged.
Talk.
Now I am an NRA member and I have been for some time. Part of the reason for that is what Jim said; they manage to do some good. Particularly in the area of competition and safety training, which I don't mind paying for. Also, my shooting club requires NRA membership to join, so I'm not planning on quitting anytime soon.
But, let's not gloss over the failings, because they exist and they shouldn't. I'd rather see a tight, well-run, legislator-bribing, butt-kicking, name-taking NRA with 2 million members than a subcompetent one with 4 mil. If we can't vote with our ballots, we're going to have to vote by other means. The wallet is one of those means.
More later.
- Chris
Woodchuck
Member
The truth of the matter is if ther were no NRA you wouldn't have any thing to whine about. You wouldn't have any guns and this forum would not exist. I don't agree with everything the NRA does, but I gladly pay my membership fees every year. It's usually the whiners that are too cheap to belong anyway so don't pay them no mind! The rest of us will carry your dead weight.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
1. I'm not going to quit the N.R.A.
2. I'm not going to quit the G.O.A.
3. I'm not going to quit the C.S.S.A.
4. I'm not going to turn in my guns.
2. I'm not going to quit the G.O.A.
3. I'm not going to quit the C.S.S.A.
4. I'm not going to turn in my guns.
blades67
Member
I'm going to quit the NRA right after I move to Utopia.
RAY WOODROW 3RD
Member
Don't quit, Get active........
I live in NJ and I feel that I have been screwed over by them in this State BUT I'm still staying a member. They are a necessary evil as stated above.
My NRA-ILA money that I sent them in the past is going to go somewhere else though. We (fellow NJ TFLers) started up our own group to try and fight for our rights instead of bitching at the NRA. My money will now go towards our group instead (www.njcsd.org).
By the way, I'm a paying member of JPFO, GOA, NRA, ANJRPC, Delran Junior Marksman, & Buckeye Gun Club.
I live in NJ and I feel that I have been screwed over by them in this State BUT I'm still staying a member. They are a necessary evil as stated above.
My NRA-ILA money that I sent them in the past is going to go somewhere else though. We (fellow NJ TFLers) started up our own group to try and fight for our rights instead of bitching at the NRA. My money will now go towards our group instead (www.njcsd.org).
By the way, I'm a paying member of JPFO, GOA, NRA, ANJRPC, Delran Junior Marksman, & Buckeye Gun Club.
I I think we should all quit the NRA.
And the GOA, and all those other outfits that only take our money and do nothing with it.
Then we should all quit our jobs, leave our families and go to Washington.
We could spend our days making appointments, waiting in lobbies and maxing out our credit cards wining & dining those we see as a threat to our rights.
I'm sure they would be happy to accomodate us, one at time, and listen to our grievances.
We could spend evenings in cheap hotel rooms (Remember, we quit our jobs to do this!) pouring over pending legislation pretending that we understand the legal mumbo jumbo and maybe, just maybe we would find that sentence hidden in an obscure bill that would further erode our rights.
Yeah, I think we should all quit and do it ourselves. Individually we could surely do a better job than we can united.
And the GOA, and all those other outfits that only take our money and do nothing with it.
Then we should all quit our jobs, leave our families and go to Washington.
We could spend our days making appointments, waiting in lobbies and maxing out our credit cards wining & dining those we see as a threat to our rights.
I'm sure they would be happy to accomodate us, one at time, and listen to our grievances.
We could spend evenings in cheap hotel rooms (Remember, we quit our jobs to do this!) pouring over pending legislation pretending that we understand the legal mumbo jumbo and maybe, just maybe we would find that sentence hidden in an obscure bill that would further erode our rights.
Yeah, I think we should all quit and do it ourselves. Individually we could surely do a better job than we can united.
TexasVet
Member
I'm not quitting anything that makes Rosie and Clooney mad!!!
Zander
member
Yes.
The NRA [actually, the NRA/ILA] is recognized as one of the most potent [if not the most potent] lobbying forces extant.
