Roanoke Times (VA) calls for repeal of 2nd Amendent

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The Second Amendment is what it is, alas

By Tommy Denton
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No matter how much mayhem and tragedy may be caused by gun violence in the United States, such costs are more than an acceptable trade-off for many people who are determined to preserve "the right to keep and bear arms."

No matter how many emotional appeals to stop the violence -- like the somber ringing of a bell 80 times at a vigil in Richmond last January to mark the 80 deaths of Virginia children by gun violence in 2005 -- the sacred Second Amendment pre-empts the naïve notion that regulating the proliferation of firearms in civil society serves the greater purpose of public safety and ordered liberty.

So deeply ingrained is that article of constitutional faith in the psyche of many gunpowder patriots that their trigger fingers fairly twitch at the mere suggestion that they be restrained from indulging their menacing fascination.

Alas, those who believe that their gun-embracing compatriots pose a clear and present public danger by misinterpreting the true meaning of the Second Amendment will be disappointed to learn that some of the ablest legal minds in the land disagree with them.

Even generally liberal law professors such as Harvard's Laurence Tribe and Sanford Levinson of the University of Texas offer no ideological or historical comfort to those who read into the Second Amendment the restriction that guns may be justified only under state-sponsored militia and not under a general liberty bestowed as an individual right.

The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

For better or worse, the militia qualifier has been sufficiently ambiguous that courts have avoided the "either/or" solution and granted limited yet reasonable, prudent regulations to be determined by both Congress and state governments. Even Tribe and Levinson find the nation's history and court precedents to be too firmly fixed as a matter of law and custom to be summarily dismissed even in the arguable interest of public safety.

In other words, the Founders may have left a mess that they could not foresee -- the proliferation within civil society of an evolving technology whose destructive firepower would be unimaginable until more than a century later.

Yet we should like to think they would be pleased by the agonizing, good-faith struggle of succeeding generations to honor the constitutional rule of law. That balance has been attempted despite its often deadly cost exacted because of the inherent tension between modern society's general desire to protect public safety and an enduring, less-widely-held paranoia rooted in fear -- of crime, of tyranny, of evil generally -- and exploited for political, ideological and commercial purposes.

Be clear: I do not advocate the "outlawing" of firearms. I understand and accept the disciplined practices of hunting and sport shooting. I do advocate a strengthening of restrictions on the proliferation primarily of handguns, through requiring a state-approved purchase permit, periodic relicensing to demonstrate proficiency and safety awareness, and registration through a law-enforcement agency. These seem reasonable conditions for a civilized society to impose in the interest of public safety.

After more than two centuries, America has gained more than enough experience to realize that an armed citizenry isn't "necessary to the security of a free state." Events of recent history suggest that citizens of other countries -- Iraq, Sudan and Bosnia spring quickly to mind -- would rather not have learned such lessons the hard way. For them, like most Americans, they probably would prefer to try such civil arrangements as free, fair elections and politically accountable representation as the more enduring safeguards of their elusive liberty.

Whether the debate is over limiting the marketing latitude of dealers at gun shows or providing open access to lists of people authorized by the state to carry concealed weapons in public, the historic ambiguity over the meaning of the Second Amendment almost ensures tension and at least rhetorical conflict.

In the meantime, according to the Police Executive Research Forum, gun violence has escalated by about 10 percent since 2004 after abating modestly at the end of the 1990s.

The near-absolutist excuse against imposing substantial controls to prevent gun violence has allowed Virginia lawmakers to defeat even legislation that would deny gun ownership to people convicted of misdemeanor assault or stalking -- those with a proven pattern of violent behavior.

The Founders wrote what they wrote, but they wrote for a century and a nation for which the Second Amendment no longer is appropriate. Yet we should adhere faithfully to the letter and spirit of the Constitution: Quixotic as it may be right now, I propose that we begin thinking about invoking the Constitution's Article V and repeal the Second Amendment.

Denton's column appears in the Sundays and Tuesday editions of The Roanoke Times
 
If we can just get all antis to think this way, we'll have won.

Because there's absolutely no way the 2nd is going to be repealed anytime soon, not a snowball's chance in hell. There might be a lot of antis in the United States today, but I bet there are just as many gunnies, and as far as I know, a constitutional amendment requires a high majority of direct public support to go through.

