Savage Axis Boyd's Stock

[model4006]

I just purchased a Boyd's thumbhole stock for my Axis in 223, the rear action screw fits but the front one is too short. Can anyone point me to where to buy the correct screw?

Im pretty sure its 1/4-28 thread, I found this

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/12...-with-laminate-stock-hex-head-stainless-steel

it looks right but it says its for a model 12 and I don't know if that's the same.


I also have a Timney trigger and even though I haven't tightened it down yet it feels like it binds up when I just tighten the rear action screw. Does anyone know for sure if the Boyd's stock needs clearanced for the timney trigger?

 

[model4006]

Bump

 

[Hunterdad]

I'd contact boyds and let them know what's going on.

 

[model4006]

I plan to but it's the weekend. The only time I ever have to fool with things everyone is closed lol

 

[skeptical_in_Ohio]

That seems odd - I have a Boyd's Thumb hole stock for the Axis (in .223) and it was a drop-in replacement, using the original screws.

Good luck with your situation.

 

[FiveInADime]

I just purchased a Boyd's thumbhole stock for my Axis in 223, the rear action screw fits but the front one is too short. Can anyone point me to where to buy the correct screw?

Im pretty sure its 1/4-28 thread, I found this

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/12...-with-laminate-stock-hex-head-stainless-steel

it looks right but it says its for a model 12 and I don't know if that's the same.


I also have a Timney trigger and even though I haven't tightened it down yet it feels like it binds up when I just tighten the rear action screw. Does anyone know for sure if the Boyd's stock needs clearanced for the timney trigger?

I've heard you need to make some space for one of the adjustment screws on the Timney trigger when going into the Boyd's stock. Look and see where it's binding. I think some have used spacers and some have modified something to make it work.

 

[model4006]

Boyd's was no help at all. The lady told me that I should contact Brownell's or Savage for screws to fit their stock.

Umm what? Why would Savage know what screw fits another company's stock?

Anyway she also said "I kinda remember someone saying something about the Timney trigger but our stock works with factory parts, I can't guarantee anything else."

Ok fair enough, I can figure that one out but I doubt I'm the first person to use this stock with that trigger.



I can't look and see where it's binding yet because I can't even screw the receiver to the stock. Guess I will call Savage...


Skeptical in ohio can you remove your two action screws and lay them next to each other and post a picture?

 

[hardluk1]

Boyd's Stock makes ALL of the stocks use by savage on there rifles but with the axis not being offered with wood it in your hands to figure it our. Measure what you need for a bolt to touch the action screw hole subtract an 1/8th to 3/16ths and you can more than likely find what your need locally or call savage and ask for parts . For all of use a few years back we bought stocks from boyd's and screws and bottom metal from savage or DIP when factory synthetic stocks where replaced.

You may have done better buying from boyd's directly. They tend to be more helpful too that way. I am one of the guys that soent time talking with them about stocking bottom metal from savage for us so we could buy everthing in one localtion and not have to deal with savage directly too. Maybe you can do the same for the axis.

You can use a roto zip to grind away a little material so a aftermarket trigger will fit. Not an uncommon practice with some make triggers. Rifle basix trigger kit would have dropped in.

I used black oxide machine screws from the local quality auto parts store not a chain store to get my screws I needed.

 

[model4006]

Boyd's Stock makes ALL of the stocks use by savage on there rifles but with the axis not being offered with wood it in your hands to figure it our. Measure what you need for a bolt to touch the action screw hole subtract an 1/8th to 3/16ths and you can more than likely find what your need locally or call savage and ask for parts . For all of use a few years back we bought stocks from boyd's and screws and bottom metal from savage or DIP when factory synthetic stocks where replaced.

You may have done better buying from boyd's directly. They tend to be more helpful too that way. I am one of the guys that soent time talking with them about stocking bottom metal from savage for us so we could buy everthing in one localtion and not have to deal with savage directly too. Maybe you can do the same for the axis.

