Remington 1911 R

[dirtyred]

Howdy , any one have any info on the new 1911 R, all comments welcome.One old timer said, he carried a Remington Rand in WW2,said he perferd it over any other.I'm lookin to get one im thinkin. The buzz is they will be out in May.I thought maybe someone might have some inside information hehe! THANKS.

 

[blakeci]

Remington Rand is a different company than Remington Arms. Remington Arms made 1911's during WWI, Remington Rand made shavers and typewriters until WWII when they got a contract to make 1911A1's
Only 2 gun companies made 1911's during WWII, Colt and Ithaca. The rest were made by companies that manufactured consumer goods before the war, such as Remington Rand (shavers and typewriters) and Singer (sewing machines)
The Remington Rand 1911A1's were made better, faster, and $6 cheaper than the Colts at about $52 dollars apiece towards the end of WWII

 

[CoRoMo]

All I've seen is from these places.

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=2423
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=252318
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=268876
http://www.ammoland.com/2010/04/22/remington-1911-r1-handgun/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/04/23/new-remington-1911-r1/

 

[1KPerDay]

I'm sure glad they put their huge billboard on the slide.

 

[birdshot8's]

shooting times had a positive write up on the reminton 1911. i may get one just because it is a remington.

 

[Walkalong]

I like the "billboard" actually.

I have read that it has a firing pin block. If it does, that is a huge disappointment to me. Other than that, the pistol intrigues me.

 

[skoro]

I like the looks of it. The $699 price looks good, too.

 

[JohnBT]

Ah, pics clear enough to tell that it does NOT say Made in U.S.A.

That answers one question.

John

 

[CoRoMo]

That's what the discussion was around here yesterday. For $699, how could it possibly be made in the USA, how could it not be chock full of injection molded parts, etc.
If it isn't made here, isn't solidly built, and if it has a FPBlock, I'm going to need them to cut that price in half if I'm going to buy one. I can always find an Armscor 1911 for half the price of the R1.

 

[JohnBT]

"cut that price in half"

...and I can sell my Colt WWI Repro and buy 3 instead of just 2.

 

[dirtyred]

thank, you all for the info thats come in and the opinons.I found alot more information on line today ,Remington is going introduce them at the 139th National Rifle Association Annual Meetings in Charlotte, North Carolina, there made in llion NEW YORK.

 

[Oro]

shooting times had a positive write up on the reminton 1911

I haven't read the review, but one person who did said it was fairly short on details, and that they could not get it to stop jamming in the 2000 rounds they fired. Sometimes a 1911 will bobble a few in the 1st 100, but if it's doing it a few hundred, or in this case a few thousand, later, I'd have reservations.

I have read that it has a firing pin block

Yes, reportedly the Colt 80 system. On the positive side, that system is far better than some others. This will let them sell it in CA, a market it would be tough to write off with a new product. The 80 system is pretty invisible and no hindrance to an excellent trigger. It can also be easily removed. I would not let that be a deciding factor.

Ah, pics clear enough to tell that it does NOT say Made in U.S.A.

There's no requirement you have to plaster "Made in USA" on a firearm. Plenty of US made guns don't say that. I don't know where the components come from, but I'll withhold judgment until I do know.

For $699, how could it possibly be made in the USA, how could it not be chock full of injection molded parts, etc.

Colt has been delivering USA made guns not full of MIM for years, and they go for about $740 at the dealers, sometimes cheaper. And that's with union labor. I don't see it as impossible, but certainly a challenge. Most makers can't do it, we know that. But some can. A big arms maker, who can draw on existing labor talent and infrastructure, and hold off on having to take the hit on all-new tooling, could pull it off. Remington has an existing distribution, sales, and marketing network. I can see them doing it if they are careful.

If Remington is looking to put a quality product out, they may well be making no money on them or even a loss for a year or two in order to get them out and accepted. It's a standard practice. These could be very good and great value - but we just have to wait until we know more; there are just too few facts about it available now to say much at all.

 

[ravenor]

If you can find a Mil-Spec type Colt or a 1991 for $740. I would buy it long before purchasing a Remington for $699. just for resale value and history alone. not to mention a better roll-stamp.

 

[CoRoMo]

...they may well be making no money on them or even a loss for a year or two in order to get them out and accepted. It's a standard practice.

I was always under the impression that the first price is the high price. The Bushmaster ACR comes to mind. The 'street price' is then achieved after enough buyers have paid the premium to get the gun off the ground.

I certainly hope it is a winner. We REALLY need an improvement (IMHO) in the American made 1911s in this price range. Just looking at the few things we have at our disposal for the purpose of speculation, it seems too good to be true. I am crossing my fingers that it is!!