Stranger things have happened, though. Just look at Prohibition...
 
Hey, Denton...you got a license to say that?

Be clear: I do not advocate the "outlawing" of free speech. I understand and accept the disciplined practices of news reporting and editorial writing. I do advocate a strengthening of restrictions on the proliferation primarily of newspapers, pens, and computers through requiring a state-approved purchase permit, periodic relicensing to demonstrate proficiency and safety awareness, and registration through a law-enforcement agency. These seem reasonable conditions for a civilized society to impose in the interest of public safety.

Be clear: I do not advocate the "outlawing" of firearms. I understand and accept the disciplined practices of hunting and sport shooting. I do advocate a strengthening of restrictions on the proliferation primarily of handguns, through requiring a state-approved purchase permit, periodic relicensing to demonstrate proficiency and safety awareness, and registration through a law-enforcement agency. These seem reasonable conditions for a civilized society to impose in the interest of public safety.
 
thanks gunsmith, i "borrowed" your little blurb there for a letter I wrote to this guy. Here it is:


Dear Mr. Denton,


I shall quote:
"Be clear: I do not advocate the "outlawing" of firearms. I understand and accept the disciplined practices of hunting and sport shooting. I do advocate a strengthening of restrictions on the proliferation primarily of handguns, through requiring a state-approved purchase permit, periodic relicensing to demonstrate proficiency and safety awareness, and registration through a law-enforcement agency. These seem reasonable conditions for a civilized society to impose in the interest of public safety."

I think you may be on to something here. Thus I propose:
"Be clear: I do not advocate the "outlawing" of free speech. I understand and accept the disciplined practices of news reporting and editorial writing. I do advocate a strengthening of restrictions on the proliferation primarily of newspapers, pens, and computers through requiring a state-approved purchase permit, periodic relicensing to demonstrate proficiency and safety awareness, and registration through a law-enforcement agency. These seem reasonable conditions for a civilized society to impose in the interest of public safety."

I'm sure you see the parallels. Furthermore, you don't seem to include self defense as a valid use for firearms. Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who use guns every year (effectively, I might add) in defense of themselves and their loved ones. The laws on the books right now are already more than strict enough. And I can tell you in no uncertain terms that heavier regulation of firearms will NOT save lives; in fact guns contribute a tiny (albeit sensational) fraction to overall deaths in the United States, along with every other part of the world. If you were really concerned about public safety, you'd be ranting about swimming pools. Your child is a hundred times more likely to die at a house with a pool than at a house with a gun (I'm not making this up; just ask 20/20 on ABC). In fact, more children die every year of drowning in 5 gallon buckets than from accidental gunshot wounds.

So if you were actually worried about public safety, you'd be advocating the heavy regulation, licensing, registration, and demonstration of proficiency in use of 5 gallon buckets. Because it would save more lives than what you propose.

And when all is said and done, remember; the bad guys like gun laws, because that means their victims are defenseless. By definition, the criminals ignore them.


Thanks for reading.

Geoffrey F.
Allentown, Pennsylvania
 
Roanoke Times [VA] calls for repeal of 2nd

I have one question to ask incase this so called repeal ever goes thru. If I get hurt by a criminal with a firearm and the criminal gets caught,CAN I SUE THE ROANOKE TIMES [VA] FOR BEING AN ACCESORY TO THE CRIME AGAINST ME????????? Rich Ziemies,Omaha,Ne. rich642z:mad: :mad: :mad: :fire: :fire:
 
the sacred Second Amendment pre-empts the naïve notion that regulating the proliferation of firearms in civil society serves the greater purpose of public safety and ordered liberty.
This was about the only sentence worth reading, It's hard to belive this guy can get any papers sold in south west Virginia. He is just another arrogant pompous Bloomberg A$$ kisser who spits in the graves of the heroes who fought to win our freedom and the millions who have fought and died to keep it. He is nothing more than a starry eyed small town editor who hopes that one day he can be sufficiently controvertial and inflamatory enough to win a glance by the mainstream media. :fire:
 
I think its time to send the Roanoke Times a clear message.