You can use a roto zip to grind away a little material so a aftermarket trigger will fit. Not an uncommon practice with some make triggers. Rifle basix trigger kit would have dropped in.

I used black oxide machine screws from the local quality auto parts store not a chain store to get my screws I needed.

I did buy the stock directly from Boyd's, which is why I was disappointed they offered no help.

I tried Home Depot, gander mtn, 2 gun shops, lowes, and a parts store. Im sure its a fine thread bolt but nobody in this town sells them i guess.

Ive been on hold with savage for 25 minutes so far waiting to talk to someone.

What a pain in the ass...

 

[hardluk1]

I going to tell you to go over to savageshooterscom as there a loooong running 26 page tread on the boyd's stock and it seems there a few prototypes that got out. Maybe you have one.

Boyd's CS is all over the forum getting a couple guys fixed up . It seems reading the tread the stock screws work fine unless something is wrong with the milling of the stock.
So use it looking here . One stock was shown to be a 9-27-13 date stamped around the front screw hole. See what your see.

Leave out any BS and just post a help guestion on the forum AFTER you read it first.

I did read on post 239 that the front screw would only get 1 teadin but after it was torqued it ran in 3 full turns . A note of anyo ther that bought a longer bolt and cut it down to work !! So get over there and learn what you need to know. Become a member.
http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?29093-Laminate-replacement-for-AXIS-BOYDS

 

[jimmyraythomason]

From the Boyd's web page:http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product.htm?pid=5852 Should work on the Axis as well.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

I have replaced several plastic stocks on Savage bolt guns with wood stocks and have always had to get extended length screws. I have always purchased them from Boyd's but they are also available at many gun parts/supply houses.

 

[model4006]

From the Boyd's web page:http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product.htm?pid=5852 Should work on the Axis as well.

That's rather amazing since I called and the lady at Boyd's said they don't even carry screws.

I talked to Savage (finally) and they sold me a couple screws, hopefully one will work.

I'm sticking to my guns, this shouldn't be the least bit complicated, if it needs different screws the stock should come with them. I don't know of any Axis models that come with a wood stock, in the YouTube video on Boyd's website they say "the only downside of the Axis is the plastic flimsy stock", so why the confusion over whether it needs new screws or not?

Also I had to wait about 7 weeks for them to make the stock, then also wait for the hardware which was "late from their supplier", I am assuming it was the trigger guard. So if I waited that long I would hope its a "new" stock, not a freakin prototype from 4 months ago.



To this day I still don't (and probably never will) understand forum mentality.... go read 26 pages instead of asking a simple question... lol yeah sounds great

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION BLAH BLAH BLAH :banghead:

 

[skeptical_in_Ohio]

Ok fair enough, I can figure that one out but I doubt I'm the first person to use this stock with that trigger.
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Skeptical in ohio can you remove your two action screws and lay them next to each other and post a picture?

First, sorry for not seeing this sooner. Second, I went with a RifleBasix Trigger, not a Timney so your mileage will vary (I didn't catch that in the original post). The RifleBasix trigger fit pretty much just like the stock trigger.

Three pictures - one with everything on the table, the other two the screws laid on a tape measure (slight parallax, but the bottom of the heads were placed as close as I could on an inch mark). The shorter screw went in just in front of the mag box; the longer one fits in the front hole of the trigger guard.

Pictures are at different resolutions, but the tape measure should hopefully provide a reference. The thicknesses are a bit distorted as well - the screws are as near as I can tell the same diameter (and use the same size Allen wrench).

Hope this helps.

 

[model4006]

First, sorry for not seeing this sooner. Second, I went with a RifleBasix Trigger, not a Timney so your mileage will vary (I didn't catch that in the original post). The RifleBasix trigger fit pretty much just like the stock trigger.



