Schools Ban Patriotic Clothes, Flags

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It makes me sick, that these people have the audacity to betray their country.
Here is their contact info, if you opt to write them in a respectable manner, as I did, they may feel the heat. Interestingly, I could not find any information on their website regarding the issue. Interestingly, it seems to directly violate their official policies. I am going to post any response that I get.

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Office of the Superintendent
Parent Support & Board Services
(619) 725-5525 - Phone
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ArmedBear- The Confederate Battle Flag was not the KKK's primary banner. Interestingly, they often carried American Flags on their marches.
 
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This is the real flag for Americans who hold to the ideals of America before the days of the "imperial empire" that rules us peons from the ivory towers of Wasington, DC.
 

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Let 'em try and ban this.

In Cupertino California a school actually tried to ban the reading of the Declaration of Indepence. I'll let you guess why

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Just seems like a safety issue to me. Schools often limit what kids can wear at school. My school didnt allow us to wear hats or sports jerseys because of problems with gangs. I see the same thing going on here with the flag issue. The school is simply getting rid of something that might disrupt the learning enviroment.

The United States flag is not a display of gang colors, and We the People are not gangstas.

Learning environment? You mean the indoctrination environment, don't you? What can kids learn from a display of political correctness and cowardice? The schooltenders are afraid of the alien thugs in their midst, of mobs--that's the truth. This is how societies die, by fouling their pants.

All of this is utterly reprehensible, and I predict it won't be tolerated.
 
I've a good friend on the O'side school board. I know for a fact she has no anti-US agenda. Nor do any of the teachers I know in the district. Keep in mind that many of the kids on Camp Pendleton attend O'side schools. Race based gangs Black/ Samoan/ Mexican are some of their lessor problems. This is from the local paper - The North County Times.



OCEANSIDE ---- Oceanside Unified School District officials said they were inundated with phone calls Tuesday by angry people who believed incorrectly that the district had taken down all of its American flags as part of a ban to quell immigration-related protests.

The district has temporarily banned individual flags brought to campus by students, but the ban does not apply to the district's American flags already on campus on flagpoles and in classrooms, officials said Tuesday.

The ban went into effect Monday, the first day back to school after the district closed its middle and high school campuses for two days last week in the wake of student protests against proposed federal legislation that would make it a felony to migrate to the United States illegally.


District Superintendent Ken Noonan said the decision to stop students from bringing flags to school was all about keeping children safe on campus.

"Kids who've never carried a flag to school in their lives were carrying flags to school just to make things boil," Noonan said. "We (banned individual flags) this week to reduce the tension and keep the passions down."

District spokeswoman Laura Chalkley and other officials said the district's phone lines were ringing nonstop Tuesday, when the district fielded calls from concerned parents, news organizations nationwide and community members who were under the incorrect impression that the district had banned all flags on campuses, even the large ones that wave prominently in front of its schools.

"Some parents are under the impression that we don't have flags in our classrooms and on our campuses," Chalkley said. "That's been a major misconception. There are flags on campuses and students are still saying the Pledge (of Allegiance) every morning."

Noonan said another major concern expressed by callers and news organizations was that students' civil liberties had been violated because they could not exercise their right to free speech by carrying a flag.

"One of the first things we did (before instituting the ban) was call our attorney," Noonan said. "We were told that we can put some limitations if there is an outstanding reason to do that. This was to create an aura of safety on campus. I think it's calmed things down."

The district's attorney, Dan Shinoff, said he spoke to Oceanside school district officials last week and believes that prohibiting students from bringing flags to campuses is constitutional and appropriate "during the instructional time and anything that would be disruptive to the educational process."

The district's decision cannot be based on the substance of protests, but on violence or threats of violence associated with it, Shinoff said.

"I think as a result of the events of last week, it required the district to be extra vigilant, and the school chose to be on the side of being preventative," Shinoff said.

The focus of the district's decision-making was whether students were at risk, Shinoff said.

"From a school standpoint, the issue is one of articulated potential threats of violence," Shinoff said. "They used their best judgment."

Noonan said he hoped the district can lift the ban on students bringing individual flags ---- American, Mexican, and those of any other countries ---- and "patriotic clothing" to campus by next week.

Meanwhile, American flags were unfurled on campus flagpoles Tuesday throughout the district's campuses and students still recited the Pledge of Allegiance, as they always do. And Tuesday was like any other school day, according to district officials, campus administrators and students interviewed after school.