I suggest that each of us calls/e-mails them to inform them that we will boycott their paper AND each and every sponsor and advertiser and that we as individuals will call each of their sponsors to let them know.

RT Contact info201

e-mail form: http://www.roanoke.com/wse

W. Campbell Ave.
P.O. Box 2491
Roanoke, Va. 24010-2491
Main Switchboard: (800) 346-1234 or (540) 981 3340

Sponsor List:

American Express

[email protected]

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Theses are a few I pulled off the website for starters.

Please add additional ones as you find them.

The only way to change their behavior is to hit them in the wallet.
 
Roanoke Times is really at it. They even surpassed our S. Florida papers which are not the most gun friendly in the country to put it mildly. I think you guys in Virginia should start writing letters to the editor and probably even more importantly to the publisher about this crap. Get the http://www.vcdl.org/ if they have not gotten involved yet.

This whole thing with this newspaper is absurd:barf:
 
Unbelievable. I'm sorry to see the BS you folks just a few miles to my North have to endure.

Here's hoping they see the light.

Steve
 
"In other words, the Founders may have left a mess that they could not foresee -- the proliferation within civil society of an evolving technology whose destructive firepower would be unimaginable until more than a century later."

I'd like to address this fallacy. Never give this point to the antis, it's bogus.

The greater firepower of modern weapons must always be balanced against advances in medical care. In 1787, anybody could load a blunderbuss with a half pound of rusty tacks and mow down a church picnic. The many victims would have died slow, agonizing deaths of sepsis.

In fact, any bullet wound to the torso was nearly always fatal, and in a very prolonged and painful way. Limbs were routinely amputated after gunshot wounds, with a 50-50 chance of survival.

A man shot by a modern weapon who is taken to a modern hospital has a much greater chance of full recovery than anyone shot in 1787. If anything, weapons were more dangerous in those days than now.

Always throw this back at the antis when they use the "guns are more dangerous today" argument for repealing the 2nd Amd.
 
Yet we should like to think they would be pleased by the agonizing, good-faith struggle of succeeding generations to honor the constitutional rule of law. That balance has been attempted despite its often deadly cost exacted because of the inherent tension between modern society's general desire to protect public safety and an enduring, less-widely-held paranoia rooted in fear -- of crime, of tyranny, of evil generally -- and exploited for political, ideological and commercial purposes.
Yet he wants to repeal the Second due to his own paranoia rooted in fear -- of crime and the big, scary gun-owners. And he exploits the fear of others to advance his own ideology and for the commercial purpose of selling more papers/internet ad space. Projection or good ol' fashioned hypocrisy? Or is it some combination of the two?
 
If we can just get all antis to think this way, we'll have won.

If only we could get all the anti propagandists to WRITE this way. I know far too many folks who'd have to re-read this several times just to get a vague understanding of what the author means. While articulate, this article probably serves more to confuse the average reader than to incite anti-gun feelings. Yet despite his eloquent style, the article is still tantamount to 2+2=5.

The anti's that do get the message across seem to be the simpletons who use common verbage in short sentences and feign compassion while making countless references to "babies" dying. This makes more sense, however, since there is no reasonable argument for gun control; They must rely on arresting the correct emotion to gain support for their inconversant position.
 
So deeply ingrained is that article of constitutional faith in the psyche of many gunpowder patriots that their trigger fingers fairly twitch at the mere suggestion that they be restrained from indulging their menacing fascination.

Goosebumps baby.
 
My favorite question to ask anti-gunners is:
"If there are no guns, who will protect us?"

Before they can answer haughtily with "The police!" I will often tell them that the courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals, only the public in general. For example, in Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: `[C]ourts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.'.

The police are NOT personal bodyguards. They are overworked, underpaid, and undervalued to be sure, but the police are there to keep a modicum of order in society, not to solve every little problem. They just can't. In Harris County TX where I live, the are approx. 1.5 LEOs for EVERY 1000 CITIZENS!
And crime increases daily. No better argument for CCW in my opinion.

But it all comes back to taking responsiblity for one's own life and actions. If you wish to live in areas where crime is high, you run the risk of being a victim. When you carry, you lower those risks. I believe that if the 2ND were to be repealed, the whole country would end up going the way of the LA Riots - with the police just standing there wondering what to do.
My 2 cents.
 