Three pictures - one with everything on the table, the other two the screws laid on a tape measure (slight parallax, but the bottom of the heads were placed as close as I could on an inch mark). The shorter screw went in just in front of the mag box; the longer one fits in the front hole of the trigger guard.



Pictures are at different resolutions, but the tape measure should hopefully provide a reference. The thicknesses are a bit distorted as well - the screws are as near as I can tell the same diameter (and use the same size Allen wrench).



Hope this helps.

Wow man thanks for the info! Your screws are definitely the same as my original ones. I wonder if the stocks are sometimes made different? I got a pepper featherweight thumbhole.

I appreciate you taking the time to do that, still confused though lol.

 

[skeptical_in_Ohio]

Wow man thanks for the info! Your screws are definitely the same as my original ones. I wonder if the stocks are sometimes made different? I got a pepper featherweight thumbhole.

I appreciate you taking the time to do that, still confused though lol.

You're more than welcome.

I have a Featherweight Thumbhole in Nutmeg. I will say that the rearmost screw of the two (longer one that goes in the front of the trigger guard) had what felt like a couple of threads, in that it felt as if threads were engaged, then it slipped in further, then finished tightening up (if that makes sense).

I just looked at a picture of the Timney; it looks pretty much like the RifleBasix and the original - I don't see any difference that should've caused problems.

Another possibility - I can't lay my hands on the install instructions, but I seem to recall something about checking that the recoil lug was seated properly. May be nothing; may be something.

Best of luck to you.

 

[varanid]

question: have any of ya'll noticed these help with recoil or grouping? Or is it mostly a looks thing?

 

[skeptical_in_Ohio]

question: have any of ya'll noticed these help with recoil or grouping? Or is it mostly a looks thing?

In my own opinion (worth every penny you paid), I believe the thumb hole gives me a little better purchase on the stock, which translates (from what I can tell) to greater stability while aiming and firing.

A bit of history. I got the Axis, then put a RifleBasix trigger on it (lighter and more positive pull with no creep or overtravel). The groups got a little better.

Later, I got the stock, and have noticed improvement even over and above the addition of the trigger. I also seem to be a bit more consistent.

And yes, the doggone thing looks nice too .

 

[Mohave-Tec]

Never heard of that. Mine fits. If the screw isn't working, your action is not properly seated in the stock.

This picture is all over this web site. Axis 223 with Timney trigger and first run Boyds featherweight thumbhole stock.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

ATTENTION CUSTOMERS: New action screws are needed if your action screws are shorter than 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 respectively. These are sold separately in our gun parts section on the left hand side of our webpage.

I took this directly from the Boyd's catalog listing for Savage bolt action rifles.

 

[Mohave-Tec]

Guess I was lying or my gun came with different screws. Good luck guys.

 

[robMaine]

I just got a Feather Weight Thumbhole in Nutmeg and I am not very happy. First the magazine cut out was mis-sized and required some fitting, then I noticed that the barrel channel is nowhere near free floated and will require some serious sanding.

The real icing on the cake is that this stock(maybe just mine) will not fit with a timney trigger. I have filed down the wood to make room, however, if I torque the action screws down to a reasonable level(20 in/lb), the sear adjustment screw hits the trigger guard and prevents the trigger from being pulled.

I was really looking forward to this stock and have been very disappointed so far.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

It is your responsibility to confirm the dimensions of your firearm with the supplied dimensions of our part.
All finished parts have been CNC inlet to Boyds' House Action. Variations may exist from firearm to firearm, minor fitting may be required to get that perfect fit to your firearm.

Also from the same page.

 

[robMaine]

Also from the same page.

That is perfectly fine, but the amount of fitting I am having to do is a little ridiculous.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

I never had to do much fitting but I did have to do some. Boyd's has the least amount of fitting needed(in my experience). I've used Bishop, Reinhart-Fajen, Richard's Micro-Fit(which required BY FAR more fitting than all the others) and found Boyd's stocks require the least amount of fitting. YMMV however.