On Monday, however, two students at El Camino High got into a fight over the immigration issue, according to Chalkley. One student was injured, but since no weapons were used the fight was not reported to police, she said. It is not uncommon for fights to occur on high school campuses, she added.

Chalkley said Monday's fight at El Camino was proof that things could still get heated on campuses.

"The flags were being used to elevate the level of conflicts between students and the feelings are still there," she said. "We need to be cautious. We need to keep the emotions down."

El Camino Principal Dan Daris said Tuesday was calm.

"(Monday) we had an extra (police) officer on campus," he said. "Today, everybody has been doing what they are supposed to be doing."

Oceanside High senior Stacie Garvin, 17, was walking home from school with friends Tuesday afternoon and said campus life was back to normal after last week's protests and demonstrations. She said it's probably a good idea to keep the flags out of students' hands for now.

"Bringing flags to school was never a big deal before," she said. "And now people were just using them to start fights. For the time being, (the ban) is a good idea."

Another Oceanside High senior, Elizabeth Mendez, 17, said she was glad things have been calm. "Some people didn't even know what they were protesting."
 
It just doesn't happen that way. Give me one major repressive thing that California started that moved into the rest of the country.

The "Assault Weapons" Bans. It started in California after the schoolyard killings in Stockton.
 
STW ~

Don't post facts! Facts are really annoying, and get in the way of soul-satisfying rants!

:rolleyes:

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pax
 
I have a plan.

My state ...oh nevermind. Like I said, I gotta plan.

Ban Public Schools.

Instead of wasting all this money on legalese, schoolbuses and the monies for fuel , upkeep and maintanence of schoolbuses, parents worried how kids are dressed for school , be it just regular clothes, or uniforms ( which I am against to keep shorts getting wadded ) , guns, knives , pink petunia day or whatever else Public Schools whine about...

All that money saved. Now every kid gets internet connection and a computer.
Classes are online.

Teachers can use the school bldg as a central point to conduct these online classes, and if need the students come in for hands on labs or hands on exams. One bldg can handle more students much like a College Campus does.

Yes I know the political machine, lawyers, and whiney butts won't like it. I mean it will cut down on the amount of graft that goes on...cut down on the amount of Indoctrination that goes on for Tyranny agendas...

Still - the reality is the focus should be on Education, too much money earmarked for kids getting educational resources - gets used for other things.

Society is getting more and more Global , and the Computer and Internet is going to more of a part of everyday life than they already are.

Maybe some families will not have to have both adults working full time jobs to pay for the taxes that generate the monies that do not go to the kids education...that misuse of monies, legalese again.

So the kid gets an education, an adult is more involved in the kids education and can shape the kids values more in line to theirs instead of Gov't Indoctrination.

Who cares if little Johnny or Susie are in jammies learing how to read with a Scooby-Do miniture flag on the computer desk...I don't , beats the hell out of State Uniform codes and learning to do boot step marches to the beat of Indoctrination while worried about that # 2 pencil with a Flag from the hardware store in pencil bag.

I have taken semesters of nothing but online classes.

I was CCW-ing , and had gun books, loaded mags, and piddled with shotshells, Silly Putty, firearm parts and who knows what else and perused this site , while participating in Online class discussions. Who knew - Who cared?

Heck a lot of my current on Campus Class material is taken from and submitted via Online learning resource tools such as WebCT or Moodle.

Kids may as well get real world exposure - will be doing it anyway.

Private, Parochial schools have uniforms for a different reason.

Ban Public Schools I say.


Steve
 
I'd worry a lot more about a kid graduating from high school and being able to read his fershlugginer diploma, read a ruler and make change than whether or not he had some "right" to be involved in anything political whatsoever.

No teenybopper ever had an original thought beyond continuation of the species, and that thought has not been "original" for a long, long time. They're in school to learn, not try to tell the rest of their classmates what to do, what to think--much less the grownups.

The school gets an "A" on this one...

Art
 
America IS a democracy.

Phetro said:
DEMOCRATIC? You want democracy, go live in a socialist nation. THAT'S what democracy is: tyranny by majority rule. American government was created on the system of a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. NOT a democracy.

The "democracy" misconception is so widespread now--thanks to the media and politicians (on both sides of the aisle, of course) pretending it's true--that even people on otherwise right-thinking sites like THR have fallen for it?!