Hmmm, the same Roanoke Times that just published the names and home addresses of thousands of CCW licensees/handgun owners, and claimed that the publication of the list had absolutely nothing to do with the gun issue... :scrutiny:
 
No Virginia

The REAL Virginia stops at Blacksburg,just before you get to Roanoke,after that you get into D.C.,or what they like to call NOVA,and they have it right,it is No Virgina.

992
 
That's nuts, they're more liberals and old hippies in the area around Blacksburg than Roanoke or Richmond combined. Roanoke's an old railroad town. That's just a corporate-liberal-owned newspaper they're stuck with in Roanoke. It's like reading the sister paper, the Virginian-Pilot in Norfolk.

John
Va Tech Class of '72
& born in Roanoke FWIW
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Landmark's best-known media outlet is The Weather Channel. A second cable outlet, The Travel Channel was owned by the company from 1990 to 1996, when it was sold to Paxson Communications, subsequently selling it to Discovery Communications.

Landmark also owns three major daily newspapers:

The Virginian-Pilot, Norfolk, Virginia
The Roanoke Times, Roanoke, Virginia
News & Record, Greensboro, North Carolina
Through its Landmark Community Newspapers subsidiary, it owns five community daily newspapers:

The Carroll County Times, Westminster, Maryland
Citrus County Chronicle, Crystal River, Florida
The News-Enterprise, Elizabethtown, Kentucky
Los Alamos Monitor, Los Alamos, New Mexico
Las Vegas Optic, Las Vegas, New Mexico

It also owns over 120 community and special-interest newspapers in sixteen states. This includes seven publications that cover college sports at Florida State University, University of Florida, Indiana University, University of Iowa, University of Nebraska, University of Kentucky, and University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

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KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, Nevada
WTVF-TV, Nashville, Tennessee
The Weather Channel, Atlanta, Georgia
Landmark is also part-owner (with Pelmorex) of Canadian weather channels The Weather Network and MétéoMédia.

Landmark formerly owned WFMY-TV, Greensboro, North Carolina and WTAR-TV (now WTKR) Norfolk, Virginia, but was forced by FCC crossownership rules to sell both stations in the 1970s. Under the rule, Landmark could not own both a newspaper and a television station in those markets.

It owns four career training schools that focus on health-related career education:

Glendale Career College
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Nevada Career Institute
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Landmark owns Continental Broadband, a managed data network services company serving business customers in Ft. Lauderdale, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Hampton Roads, Pittsburgh and Richmond. Continental's award-winning Ethernet Anywhere product is now available in several markets.
 
Maybe we ought to restrict his ability to print this kind of drivel seeing as how it warps young impressionable minds into incorrect thought patterns:



No matter how much hateful and hurtful feelings are caused by citizens speaking out on radio, TV, the internet, and in print media this is a more than acceptable tradeoff for many people who are determined to preserve "the right to free speech".

No matter how many emotional appeals and outright banning that happens to try and stop this type of speech - like the recent incident involving radio host Don Imus - the sacred First Amendment pre-empts the naive notion that regulating the content of speech in civil society serves the greater purpose of public mental health and ordered liberty.

So deeply ingrained is that article of constitutional faith in the psyche of many pen and ink patriots that their writing hands fairly twitch at the mere suggestion that they be restrained from indulging their menacing fascination with expressing themselves.

Alas, those who believe that their pen and paper and keyboard embracing compatriots pose a clear and present public danger by misinterpreting the true meaning of the First Amendment will be disappointed to learn that some of the ablest legal minds in the land disagree with them.

There are First Amendment lawyers around the country and well known organizations such as the ACLU who offer no ideological or historical comfort to those who read into the First Amendment the restriction that speech must not be hateful and take into account the feelings and misinterpretations of each and every person that speech may be exposed to. Furthermore these First Amendment "protectors" do not read into the amendment the restriction that speech is a general liberty and not an individual right.

The amendment in part reads: " or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; ".

For better or worse, the press qualifier has been sufficiently ambiguous that courts have not ruled that thoroughly modern forms of speech disseminiation such as radio, TV, and internet are not covered under the term "press".

