Rim-fire reliability

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While I have plenty of small arms expeirience, my knowledge of ammo falls short. Why is rimfire ammo so un-reliable, prone to FTF's, etc. And due to the time that its been around, has no one or why has no one improved its reliability. Is it just .22 ammo? Is .17 and .22 may the same. I've never shot .22 may or .17 hmr.
Is there anything that we as consumers/shooters can do to increase reliability?
 
Generally, the higher the price the better the quality. I have never had a higher end match round FTF. Higher price equates to better quality control.....With that said, I rarely get a dud outta cheapo Federal bulk, 50 round Federal boxed or 50 round CCI boxed, either.
 
My guess is that a lot of people who shoot .22 rimfire are not always diligent in cleaning their weapons so if the bolt has a little slack in its fit the firing pin doesn't get a good strike.
 
I wasn't aware that .22 ammo had a reliability problem. I shoot several ,22 firearms and can't remember when I last had any type failure. The only time I had a problem , it was the firearm and not the ammo.:confused:
 
Some of the cheaper .22 RF ammo has had misfires that were investigated and reportedly traced to a lack of priming compound, either totally or at the point in the rim the firing pin struck. I have not personally experienced this but I generally don't buy the very cheap ammo. In all honesty, at the speed they turn that stuff out, it is surprising that there are so few problems.

Jim
 
Squibs

Actually had 2 in row cci mini mags that fired lodging the projectile in the barrel. That was this year.
 
Squibs? CCI Mini-Mags? Make sure that the bullets are not being loosened by miss handling or by something in the magazine or feed system.
 
I've been using the Federal bulk stuff (36gr HP 'plated') for speed steel & practice in my Ruger Mark III (stock) and after about 3,000 rounds haven't ever had a failure to fire...I do get about a 1-2% FTE (stove pipes) with this ammo.
 
My squib incidence CCI mini mags

"Actually had 2 in row cci mini mags that fired lodging the projectile in the barrel. That was this year."


Ruger Mark iii target pistol. Noted the sound at the point of discharge was very weak. Stopped and noted a projectile lodged in the barrel. Took the gun home and knocked the bullet loose from the barrel. Later Back at the range resumed firing with the same magazine which was still holding the remaining cartridges from where I left off before......The next round was also a squib! Was prepared with a rod and knocked this one loose. Many successful rounds fired from this point. CCI and the Ruger are still a favorite.

Was that good or bad luck. Should I have gone to Vegas directly after the incident?
 
I cannot remember the last time I had a reliability issue with any of my .22LR or .22WMR guns. And I've been shooting .22 for well over 3 decades, now.

Yes, I'm sure I've had a misfire. I just can't remember how many years ago that was.

And, to be honest, I know I've had a centerfire misfire or two, as well...and I can't remember how many years ago THAT was, either.

I think many "misfires" are related to the condition of the guns they happend in. Certainly not all misfires, but very likely a significant percentage.

That the statistical probability of a rimfire misfiring might be higher than for that of a centerfire, I wouldn't doubt. Getting the primer properly deposited into the rim of a .22 cartridge seems to me to be a more mechanically involved process than that involved for centerfire primers.


But quite frankly...I simply don't see rimfire misfires happening with any level of frequency in my guns as to cause any level of concern with respect to reliability. And I shoot a variety of different brands.
 
I have rarely had misfires. few thousand to every misfire. Even so in over half those cases, I was curious, reloaded the round, and it fired on the second or third hit. Rarely would they never go off.

Same with center fire.

many people who think they have "duds" will find that the round fires if they rechamber it and try again. It's mostly due to light primer strikes.
 
Reliability of rimfires relate to a number of potentail issues; (1) No or poorly dispersed primer in the base of the cartridge, (2) Reduced amount of powder or powder that does not ignite or only the primer ignites (aka squib), (3) Dirty gun which does not allow the cartridge to seat properly in the chamber, and (4) Firing pin or spring tension issues.

As mentioned, generally the more you pay for the ammunition at normal pricing, the better the results in terms of ignition, reliability, and precision.

For most, bulk or promotional rimfire ammunition is all they shoot (or ~80-90% of it) and it probably has the lowest QA/QC at the plant during production.
 
Rimfire rounds are manufactured by having the primer element dropped into the case while spinning it to force the primer into the rim. While this tends to create a pretty even dispersal into the rim, it isn't an exact science. So, there will always be the possibility that the portion of the rim smacked by the firing pin might have a weaker charge, and it may even be insufficient to light off. And, it does take quite a hard smack to set off even a "strong" charge, as it has to flatten that section of rim.

That being said, I have fired tens of thousands of rimfire ammo over the last 27-ish years. Most of it has been CCI MiniMags, simply because, during the first several years, that was all that was typically stocked at the local department stores, and I didn't know that cheaper stuff even existed. Later, that trend continued because my small autoloaders, which comprise most of my rimfire battery, won't cycle the "bulk" stuff reliably.

I have never had a misfire with rimfire ammo.

I did have one with about as many centerfire rounds, and it was a commercially-reloaded round of .38 Special ammo that also happened to be about fifteen years old. It fired the second time the hammer (of a Charter Arms Undercover, made in 1987) was dropped on it.
 
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I may find one or two duds in a 500 rnd bulk pack. And they always throw a few extra rounds in (in my experience). That works out to 99.6% reliability. I don't know what others have for standards, but that tends to work for me.

Now what was the question about manufacturing? Well, the 22 lr is not that easy to produce. See, for example:
http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/Impossible-22-rimfire/
http://www.chuckhawks.com/history_rimfire_ammo.htm
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1oQatvQqk
 
I've had ftf on cheap and expensive rimfire ammo. They are marketing .22 magnum for defense and improving ballistics and bullet design but don't seem eager enough to improve rimfire reliability in my opinion. Come out with a rimfire primer as reliable as center fire and you will have a major firearms break through!
 
i'll let you know how Remington thunderbolts do tomorrow from my new buckmark.
 
I've had more FTF rimfires in the past year than anytime in my life. I think they are cranking them out so fast to meet demand with less quality control.
 
I've had misfires with a variety of brands, but more with Remington than all the rest. I recently have been working my way through a brick of SK Jagd Standard+ in my target rifle, and have been unpleasantly surprised to have a few of them misfire.

Eley, I don't recall a misfire, but there could have been. Only shot a few bricks of it, though. CCI mini mags? Can't remember them ever misfiring. In fact, I can't remember any CCI misfiring, even the Blazer. .22 Magnum, I've shot many fewer than LR, but can't remember them ever misfiring.
 
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