 

[Oro]

I was always under the impression that the first price is the high price.

Well, the MSRP is traditionally well over what the expected "street" price is. But introducing a gun (or another product) at a lower price and raising it later when it's really entrenched in the marketplace is not unusual. Who knows what their strategy really is? We are all just guessing!

I also hope it does well. I'm a little more eager to see what the Ithaca models are like when they come out later this year. From what I understand, they are intending to produce all of their parts in house and with forged slides and barrels, all US made. I have a feeling it's going to be very nice, but not terribly cheap.

 

[revals]

"Ah, pics clear enough to tell that it does NOT say Made in U.S.A.

That answers one question."

Actually, you can see on the frame that it says "ILION, NY, USA"

 

[Mr. T]

North American made 1911's during WWII also. Not very many, so they are very rare. They were manufactured in Canada I believe and are very valuable to collectors. I just thought I would throw that out there. I saw it on an episode of "I have this old gun" on American Rifleman.

 

[CPshooter]

But introducing a gun (or another product) at a lower price and raising it later when it's really entrenched in the marketplace is not unusual.

Kahr and DW 1911s come to mind. DW probably did it because the demand for their 1911s has skyrocketed in the past few years. Kahr probably did it as a last resort because they needed to recover the cost of all the warranty repairs they have to make on their POS guns.

 

[Oro]

North American made 1911's during WWII also.

Good point about an obscure 1911 maker, but they were WWI, not WWII.

Kahr and DW 1911s come to mind.

I can not figure out DW's steep price increases. I think it's really cost them sales. I now they area foreign company and you could explain it if they were doing it because of Currency fluctuations, but they are US produced so their costs are fixed in $US, not Euros. Again, CZ has deep enough pockets to take a loss for a while, then try to depend upon reputation and market share to get it back. Who knows - just speculating.

 

[JohnBT]

"Actually, you can see on the frame that it says "ILION, NY, USA" "

Right, it doesn't say Made in the USA.

 

[CoRoMo]

Exactly John. My Springfield says Geneseo, IL on it.
It was made in Croatia.

 

[Oro]

"Actually, you can see on the frame that it says "ILION, NY, USA" "

Right, it doesn't say Made in the USA.

Correct, but it doesn't mean anything regarding your point. You originally said:

Ah, pics clear enough to tell that it does NOT say Made in U.S.A.

That answers one question.

It answer nothing. There's no requirement a gun advertise it's US made. The only guns that consistently say that are S&W, and that's because they started doing it in the 1920's to counter foreign fakes. They just keep doing it for tradition. The fact it does or does not say "Made in USA" means absolutely nothing. There's no requirement a US made gun advertise that fact, just the registered address of the manufacturer on the frame, like "Hartford, CT," or "Ilion, NY."

 

[Gord]

Got a promo email from Remington a few hours back regarding this thing. The ad copy looks and sounds like it was written by a seventh-grader - yeesh...

I can't get excited about this. I like 1911s, but the market is way past played out. There are already several manufacturers servicing each niche and often overlapping; Remington is late to the party as usual and just looking for some easy money from an already-proven sales success. At least the R-15 filled a niche in the AR world that hadn't been exploited yet...

 

[lions]

From the Remington email:

After nearly a century, Remington returns to its rightful place as the manufacturer of one of America's most revered handguns; the 1911. From the moment you wrap your hand around it's double diamond grips and lay your finger on the polished aluminium of the telltale short trigger, you'll know first-hand why the 1911 has such a devoted following. And modern enhancements make the best even better. The 1911 R1 features a flared and lowered ejection port; beveled magazine well; loaded chamber indicator; high profile dovetailed single-dot front and two-dot rear sights; a crisp 3.5 - 5 pound trigger pull; and a match grade stainless steel barrel and barrel bushing. It also has the Series 80-style firing pin block safety.

The Remington 1911 R1 is hand-crafted and shipped from Ilion, New York-- the birthplace of Remington Arms-complete with a custom carry case, two seven-round magazines and a barrel bushing wrench. So you can be assured of all the pride, precision and out-of-the-box performance you've come to expect from the Remington branded products.

For more information on this once-in-a-lifetime sidearm, visit the all new 1911 R1 website- www.1911r1.com.

The rebirth begins in June 2010. So talk to your select dealer today, and reserve your place in owning a piece of firearm history. The Remington 1911 R1.

 

[birdshot8's]

i don't think it is american made. since the way the ad does a slight of hand when stating it is, "hand crafted and shipped from ilions,ny".