In other words, the Founder may have left a mess that they could not foresee -- the proliferation within civil society of evolving technologies whose destructive power to proper thought and to impressionable minds would have been almost unimaginable until more than a century later.

Yet we should like to think they would be pleased by the agonizing, good-faith struggle of succeeding generations to honor the constitutional rule of law. That balance has been attempted despite the often deadly cost exacted because of the inherent tension between modern society's general desire to protect segments of society and impressionable minds from widely held paranoid views and improper thought patterns. Racism, homophobia, advocacy of alternative viewpoints, are all exploited for political, ideological, and commercial purposes.

Be clear - I do not advocate the "outlawing" of free speech. I understand and accept the disciplined practices of protest zones and censored press. I do advocate the strengthening of restrictions on proliferation primarily of internet blogs, self-published and sold books, and free form artistic expression, through requiring a state-approved purchase permit, periodic relicensing to demonstrate verbal proficiency and speech impact awareness, and registration through a law-enforcement agency. These seem reasonable conditions for a civilized society to impose in the interest of public mental safety.

After more than two centuries, America has gained more than enough experience to realize that free expression by the citizenry isn't necessary to functioning of a free state. Events of recent history suggest that citizens of other countries -- Iraq, North Korea, Russia, Iran spring quickly to mind -- have not allowed their citizens to express the free thoughts and opinions and have not had the same problems with social dissent and turmoil that we have had. For them, like most Americans, they probably would prefer to try such arrangements as free, fair elections, and politically accountable representation as the more enduring safeguards of their elusive liberty.

Whether the debate is over limiting the marketing latitude of product placement or providing open access to people at libraries - the historic ambuguity over the meaning of the First Amendment almost ensures tension and rhetorical conflict.

In the meantime, research and public opinion indicate that verbal dissension and hateful discourse has increased in recent years - after abating modestly during the 40's and 50's.

The near absolutist excuse against imposing substantial controls to prevent hurtful and ignorant speech has allowed speakers such as Howard Stern, Don Imus, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, Al Gore, and Ann Coulter to freely express themselves, and has prevented lawmakers from reigning in people such as these with a proven pattern of ignorant and hurtful speech.

The Founders wrote what they wrote, but they wrote for a century and a nation for which the First Amendment is no longer appropriate. Yet we should adhere faithfully to the letter and the spirit of the Constitution: Quixotic as it may be right now, I propose that we begin thinking about invoking the Constitution's Article V and repeal the First Amendment.
 
Freedom of the Press: Newspaper publishes altered photographs

And perhaps it's time to repeal the First Amendment protection for Freedom of the Press. The Founders could not have anticipated the fearsome technology that would allow newspapers to publish intentionally doctored photographs. I don't believe that the Founders intended to protect this kind of press. Note that the photographer who did it was a Pulitizer Prize finalist in 1998.

Ohio newspaper finds more altered photos
By JOHN SEEWER, Associated Press Writer
Sun Apr 15, 11:30 AM ET


A photographer for The Blade who digitally changed a front-page photo of an Ohio baseball team also altered 57 other pictures that were published in the newspaper or on its Web site this year, the newspaper said Sunday.

Allan Detrich, a Pulitzer Prize finalist in 1998, erased people, tree limbs and utility poles from some of his photos, Ron Royhab, The Blade's vice president and executive editor, said in a column.

After reviewing Detrich's work, the newspaper said it found that 79 of the 947 photos he submitted since Jan. 1 had been altered.

"It is impossible to make sense of why this happened, and we are embarrassed by it," Royhab wrote, apologizing to readers in the column.

Detrich, who began working for The Blade in 1989, resigned April 7 after acknowledging that he altered a photo of Bluffton University baseball players kneeling March 30 at their first game following the bus crash that killed five players in Atlanta. Photos of the team in other Ohio newspapers showed the legs of someone standing in the background. The legs did not appear in The Blade photo, taken from a similar angle.

Detrich told his editors he altered the baseball team photo for his personal files and mistakenly sent it to the newspaper.

In an e-mail sent Sunday to The Associated Press, Detrich declined to comment on The Blade's findings. He previously has said the baseball photo was a bad mistake. When he resigned he said he had been planning to leave The Blade anyway and was looking forward to life outside the news business.

