Ruger Guide Gun .30-06 Review (Pic Hvy)

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I had put my name down on a list to get one of these a few months ago. One finally came in, and onto layaway it went. Well, 1.5months later, I picked her up and decided to do a little review. Pictured here with my complimentary SP101 .357.

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The rifle came in the usual white Ruger box, packed with two Scope rings, the Muzzle Brake (attached when shipped), thread protector and weighted protector (for keeping POA when the brake is off). There was also a hex key and torx wrench for use with the action screws(?) and scope rings respectively. As a note - the rings that came with it were colored and coated the same as the rifle - and the heads of the screws to ring mounts are knurled - the last set only had space for a flat-head screwdriver. Also included was a sling swivel stud to replace the plug that currently sits in the fore-end of the stock.

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The rifle is in decent shape, with only a small ring of coating missing from in front of the front swivel loop band (looks like the band was pushed back slightly after coating), and some small blemishes on the left side of the stock (rub?)The bolt was coated in Ruger grease that had hardened and gone tacky - this was quickly remedied with a good cotton wipe and reapplication of CLP. NOTE: Breakdown of the Bolt is harder than other Mauser-pattern designs, as this needs a pin to keep the bolt held back - however, the hammer-pin kept in the grips of my SP101 seemed to do the trick nicely! :cool:

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The action, (an actual M77 Hawkeye) once cleaned and lubed, is smooth but a tad "Clicky". Rotating the extractor out of the way, the coating worn off the back of the lugs is pretty even, indicating good alignment. The action itself keeps the cartridges more inline than the CZ action I've worked with, so they feed much straighter than usual. The Feed ramp is flat and wide, and has a much shorter jump before the breech than a more traditional CZ or Mauser would. Also interesting is the Ruger extractor collar sits back farther from the boltface than other actions - and will (per the manual) act more like a push-feed. While the magazine only holds 4 rounds, these can be pushed down and the bolt slid over the top, and a fifth round to be "push-fed" into the breech. The ejector is spring-loaded, and sits far back in the action. This makes it easy to "pick off" spent casing from the boltface without getting "pushed out" prematurely, but bringing the bolt back to the stop smartly still flings a casing off quite well. :)

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The stock is well made, with good mating to the rest of the rifle (buttstock, pad, etc.) The LC6 trigger has a nice wide face to it, and a smooth pull before a "quiet" break. The safety is the usual M77 3-position, with lock-up, safe load/unload, and fire. Personally I prefer this style, as it gives an extra margin of safety with loading/unloading, and keeps the bolt locked down when walking in the woods. The bolt handle also acts as a "third lug" when closed down in the rifle.

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The sights, while simple and not "accurate", are great. The rifle is quick to the shoulder, and points like a German Shorthair. I find the balance on it is better than most rifles I've handled, but that's a personal preference (I found the 16.5" GSR to be too rear-heavy with a very light nose that wandered easily.) The rear sight is windage adjustable, and is sighted for 50yds from factory. The front sight is a large white bead in a typical Ruger front sight ramp/band. I assume the sight is replaceable with other front sight blades, but I don't know if the rear sight's dovetail supports the other Ruger rear sights. The rear sight IS robust however - not likely to break off in any condition.

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The magazine floorplate drops via a switch pressed-in to the triggerguard. It requires a moderate push to activate, nothing that will come loose too easily. The bottom of the pistol grip has the "Ruger Guide" emblem, similar to the GSR emblem, but using the Ruger Phoenix in lieu of the Gunsite Raven. The grips are checkered plenty, and the checkering on the fore-end wraps ALL the way around, offering a sturdy purchase on the gun. Two crossbolts are placed in the laminate stock to keep the already solidly mounted action in place. I found the buttpad VERY soft, and has a good smooth mating to the spacers and buttstock.

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The muzzle brake was very tight and fit nicely up front. I haven't bothered to remove it, as I really wanted to check out the noise factor when I shot it. NOTE: The rifle does NOT come with Sling Swivels - but these are perhaps some of the more ubiquitous and easily-acquired accessories for a rifle one can find.

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The rifle IS a tad heavy at 8.1lbs - but when pointed, it actually feels the same as my ~7.4lb CZ 550 FS. Holding them in each hand, though, you can tell the Ruger is a tad more weighty. For me, wrapping a hand around the action and floorplate offers a VERY neutral balance, and a very controlled twist/swing to maneuver the rifle through thick brush. I'll figure out how heavy it is on the shoulder soon.

Despite the awesome balance, great form, and comfortable grip/stock, the idea of a 20" .30-06 still somewhat intimidated me - as I come from 9.6lb Mosin's and lately the very light kicking 6.5x55. I had some Prvi 180gr SP to work with so this morning I finally got out in the backyard to pry off a couple...