This is too much. This has to be stopped and corrected.

Phetro, the misconception that is being spread is that America is not a democracy. You are confusing the more general term "democracy" with the specific term "direct democracy." Consitutional republics and direct democracies are both types of democracies.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=democracy
de·moc·ra·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
 
TexasSIGman said:
The story that "so goes California goes the rest of the country" only applies to rap music and fashion.

It just doesn't happen that way. Give me one major repressive thing that California started that moved into the rest of the country.

Other than smoking bans and assault weapon laws, there's the 50 BMG ban (not law anywhere else but getting close) and "clean fuel" that do virtually nothing to fight pollution, and make up poor by costing twice as much.

As for "bashing", what else would you have us do? You have opportunity after opportunity to fight all of the repressive things your state gov't does, but you don't, you just sit and take it. It's not bashing, it's surprise and pity we feel for the citizens of California.

You have no idea what you are talking about. We do fight, and harder than people in most states. What other state has a gay pro-RKBA group? We are just too outnumbered here.

Personally, I am a member of NRA (EZPay life), GOA (life), GOC, CRPA, and 2AF, I send out lots of letters every legislative session, always vote and always vote for RKBA candidates. I am (indirectly) involved in a lawsuit over an AR of mine that was seized along with 218 others last January by the Cal DOJ.

You recently had THE perfect case to lobby for concealed carry, almost identical to the case that got CCW in Texas and other states. Did you do anything about it? Nope. Not a peep. Not even an attempt.

The only reason the Luby's case in Texas was big was because a woman who lost both parents left her gun in her car and was outspoken about it. The chances of that happening is small.

The "divide and conquer" tactics of the antis are working well here.

Regarding divorcing California from the USA, economically that would be a big loss for the USA. We send out far more tax dollars than we let in. The rest of the country gets cheap fruits and nuts, we get to live with the illegal immigrants. Sierra bullets started in CA. We use our own water, and pay more for out of state electricity so the utilities don't have to charge you more...
 
biggun15 said:
Allow me to let you in on a little hint: We want to choose what we want to wear, the same way you choose what you wear every day.
Uh, my place of work has standards as to what is allowable. Our "uniform" is essentially business casual with more formal business garb also deemed suitable. The only folks who get to dress down are those who expect to do some manual labor. Even then, norm-bending garb is not allowed.

Get used to wearing garb dictated by your employer, unless you are a business OWNER. Then you'll be even more constrained, as you will wear whatever will make your customers happy.

Welcome to the real world.
 
MrTuffPaws said:
I like the idea of school uniforms. I even liked the idea of it when I was in school. Not to mention all of the money the parents would save if they did not have to buy their snotty nosed brat designer jeans.

I call BS. Went to a Lutheran school for two years (worst years of my education, probably aggervated-assaulted twice, didn't expect to survive one of 'em :what: ) and they used uniforms. At like five times market value for clothes, they were so uncomfortable and poorly made (they itched 'til they just hurt) to be nigh to unwearable.

The wealthier kids (tuition kept us on a tight budget; that place was steep!) wore Tommy Hilfiger and/or whatever was popular at the time. I didn't know, nor care, nor do I now. And most importantly, they were all still pricks.
 
Great point! Smoking bans are the scourge of the do-gooders who do no good. What will they do when lung cancer-related deaths don't drop? Blame it on something else, and then ban that too.

Don't be too hard on people who insist upon laws that make it illegal to smoke. Bans like those are for our own good even for those people who don't agree.

Smoking is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

Driving a car without everyone being fastened into it by seatbelts is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

Being overweight is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

Driving over 55 miles per hour is bad and we must stop people from doing it; or, driving over 70 miles per hour is bad and we must stop people from doing it. You choose.

Drinking on Sundays is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

Not mowing your lawn is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

Disciplining children is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

Self-defense is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

Owning firearms is bad and we must stop people from doing it.

There are some principles here. One is that it's all right to control other people's behavior. In fact it's more than all right: it's essential to having a perfect society. Another principle is that it's possible to create laws that control other people's behavior. A good way to do it is to claim that any behavior we don't like is really a public health issue. Get enough physicians to support whatever controls you want to impose on other people and it's certain to become a law.
 
Why don't they go back?

If the United States gets rid of all peoples who came here from foreign countries it will be possible for the buffalo to roam freely again. Dinosaurs too, I think.
 
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