School Unfairly Treated Me?

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Crunker, what you will need to understand is that if you really wish to figure out why certain things happen and what you can do about it, you will need to buckle down and go to work.

The first thing that you will have to accept is the concept that "if it is not on paper it did not happen!" This means that you will need to figure out how to document what is going on around you. That means who, what, when, and why. From personal experience I would recommend that you do not make a big deal about your effort. Don't talk about it, throw it up in peoples faces, or any of the standard "I'm Young and Dumb, Watch Me!" activities. Do not keep all of your records on your person, authorities can read and if they trash them you are SOL.

Find and read all of the rules that pertain to you. If you have a question or do not understand what you read, find a non-school person to try and help you. When you are reading the rules keep a dictionary handy so that you can get a better understanding of the true meaning of the words that you read. An english grammar book can also help. The fun thing is that as you read the rules you should start to see the seams and cracks that will allow you to move around them. You will also see the limitations that you will have to deal with. While it is great for the ego to run around waving your arms and hollering it should be remembered that you will also draw attention to yourself and paint a bullseye on your back. Most often, no matter the effort, the authorities cannot control everything which means you have options. Remember, however, that the Universe runs with rules and failure to adhere to them can have fatal results. You don't have to like it, but you do need to survive within the rules.

It's not "Live Free or Die!" rather its "Live, Be Free, and watch them Die!"
 
Originally posted by Arsyx: That's how the school system is now days. Even with religion, some schools have banned the wearing of the cross and still allow Muslim students to wear their religious apparel. If you wore a t-shirt with the Glock logo on it, you'd be suspended but if you wore a Fubu shirt with a picture of a Desert Eagle on it explaining it as the man killer thugs weapon of choice than that's ok.

When I get into college I will be a ghost. I will not speak of my views on religion, politics, weapon control, or even hobbies. I'll be a loner for all I care, college just isn't the place to make friends anymore.
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:rolleyes:

Do you have any proof that the schools are favoring Muslims or is this just some anti-Muslim sentiment you have? Any proof at all? How about proof that it is ok to wear FUBU with guns but a Glock tshirt is off limits? Links? Anything?
 
Originally posted by KiltedClaymore: one thing i have come to know is that no matter how many rights you have, you will never be truly at liberty without removing government all together! However, i do not see this happening in the near future. Wouldnt work anyhow due to people being imperfect, but an idealist can dream. but same thing happend to me to except they were looking for explosives. this whole thing got started when someone was putting mexican made m-80s and silver salutes in trashcans around school. meanwhile, i had mentioned that i was going to New Mexico for thanksgiving and would most likely purchase fireworks. big ones. mortars and such. about 2 days go by and i get called into the office where i was cuffed by the officer there while my backpack, vest, and pockets were searched. they thought i had explosives with me all from mentioning fireworks. they found no such articles on my person, HOWEVER i did get saturday detention for a Pro-IRA essay i wrote for a current issues class. and my vest has a slogan on it promoting the IRA. familys irish, been raised a supporter, what can i say?
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Do you realize what you wrote? Someone is blowing off fireworks after you suggested that you were going to buy illegal fireworks. And to top it off you write papers in support of terrorist organizations. And you wear clothing supporting terrorist organizations while your in school.

IRA = AL Quaeda. Its essentially the same thing. IRA engages in terrorist activities in the name of religion so they are the same in my book.

So your a SHARP? Great. Most people dont understand the difference between SHARPs and other skins.

Lose the terrorist IRA crap and maybe you wont get into trouble.
 
Joe Demko,

Are you really unaware of all the news stories that have glaringly illustrated the fact that rights in school are practically non existent? The boy who was suspended for drawing a crude picture of a gun? The girl who was suspended for bringing a tweety bird keychain to school? The kids who expressed anti-gay opinions who were sent home, while those expressing pro-gay opinions were welcomed?

There is a painfully long list of news stories that just show more and more of the same. It matters not what is written or expressed by school administrations across the country. In the end, what matters is what is done. And what is done is VERY different than what is said. The reality is that there are no rights to freedom of expression in school. To continue to say otherwise is to ignore the obvious.
 
As I understand, the interpretation and application of school policy and practice is determined by the superintendant and administration. That office answers to the school board. School board is elected. Would seem to me that enough static from parents/tax payers to the board and in turn to administration could get some of the stupidity straightened out.

I wonder how many have attended a school board meeting?
 
Well a poor subject here in NC also.
The schools are run like mini internment camps at the whim of a few. My child is an A-B student, 3 sport athlete, very religious and wears all his values on his chest is very proud and speeks his mind. I encourage this as well as teach hm to protecthimself as well as his values.

