SCCY Self Discharge?

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No, I did notice though if the safety is not fully engaged and the trigger is pulled back about 1/4 way and then if you push the safety all the way the hammer releases, so i'm wondering if something is wrong with the safety, at the range he did say he did engage and disengage it. It has been sent off to sccy for review as they wanted to have a look at this pistol, he may get the same one back or get a new one in exchange.
Reno
 
Rubber_Duck said:
Your son is lying to you. He shouldn't own guns if he's so careless. I'd be embarrassed too about firing a gun negligently so I suppose I don't blame him for trying to place blame on the gun.
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Corpral_Agarn said:
If that is possible, I would find a new gun to carry.

For all those who are calling OP's son a liar: knock it off.

Be suspicious all you want (I am) but you weren't there and if this was my son, I would believe it happened as he said it until proven otherwise.
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At some point, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

You know, I watched the President of the United States claim he was not a crook. Turned out, he was.
 
While Im in agreement that that gun did not fire itself, I think it uses the same action as a Keltec p11 right? Its maybe conceivable possible (extremely unlikely) that the trigger WAS pulled immediately before being laid down, and a hangfire caused it to wait a minute. This is really the only thing that could explain the time lapse, though the trigger would still need to be pulled, and the angle seem impossible. That said, Im in agreement, someone was probably playing with it. Ill add people are talking about the hammer sticking while the slide comes forward. Hard to believe with a P11 (those hammers have about 40lbs of pull) but ive never handled the one you have, and it may well be lighter. -------Maybe the hammer was tweaked halfway up, and setting it down dropped it on the pin lightly enough to cause primer to hang, and burn less than a minute later? That I could actuallly believe if you have a hammer hanging problem verified, and it could explain about all the oddness, except the table anyway. Any chance he still has the fired case from the incident? A shallow primer dent would be a good tell----------
 
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While Im in agreement that that gun did not fire itself, I think it uses the same action as a Keltec p11 right? Its maybe conceivable possible (extremely unlikely) that the trigger WAS pulled immediately before being laid down, and a hangfire caused it to wait a minute. This is really the only thing that could explain the time lapse, though the trigger would still need to be pulled, and the angle seem impossible. That said, Im in agreement, someone was probably playing with it. Ill add people are talking about the hammer sticking while the slide comes forward. Hard to believe with a P11 (those hammers have about 40lbs of pull) but ive never handled the one you have, and it may well be lighter. -------Maybe the hammer was tweaked halfway up, and setting it down dropped it on the pin lightly enough to cause primer to hang, and burn less than a minute later? That I could actuallly believe if you have a hammer hanging problem verified, and it could explain about all the oddness, except the table anyway. Any chance he still has the fired case from the incident? A shallow primer dent would be a good tell----------
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MJSdwash,

Did you not read the thread?

1. The OP has said his son was able to reproduce the issue on the range.
2. I posted the link to a youtube video where the person in the video describes the hammer getting stuck, then dropping on its own randomly at a later time.
3. Some posters talked about how the act of racking the slide could result in the DAO hammer getting stuck in the "back" position...perhaps due to a metal spur or some other reason.
 
lordhamster said:
MJSdwash,

Did you not read the thread?

1. The OP has said his son was able to reproduce the issue on the range.
2. I posted the link to a youtube video where the person in the video describes the hammer getting stuck, then dropping on its own randomly at a later time.
3. Some posters talked about how the act of racking the slide could result in the DAO hammer getting stuck in the "back" position...perhaps due to a metal spur or some other reason.
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yes, I did read the thread, did you? The key issue at hand is that the firearm discharged some time after being set down. Thats the big point of argument, finding an explanation of how thats possible. A hangfire, or earthquake or magic are really the only explanation for that, even with a hanging hammer. I don't think it was magic, and I think an earthquake would have been mentioned. I watched the video, and only saw someone talking about how his trigger didn't work after a trip to the factory.
 
Well, since we're all apparently still on different pages here is my take:

- Hammer on the SCCY can "hang", not fully at rest and with enough tension to result in a discharge when released.

- If the hammer is "hung", the spring will be acting against the friction hanging the hammer in place. I'd reckon the result of this would be a slow, "random" release later.

- Slamming a door sure seems like an earthquake in my old house. Maybe the son had it hung good and when he went back to the car he slammed the door and that jostled it enough to result in a discharge shortly after.

Boy, this is a scandalous time for gun safety! I say that half jokingly because of all the P320 hullaballo lately but tbh a "hung" hammer and a discharge of this nature is actually kinda terrifying. I never buy budget so I would not likely have owned an SCCY but I understand why folks do go budget and jeez I mean that's about as bad a defect as one can imagine.
 
SCCY contacted my son they found some Quality Control issues with the hammer and will be addressing the issue, he may receive a new frame, if they decide on doing that they will inform him. So I guess one got by past QC. It seemed smooth to me, but I am no gunsmith and did not tear that weapon down as far as the manufactuer would have. But esitimated time about one more week before he gets it back.
Reno
 
Reno380 said:
SCCY contacted my son they found some Quality Control issues with the hammer and will be addressing the issue, he may receive a new frame, if they decide on doing that they will inform him. So I guess one got by past QC. It seemed smooth to me, but I am no gunsmith and did not tear that weapon down as far as the manufactuer would have. But esitimated time about one more week before he gets it back.
Reno
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Sell it as soon as it gets back, and never look back! Seriously, Shields are going for 350 right now.