The altered baseball photo was also published in The Cincinnati Enquirer and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. The Blade did not know whether any of the other altered photographs had been published elsewhere.

The newspaper, which has a weekday circulation of 135,000, plans to review photos Detrich submitted before this year, Royhab said. It is removing Detrich's photographs from its Web site and has blocked access to his photographs in the newspaper's archive.

"Journalism, whether by using words or pictures, must be an accurate representation of the truth," Royhab wrote.

The Associated Press has removed access to 50 images created by Detrich from AP's photo archive. Last year, the AP removed images from its archive that were created by a Beirut-based freelance photographer who the Reuters news agency said manipulated two photos.

Detrich also has worked for The Advertiser-Tribune in Tiffin and The Xenia Daily Gazette. He was a Pulitzer finalist in feature photography in 1998 for a series of photos of children who fled abusive parents.

The Blade, owned by Block Communications Inc., has a circulation of 180,000 on Sundays.

By the way, well said Calsdad.
 
The REAL Virginia stops at Blacksburg,just before you get to Roanoke,after that you get into D.C.,or what they like to call NOVA,and they have it right,it is No Virgina.

The minute you start talking cr@p like that, you'll make it alot easier for our rights to get trampled. Lots of gun rights supporters here, lest you forget where the NRA and VCDL headquarters are located. You cannot stop this stuff by moving away from it. You do so by standing your ground (voting, etc.).
 
If we repeal the Fifth Amendment, can the police execute people without trials? It's O.K. then? If we repeal the Eighth Amendment can we torture those convicted of crimes? Bring back the horrific punishments of England? It's O.K. because we have done away with the Bill of Rights?

Enough! My rights do not come from a piece of paper!

THE BILL OF RIGHTS GIVE US NO RIGHTS! The Bill of Rights merely recognize rights that have existed since time immemorial. If you repeal the Second Amendment, we still have the right to keep and bear arms. The Ninth Amendment ensures that I have the rights of self defense and revolution, rights to self defense imply a right to the means of self defense and revolution. If you repeal the Ninth, we still have those rights.
 
Pretty clearly, we who-THROUGHOUT THE OLD DOMINION- support RKBA are at war with the Roanoke Times and their advertisers.

Coincidentally, VCDL has just started a campaign against the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star for publishing IDs of new CHP issuances, by "outing" their editor with personal data about her. :evil:

TC
 
In other words, the Founders may have left a mess that they could not foresee -- the proliferation within civil society of an evolving technology whose destructive firepower would be unimaginable until more than a century later.

This is a ridiculous statement. It implies that the founders of the country were somehow strangers to gun violence, or that the guns of their day were relatively inconsequential. That's a joke.

These men knew that there would be advances in firearms technology. There were advances in their day, and there had been advances before their time, and there was no reason to expect that such things would stop evolving. The general direction of gun evolution-- towards greater accuracy, reliability, and faster reloading-- has not changed much over the ages. Leonard Da Vinci first envisioned the machine gun, and that was 200 years and more before the constitution.

They also knew what gun violence was. In their day, men sometimes settled their disputes with guns. Washington himself was a soldier, and saw many friends and companions killed with guns.

It is also very ignorant to suppose that the guns they were familliar with were not formidable killing tools. A bullet from a .50 caliber muzzleloader or a flintlok dueling pistol can kill you, just the same as a bullet from an ak-47 or an m-16. One does not kill a man any deader than the other. Rarely does anyone kill a large number of people in rapid succession-- in colonial times such events were accomplished by using multiple pistols.

In summary, the founding fathers were no strangers to powerful, deadly firearms. They could probably guess where firearm evolution was going, and made the statements they made knowing the world was a changing place.
 
menacing fascination.

The only menacing fascination I have is why the hell can't I get tighter groups at 50 yards with my Ruger MKIII that is the only thing that facinates me.

The Founders wrote what they wrote, but they wrote for a century and a nation for which the Second Amendment no longer is appropriate. Yet we should adhere faithfully to the letter and spirit of the Constitution: Quixotic as it may be right now, I propose that we begin thinking about invoking the Constitution's Article V and repeal the Second Amendment.

I am sure this same person would be in arms if we gun owners decided to take away his first amendment right to the press.
 
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