BUT he can't where an American flag without being told to remove it, the Mexicans can wear Mexican flags and do daily. :uhoh:
My son can't wear shirts with sleeves above his lower armpits, yet the gays can (Male) wear mini skirts up to their pie hole. :confused:
My son has been asked to remove his Ruger or S-W hat yet the fairies can wear fairy wings in school and walk as if they are floating(don't ask). :eek:
I asked the Principal to explain the mini skirt to my small daughter at a school event a few weeks back and I was labeled the trouble maker when I demanded he explain to her and her friends why boys are allowed to dress as so. He walked away as he was preaching the bible to me explaining how I should forgive others. My son can make a fool of this man when it comes to scripture and he knows it.:)

The school systems with their ZERO TOLERANCE has gone to hell in recient years. I explain to my kids just go get good grades and get out.
 
I don't know if the original poster is reading this thread but I'll chip in my two cents.
Just tough it out kiddo. You are in "indian country". It will be over soon. It will seem an eternity from where you are but it will pass.
You may want to consider a VoTech school to maybe get away from all the liberal madness.
Personally, I think the education system of this country has gone into the toilet.
 
I'm not trying to get anything done here, I'm just trying to understand why the school did what it did so I can get over my confusion.
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Stop trying to apply logic and reason to the capricious nature of tyrants (and go look up capricious).
 
Originally posted by 45frank: BUT he can't where an American flag without being told to remove it, the Mexicans can wear Mexican flags and do daily.
My son can't wear shirts with sleeves above his lower armpits, yet the gays can (Male) wear mini skirts up to their pie hole.
My son has been asked to remove his Ruger or S-W hat yet the fairies can wear fairy wings in school and walk as if they are floating(don't ask).
I asked the Principal to explain the mini skirt to my small daughter at a school event a few weeks back and I was labeled the trouble maker when I demanded he explain to her and her friends why boys are allowed to dress as so. He walked away as he was preaching the bible to me explaining how I should forgive others. My son can make a fool of this man when it comes to scripture and he knows it.

The school systems with their ZERO TOLERANCE has gone to hell in recient years. I explain to my kids just go get good grades and get out.
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What school district is this? Do you have any sources that say it is ok for gays to wear mini skirts but boys not being able to wear tshirts? Or this a crying out for the imagined intolerance of yourself?
 
This argument is missing the point. Those defending the public school system say that there are no policies that demand intolerance for non-PC views.
This is true. However, the problems exist in HOW the administrators apply their policies (or fail to apply them).
The same problems exist in higher education, all students are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Examples?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303796,00.html

http://www.aproundtable.org/tps.cfm?ID=2356&issuecode=gen

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2007-09-11-0027.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/09/28/wallet.suspension.02/

http://www.zerointelligence.net/archives/000443.php (the linked articles within the blog have expired)

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06050802.html

http://public.cq.com/public/20070122_courts.html

and I'm tired of linking.

The problem with this request is you are asking for documentation of how the school system fails to apply it's policies. By the nature of a non-action, there will not be stories about how a school didn't suspend people.
 
Communism and tyrants

Not having read the whole thread end-to-end...

My daughter used to wear a "Scottsdale Gun Club" tee-shirt to her high school all the time and nobody ever said a word.

Schools ought to be teaching our young folks how to be strong and independent in the real world. Instead they teach them how to lay down and take it. Before I stopped reading this thread (about half way) I saw many people suggesting the OP just shut his mouth and put up with it, reasoning that he doesn't have much school left to put up with.

Wrong. Don't put up with it. THIS is your education, pal. If you feel wronged, don't allow them to bully you. If you don't know how to handle the situation correctly and maturely, find someone you respect with those qualities and ask advice. And FOLLOW that advice.

My older daughter (mentioned above) once had this situation during her senior year...

She was to attend a dinner for her DCE class, and invite her boss from work. All students were to put in $15 for this dinner. As she actually had to work on the night the dinner was scheduled, she did not attend, and notified her instructor as such.

The end of the year rolls around and several students did not pay as many of them could not attend anyway. They were threatened by the instructor with having their grades withheld until after the graduation ceremony unless they paid up. She would have gotten her diploma no problem, but not walk in the ceremony. Very important to her.

She comes home and tells me. I went off right into left field, asking what the hell this guy was teaching. I ranted on and on about how this was a demonstration in communism, and how his tactics are exactly those used by tyrants to oppress, ect, ect. It was all sort of tongue-in-cheek, and although I did kind of mean it, I didn't fully intend for her stomp in there looking for a fight. $15? Pfff. I'd probably just have given it to her to shut the the guy up.

Well, I guess she took notes. She went in the next day looking for the Dean of Students. I guess she presented her problem, then, apparently, she recited almost verbatim what I had the night before... WITH CONVICTION. Communism, tyrants, the whole thing. :uhoh:

She walked in her graduation, did not pay the $15, and her instructor got a reprimand.

You have no idea how proud I was. :)


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Originally posted by 45frank: BUT he can't where an American flag without being told to remove it, the Mexicans can wear Mexican flags and do daily.
My son can't wear shirts with sleeves above his lower armpits, yet the gays can (Male) wear mini skirts up to their pie hole.
My son has been asked to remove his Ruger or S-W hat yet the fairies can wear fairy wings in school and walk as if they are floating(don't ask).
I asked the Principal to explain the mini skirt to my small daughter at a school event a few weeks back and I was labeled the trouble maker when I demanded he explain to her and her friends why boys are allowed to dress as so. He walked away as he was preaching the bible to me explaining how I should forgive others. My son can make a fool of this man when it comes to scripture and he knows it.