....and SWEET MOTHER OF...well...SOFT. :what: I'm not exaggerating when I say that my 9.3lb Swedish Mauser launching 120gr loads kicked harder than this sucker pushing 180's downrange. Not to mention, and even more surprising, the noise and blast was definitely less than an AR-15 16" BBL w/o hider...maybe same as with hider. The rounds impacted in the snow (only did 2 to test kick and noise) RIGHT above the little white dot - which was amazingly visible due to to the black base it sits on. The kick is VERY linear, and with the brake equipped, it really doesn't jump at all. I need to do a water bottle and accuracy test next.

Oh, and for the record, it's a 1:10 twist, 6-groove. SHARP, Clean grooves, pretty smooth bore.


Overall, I'm impressed. I snagged up some Woodleigh 240's from Midway a bit ago while on clearance - just in case they stopped carrying...and I'm sure that brake and pad will help when I start making loads with those little babies. :p

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(240gr pictured next to a Hornady 160gr RN .264)

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Would I recommend? HIGHLY. Same as, if not more-so than the GSR, to be honest. I was not expecting the brake to be that quiet when shooting, and certainly was expecting it to kick harder than it did.

Accuracy tests will follow in time. Don't hold your breath though, as I haven't even gotten dies yet.
 
Looks great. I'm very interested in a Ruger Guide Gun. I have not seen one in a shop yet but I suppose it is a matter of time. I am thinking .338 or .416 (which has only recently been listed not he Ruger site.)

Great write up and great pics - thanks for the review.
 
great write-up! my '06 sports a 22" bbl, but is easily a full pound lighter and recoil certainly does not garner attention. i'd be interested to hear how she handles with just the thread protector installed.

any specific purpose in mind for this rifle? i look forward to hearing of the 240gr loads when you get them worked out.

is the rear sight adjustable for elevation?
 
Helluva review. Overall I think it's a good looking rifle. Nice to see open sights on a bolt gun again. However I must agree with the others. I don't care for that recoil pad!
 
Nice pics and descriptions. After owning a couple of GSR's (that I really like), I wish I had also bought the Alaskan, but may now get the Guide Gun. If I'm going to buy a rifle with that action length, I likely will get the .375 or .416 Ruger.
That butt plate looks to be the type where some of the spacers can be removed to properly adjust the length of pull like the GSR. Despite what other posters say, IMO if you get serious about gun handling and shooting lots of rounds through it, after one hundred rounds per day from different field positions it will be a welcome addition. That is a true working rifle to be used, carried, banged around, and not babied.
You will find that pretty rifle to be addictive; it is incredibly stout, and reliable.
 
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Great writeup and you made me want one but I'm confused about the ding. These rifles should not have a coating but are bead blasted stainless steel.
 
I bought mine for three reasons- the recoil control, the laminated non-warping stock, and the sights.
Ugly or not, that rifle comes up on the shoulder in a hurry & the sights align themselves. I don't have to do it, by the time the rifle's fully shouldered all I have to do is decide where to put the bead.
I own one other rifle that does that, coincidentally another Ruger.

Both are quick-reaction close-in guns that can run out a bit farther if they have to.

The Guide is loud with the brake, but even without it recoil's very tolerable with the gun's weight.

I've got all the spacers installed on mine, I have to or the bolt hits my face on cycling. :)
Denis
 
MERRY CHRISTMAKWANSIKAH! Or, Happy December 25th! :p

A few replies for things...



back40: great write-up! my '06 sports a 22" bbl, but is easily a full pound lighter and recoil certainly does not garner attention. i'd be interested to hear how she handles with just the thread protector installed.

any specific purpose in mind for this rifle? i look forward to hearing of the 240gr loads when you get them worked out.

is the rear sight adjustable for elevation?

Thanks! I wanted a good "do-it-all" rifle. Think a Scout rifle, but with less concern for action OAL or round count. Something that I could easily get or make ammo for, and that I could go from mice to moose with. My end goal has been a 1 rifle/1 pistol setup...as crazy and masochistic as that sounds. I may make an exception for a .22LR and a 12ga of some sort down the road.
The rear sight is windage ONLY. They were intending on express sights to be used at 50yds, which is the usual shooting distance for close-in DG work. I like it since if I have to go out beyond 50 to 100yds with accuracy, I'll likely be using a scope.

MachIVshooter: Good looking rifle.........if you ignore the fugly butt plate, barrel band and muzzle brake.

Why on earth did they do that???