Continue to whine about the "shortcomings" of the NRA if you will; but recognize that staunch members continue to carry the burden for all firearms owners/users...while the rest of you sit on your hands and your wallets.
...Zander
NRA Life Member
Stephen Ewing
Member
Speaking as a Life Member, I'll quit the NRA if it's the last thing I do.
Now, I've got some quibbles over methods (think they compromise too much) and goals (I could live in a world without a single duck gun) but overall, they're much better than a local group that actually made a pitch to me about protecting the RKBA by requiring a NICS check on all private transactions.
My serious problems are:
1) "Effective lobby" is usually taken from the introduction of a CNN or ABCnews piece where Wayne LaPierre is sound-bitten to death, or at least to gibberish.
2) The Rifleman appears to be nothing but shameless pimping for a certain company which used to make good revolvers.
3) "Nobody needs an AK 47." This is wrong on so many levels.
Do the above blunders represent reason to quit? No. Do they represent a good reason to have my monthly copy of the Smith Catalog/American Rifleman sent to Sarah Brady, while I worry about which other RKBA organization gets my money? You betcha. I can live with the fact that the bad guys are going to try to make NRA leadership sound bad, but if they want my money again, then SOMEBODY will repudiate the agreement, and they'll figure out that an AR-15 is just as inert as a Perazzi.
Hmmm. The AR may be more inert, at that, as fussy as the darn thing is.
Steve
Now, I've got some quibbles over methods (think they compromise too much) and goals (I could live in a world without a single duck gun) but overall, they're much better than a local group that actually made a pitch to me about protecting the RKBA by requiring a NICS check on all private transactions.
My serious problems are:
1) "Effective lobby" is usually taken from the introduction of a CNN or ABCnews piece where Wayne LaPierre is sound-bitten to death, or at least to gibberish.
2) The Rifleman appears to be nothing but shameless pimping for a certain company which used to make good revolvers.
3) "Nobody needs an AK 47." This is wrong on so many levels.
Do the above blunders represent reason to quit? No. Do they represent a good reason to have my monthly copy of the Smith Catalog/American Rifleman sent to Sarah Brady, while I worry about which other RKBA organization gets my money? You betcha. I can live with the fact that the bad guys are going to try to make NRA leadership sound bad, but if they want my money again, then SOMEBODY will repudiate the agreement, and they'll figure out that an AR-15 is just as inert as a Perazzi.
Hmmm. The AR may be more inert, at that, as fussy as the darn thing is.
Steve
Chris Rhines
Member
More talk. The proof of the effectiveness of a lobbying organization is in the passage of good laws and the elimination of bad ones. Brother, the results just ain't there. The NRA may be one of the biggest lobbying organizations, but one of the most effective? Not from whre I'm standing.
There is nothing wrong with the NRA that could not be fixed with a high-level restructuring and the right people in charge. So far, that has not happened (not in a permanent sense.) While I don't think that quiting the organization is the answer, it may come to a point when we have to hit LaPierre and company in the pocketbook. Such is life.
- Chris
stellarpod
Member
Chris Rhines states:
Chris: Do you have a crystal ball that would clearly show you what legislation would have been thrust upon us if the NRA and it's efforts had not been around?
It's easy to point at every single misfire and mistake, but you have no way of quantifying what our world would look like without the NRA's efforts. I, of course have no way of knowing either. But, my instincts tell me that we would be in a very similar situation as the UK if not for the NRA's lobbying efforts. You claim that the "results just ain't there". I would humbly suggest that the simple fact that you are still legally able to own your firearms suggests that you're just plain wrong.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...
stellarpod
Chris: Do you have a crystal ball that would clearly show you what legislation would have been thrust upon us if the NRA and it's efforts had not been around?
It's easy to point at every single misfire and mistake, but you have no way of quantifying what our world would look like without the NRA's efforts. I, of course have no way of knowing either. But, my instincts tell me that we would be in a very similar situation as the UK if not for the NRA's lobbying efforts. You claim that the "results just ain't there". I would humbly suggest that the simple fact that you are still legally able to own your firearms suggests that you're just plain wrong.
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt...
stellarpod
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