The school systems with their ZERO TOLERANCE has gone to hell in recient years. I explain to my kids just go get good grades and get out.

What school district is this? Do you have any sources that say it is ok for gays to wear mini skirts but boys not being able to wear tshirts? Or this a crying out for the imagined intolerance of yourself?
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This is in Western NC. Anyone who is deemed a minority has their a___'s kissed at the expense of the rest. Only about 6 gays in the school but they are allowed to act this way or the school systems fears a law suit. Yes it does say no skirts above a certain point for a girl and yes it does say no shirts above the armpits for males. Nowhere does it address gays. No place does it say anything about the flag. I've been told by a teacher the one who made my son remove his is that the wearing of the American flag is disruptive because the mexicans make it so.
My sons HS is about 40% minority, my daughters elementary school is 70% minority you guess what one.
The local board lets each school official basically do as they please with the hands off approach.
 
Do you have any proof of this? Otherwise it is hearsay. I have a feeling that there is more to the story. So your upset because gaykids are wearing miniskirts? Do you have a school policy that says this is allowed? I think it is just an example of trying to blame the gays/mexicans/minorities/Muslims for their problems. Sort of a passing the buck if you will. All I am doing is asking for documentation of this.
 
Well all I really wanted to know is whether or not the school treated me unfairly by threatening to suspend me but leaving students with firearms-related apparel totally alone.

Instead, I'm getting suggestions on how to make a bunch of noise! Which I have no intentions of doing. While I'm still in school anyway.

I am keeping my head well under the radar nowadays. I imagine that the school's goal was to scare me into not spreading non-PC ideas, if that's they case they are 100% successful. Welcome to America kids.
 
Yes crunker, they mistreated you. It will not be the last time you are mistreated. The question is what are you going to do about it? If your parents are not ready to challenge the school, you are at a disadvantage. Do have the resources to buck the system and win? If not are you willing to buck the system and deal with the consequences? If not, then grin and bear it. I know this sounds rather cold, bit it’s what successful adults deal with every day.
 
I will have more than a little to say to my high school administration after I've graduated. Until then, I'm keeping my head down and avoiding attention.

Expect to hear more from me about this in about a year and a half, including contact information for my high school.
 
Originally posted by Crunker1337: I will have more than a little to say to my high school administration after I've graduated. Until then, I'm keeping my head down and avoiding attention.
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This is probably your best bet. I was kicked out of high school for questioning the establishment and for being an independent thinker. However I realize the error of my ways.

Your best bet is to take it to college where you will get a lot of crap but also respect if you show respect.
 
Originally posted by Thernlund: Oh good grief. Why?
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Because I would like the truth to be spread or proof that what they are saying is real. I cannot stand people who claim to be victims of injustice and hearing how society is against them and offer no proof or that the deck has been stacked against them without proving it. I am sorry but its just that I dislike this Jesse Jackson victim-mentality.
 
I cannot stand people who claim to be victims of injustice and hearing how society is against them and offer no proof or that the deck has been stacked against them without proving it.
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I see. I work for many attorneys. I imagine you as an attorney. Although you sound young so maybe you're in law school? If so, you obviously haven't learned the difference between the LETTER of the law and the SPIRIT of the law.

This is a discussion forum. Nothing will be solved here. Why can you not just make a few minor assumptions and indulge the OP? Instead, the assumption you do make are that the OP has slanted the story. Ever heard of good faith?? Look at the SPIRIT of his post rather than the LETTER. Yeah?


-T.
 
Public schools aren't fair. They're not set up that way. I can remember way back when in '64 when the Beatles became popular. there was a major up-roar in our school. The end result was that the school banned pictures of the Fab-Four.

Today, guns are the demon instead of the long-haired rock stars of yesteryear. :)
 
Tecumseh Do you have any proof of this? Otherwise it is hearsay. I have a feeling that there is more to the story. So your upset because gaykids are wearing miniskirts? Do you have a school policy that says this is allowed? I think it is just an example of trying to blame the gays/mexicans/minorities/Muslims for their problems. Sort of a passing the buck if you will. All I am doing is asking for documentation of this.
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Would you like me to send you pictures or something. They are usually floating around the HS football games maybe I'll send you a photo if I come across them this week. I've seen it, my 10 year old daughter seen it, my son has to go to school with it. No there is no school policy about gays dressing, yes there is a school dress policy as I stated.:uhoh:
This is my kids first year of HS and it's been years about 10 since I've had to deal with HS's and it's a shock. Schools don't want to deal with ANYTHING out of the norm for fear of a lawsuit.:cuss:
 
Crunker1337, keep your head down, study hard, and graduate. Go to college. Graduate. Be something.

You'll win no fights with school administration, even if you are right.
 
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