What a great company SCCY is, they put out a deadly dangerous weapon, and may give you a new frame?!?! I'd be looking at lawsuit at the minimum.
 
mjsdwash said:
The key issue at hand is that the firearm discharged some time after being set down. Thats the big point of argument, finding an explanation of how thats possible. A hangfire, or earthquake or magic are really the only explanation for that, even with a hanging hammer. I don't think it was magic, and I think an earthquake would have been mentioned.
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I agree. Earlier in this thread I did mention the possibility that the pistol was devil possessed. Firearms simply don't fire on their own, untouched while laying on a table for a period of time. It's possible that some things are simply impossible no matter how much we try to prove otherwise.

Yo Mama said:
What a great company SCCY is, they put out a deadly dangerous weapon, and may give you a new frame?!?! I'd be looking at lawsuit at the minimum.
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MedWheeler said:
^^ Lawsuit, huh? For what?
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For what, indeed. Take the devil to court; not the gun.
 
Even if he was the sue you type, which he was raised differently, they have the pistol now, and if he did go to court and won, he might get the value of a 9mm bullet and one used table, so maybe 75.06? Still have not heard yet, they may just remill the frame and double check the hammer, I don't know yet.
Reno
 
Reno380 said:
Even if he was the sue you type, which he was raised differently, they have the pistol now, and if he did go to court and won, he might get the value of a 9mm bullet and one used table, so maybe 75.06? Still have not heard yet, they may just remill the frame and double check the hammer, I don't know yet.
Reno
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He should get a new replacement pistol, period. Then sell it.
 
Get out while you can. I can't imagine carrying such a weapon with confidence and if he liked the gun well enough he should just get the original from Keltec. I've never heard of this problem from Keltec proper and they are known for QA issues, so I can't imagine how much worse the SCCY is if this is how it manifests.
 
First of all, I'm grateful no one was hurt.
I own a Sccy CPX-2 and have had it maybe 3 months. I carry it daily. After about 800 rounds at the range, I like the gun. It does exactly what I ask of it. It stays available, goes off when I want it to, and stays unfired when I want that. I don't see how my pistol which has a heavy trigger pull and no half-cock notch of any sort, can be sitting on a table, fire when untended, and send the bullet through the table into the floor. That's not saying it didn't happen. But, then, I'm a teacher, not a gunsmith or engineer. I'm curious to know more. Pending a finding of design or workmanship flaws, I'll continue to carry my gun.
 
Bbra said:
First of all, I'm grateful no one was hurt.
I own a Sccy CPX-2 and have had it maybe 3 months. I carry it daily. After about 800 rounds at the range, I like the gun. It does exactly what I ask of it. It stays available, goes off when I want it to, and stays unfired when I want that. I don't see how my pistol which has a heavy trigger pull and no half-cock notch of any sort, can be sitting on a table, fire when untended, and send the bullet through the table into the floor. That's not saying it didn't happen. But, then, I'm a teacher, not a gunsmith or engineer. I'm curious to know more. Pending a finding of design or workmanship flaws, I'll continue to carry my gun.
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From what I gathered, he took off his belt and holster, the holster is a belt thru hole type, or how ever you describe it, I believe people here understand the type I am talking of, but he placed it on the table for the moment so now his gun is pointing downwards at a angle, he went outside to help his brother, is wife and his brothers gf with groceries and what ever to bring inside and that is when they heard the bang, they did not know what it was at first, then he noticed his pistol moved from where he had it and there was the hole, they found the bullet in the tile on the floor. He received his gun back, a completely new one, they decided to keep his old one. They sent him 2 extra magazines and a check\voucher good for up to $50 on anything to use for the gun, even ammo, and a letter explaining how sorry they are, the highest quality is their main objective, they are handling this internally and will no longer need to contact us type of letter.
Reno
 
Reno380 said:
From what I gathered, he took off his belt and holster, the holster is a belt thru hole type, or how ever you describe it, I believe people here understand the type I am talking of, but he placed it on the table for the moment so now his gun is pointing downwards at a angle, he went outside to help his brother, is wife and his brothers gf with groceries and what ever to bring inside and that is when they heard the bang, they did not know what it was at first, then he noticed his pistol moved from where he had it and there was the hole, they found the bullet in the tile on the floor. He received his gun back, a completely new one, they decided to keep his old one. They sent him 2 extra magazines and a check\voucher good for up to $50 on anything to use for the gun, even ammo, and a letter explaining how sorry they are, the highest quality is their main objective, they are handling this internally and will no longer need to contact us type of letter.
Reno
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I'm glad to hear no one got hurt and the manufacturer are trying to take care of him. Scary occurrence . I would have a hard time putting that in the back of my mind. And would not feel super comfortable with the gun untill a few hundred rounds at least. Good luck to your son!
 
Reno380 said:
From what I gathered, he took off his belt and holster, the holster is a belt thru hole type, or how ever you describe it, I believe people here understand the type I am talking of, but he placed it on the table for the moment so now his gun is pointing downwards at a angle,
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Their ain't a holster out there that would be taken off still attached to a normal belt. An LEO's gun belt is a whole different animal, doesn't go through loops.

I get the same thing many others did from this story; it was a ND followed by a fabrication to avoid embarrassment. No insult intended, but a true DAO piece with a shrouded hammer and inertial firing pin placed on a table will not fire itself, let alone with a near-vertical trajectory. The theory that the hammer could have hung goes away with that trajectory, even if one believes the gun could be carried all day, then set down on the table, only to go off when completely undisturbed.
 
LoL @ the LCP picture.

Some of the accusations in this thread are not very "high road", imho.

It's good that no one was hurt, and that the honest son was vindicated.
 
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