After that you get a crisp 5-6 lb trigger pull almost identical to a stock 1911.
seriously??????????????????????
Ive got a glock with a 2# trigger and its still NOWHERE near as nice as a 1911's...
After that you get a crisp 5-6 lb trigger pull almost identical to a stock 1911.
In all fairness it's not sloppy trigger discipline, rather a different platform and a new learning curve. Not being used to a lighter weapon that is harder to steady for one. Big difference. It's like telling the guys who had M14's that they were undisciplined when they had to switch to the m16. Totally different weight and recoil.The number of Glock legs is simple. There are tens of thousands of police officers who transitioned from DA revolvers to (basically SA) Glocks. And of those tens of thousands of police officers, at least 10% of them are "gun owners who exercise sloppy trigger discipline." Of those 10%, 1% of them are now gun owners who will probably never exercise sloppy trigger discipline, again.
I remember asking you if you ducked when you wrote this!After that you get a crisp 5-6 lb trigger pull almost identical to a stock 1911.
Hope you ducked!seriously??????????????????????
Ive got a glock with a 2# trigger and its still NOWHERE near as nice as a 1911's...
The three safeties are listed as a trigger safety, firing pin safety, and drop safety (the interaction of the trigger bar and frame).GLOCK pistols are equipped with the “Safe Action”® System, a fully automatic safety system consisting of three passive, independently operating, mechanical safeties, which sequentially disengage when the trigger is pulled and automatically reengage when the trigger is released.
in layman's terms the trigger should not fire unless you pull the trigger.The three safeties are listed as a trigger safety, firing pin safety, and drop safety (the interaction of the trigger bar and frame).
"Interaction between the trigger bar and frame" is surely referring to the trigger safety that must be depressed for trigger safety to slip through the slot in the FRAME so that the TRIGGERBAR can advance. But what do I know. I understand how the gun works. You read an Advertising brochure meant for the common denominator, written by an english major turned marketing editorr. Excuse me while I go and load my HK with the bullets facing backwards.
All of which convinces me that some Glock fans really don't know much about their favorite pistol.
Jim
First of all, the "Safe Action" on a Glock refers to the gun not being fully cocked until the trigger is pulled.
They are not a manual firing inhibitor thumb switch, if that's what you're asking.
Why Glock continues to tout this as a "safety" is beyond me. It's not.
No. The purpose of safe action is that when you take your finger off the trigger, the gun is holster/drop-safe.
smovlov said:Does the M&P work the same way?
The number of Glock legs is simple. There are tens of thousands of police officers who transitioned from DA revolvers to (basically SA) Glocks. And of those tens of thousands of police officers, say 5% of them are not only "gun owners who exercise sloppy trigger discipline," but they also handle firearms, daily. Of those 5%, 1% of them eventually become gun owners who will never exercise sloppy trigger discipline, again, because they finally learned the hard way.
The Glock trigger safety is superior to decockers and active safeties in one important way. You CANNOT forget to engage it. The gun is ALWAYS drop safe. It's not the only gun that has passive drop safety. It's just one of the first to be be completely 100% drop safe 100% of the time, passively. Drop safety is just ONE of the potential reasons for a manual safety. And there are some guns with a manual safety that are also passively drop safe. So the Glock trigger safety is not a replacement for a manual safety, nor is it designed to be. It is just one part of the system that makes a Glock drop safe.
The number of Glock legs is simple. There are tens of thousands of police officers who transitioned from DA revolvers to (basically SA) Glocks. And of those tens of thousands of police officers, say 5% of them are not only "gun owners who exercise sloppy trigger discipline," but they also handle firearms, daily. Of those 5%, 1% of them eventually become gun owners who will never exercise sloppy trigger discipline, again, because they finally learned the hard way.
If you have a full grip on the gun, then unintentional pull will fire the gun.
Schwing said:I don't disagree with this exactly but there were tens of thousands of U.S. troops who also transitioned from 1911s and DA revolvers to 92s and the term "Beretta leg" never came to be.
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I forgot about that part. Does the M&P work the same way?
burk said:This is also the reason why a grip safety doesn't really add any advantage when it comes to preventing "Glock leg". The reality is when holstering or unholstering a firearm the grip safety is disengaged by most people anyway. When you are holstering a Springfield XD if you have your finger on the trigger, the chances are you will get Springfield leg.
The only thing a grip safety prevents is a gun going off in a struggle when it isn't gripped properly.
Lots of things are doable. But the reality is a vast majority of people disengage the grip safety on a pistol merely as normal practice in holstering and un-holstering a firearm. In fact the natural motion for presentation of a pistol is to form your grip first as your unholstering a gun. I've handled plenty of Springfield XD's they are fine guns but I'm not convinced in any way that their grip safety would prevent "Springfield leg" if you were to depress the trigger during presentation or when placing your pistol back in the holster. It's not a natural motion to unholster and holster a pistol without your normal grip on the firearm.Nope and nope. A grip safety is far more likely to save you from "X brand leg" than accidental discharge in a struggle. It is easy enough to take your hand off the grip safety of an XD for reholstering. A bit more difficult to do on 1911s or pocket AMTs, but still doable.