All features that would be wanted or ideal on a rental DG/Guide Gun rifle. I read somewhere that the GG was intended for pro hunters/pro guides to buy and use as rentals/backup guns for people - hence the adjustable stock. The other features are by request from guides to Ruger.

dprice3844444: 8.12 lbs almost 1200 retail,yikes

$950 street. Like most Rugers, they MSRP much higher than they actually sell. As I discussed in another forum, by the time you get a Ruger 77, chop/thread the barrel, add in a stable stock with adjustable buttpad, add sights and include a tuned brake AND matching muzzle piece, with rings, you're often above $950. If this thing was actually $1100+ I would never have gone for it.

splithoof: Nice pics and descriptions. After owning a couple of GSR's (that I really like), I wish I had also bought the Alaskan, but may now get the Guide Gun. If I'm going to buy a rifle with that action length, I likely will get the .375 or .416 Ruger.
That butt plate looks to be the type where some of the spacers can be removed to properly adjust the length of pull like the GSR. Despite what other posters say, IMO if you get serious about gun handling and shooting lots of rounds through it, after one hundred rounds per day from different field positions it will be a welcome addition. That is a true working rifle to be used, carried, banged around, and not babied.
You will find that pretty rifle to be addictive; it is incredibly stout, and reliable.

TY, agreed. :) I thnk the GG stock is marginally bigger than the GSR stock - the buttpad feels slightly taller, and the foregrip feels a bit bigger too, but otherwise they are siblings. The GG stock is also made for the R77 Hawkeye, whereas the GSR stock is proprietary to the GSR action.

Also - DPris - Agreed on your thinking. I'm northeastern US, so my shots are all similar, and the rifle does the same with me (as mentioned in the review). The only other rifle that set the sights up like that was the Steyr Scout, and that was setting up the 2.5x Leupy rather than irons.

CraigC: Great writeup and you made me want one but I'm confused about the ding. These rifles should not have a coating but are bead blasted stainless steel.

TBH I don't know how they did the finish on it. I do know that the front of the barrel band missed the finish (rather than the barrel itself), but if I find it that much of a problem I'll just send it back up to Newport for them to finish the job. :rolleyes:

mainecoon: How does the recoil on the Guide Gun compare to a standard 30.06?

The end of the review goes into recoil. I'd say it's at least 65% less than the '03 Springer sporter my buddy has. Not exaggerating - it kicks less than my 6.5x55's and a tad more than a 5.56 AR. It was designed to bring African Magnums down to sporter-rifle recoil, so on a service/sporter cartridge, it's a tad overkill. ;)
 
Mine shoots a shade high at 50, higher at 100.
Once I get a load worked up for it (either 180 or 200), I'll see what it does.

Ruger says it was set up with input from Alaskan guides, and it actually carries over the one single feature I did like on the Scout- that stock.
Good steel bottom metal, no plastic or alloy.

The spacers ooglify it greatly, but mine was not bought for looks.
Undecided on whether to leave the brake on, I might just go with the cap.
Also considering just having the threads milled off completely.
The weight does a lot to hold recoil down.
Difference, for example, is night & day between it & my old '06 International. :)

I can see the thing being a drumbuster with the brake in close timber.

I tried mine with the brake, the weight, and bare naked threads.
Point of impact did vary slightly, but in general no more than you'd expect in changing ammo brands.
Denis
 
Nice gun! I have an RSI in 30-06. It has an 18" barrel, same sights and full length stock. Wish it had a thicker barrel though.
 
Where did you get an RSI with those express sights????
Denis
 
I don't think I knew of this rifle till now. The rifle looks to be as well thought as the review. I'm really looking forward to some shooting updates.
 
I have a receiver sight on my International, custom front blade. The original sights that came on that rifle were about worthless.
I consider the two guns to be set up for different purposes.

The International is usable for general hunting & longer ranges.
The Guide's for quick up-close uses.

I can't pick up sight alignment anywhere near as fast with the International's aperture, they just don't line up automatically like the Guide's.
I don't need anything beyond 50 for those scenarios.
Just for me & my purposes. :)
Denis
 
Hey, I've never shouldered ANYTHING that came up so quickly and naturally as a custom shop Winchester .375 with express sights. Wish I'd had the $3500 to bring it home. When it works, it works. ;)
 
It'd be nice to be able to pull off a $3500 rifle, huh? :)

Amongst the accumulation here, I have specific gun for specific uses.

If I want to shoot farther with irons, I have the International & a couple other rifles.
If I want to shoot farther than those, I have a scoped gun or two.

For close-in stuff, I have the Marlin & Ruger Guides, along with the Ruger Compact Magnum in .308 that also shoulders & aligns instantly, with a better front blade than the factory had on it.

I don't have one do-it-all rifle or one do-it-all handgun.

Different tools for different needs. :)
Denis
 
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