Sexist gun dealers

[Mastrogiacomo]

We don't know what we can buy. We had the Glocks -- we lost the Glocks. To date, the list is quite small and usually used pre 10/21/98 guns. Long guns are a little better....

How much are the prices jacked? A used H&K 9mm sold for well over three thousand dollars. It doesn't cost anywhere near that new. A used Glock 26 is $600, Glock 30 mid-$600-$700. Enough for you?

 

[harpethriver]

Mas-so you haven't had your pic taken in years. Then clearly you've never met Oleg.

 

[mustanger98]

This one shop I used to go to here used to be pretty decent as to how customers were treated but it got horrid; sales guys using condescension and used car sale tactics. I'm a guy and I won't go there at all now. Their prices are through the roof too. :banghead:

This shop I go to now is my first choice for a local outfit. Actually, aside from Midway and them, it's my first choice period. The place is owned and operated by a married couple 36-40 years old. They're nice people. They're neighbors. Every so often, the lady will hold a "ladies night" after hours and her husband said in four hours she'll sell twice what he sold in eight hours the same day. I see a lot of women come in during regular hours too.

In fact, Mastrogiacomo, if you move down to NE GA, I'll point 'em out to you.

Gus, I saw your photos in those couple of other threads. Thought you looked real nice after I got past that creepy one of you with the nut with the shotgun. I know, I know...

 

[JPL]

Present company excepted, of course, Mr. Mtnbkr!

Remember, I've been living in Virginia for going on 30 years.

I've seen the best, the worst, and the VERY worst that Virginia has to offer.

Hell, the Georgetown South that you describe today is a home for the elderly compared to what it was when I was regularly in that area.

 

[firearms_instructor]

Zombie mutant ninja CURMUDGEONS!

Zundfolge, thank you for doing an awesome job of defining The Curmudgeon Factor . I've seen these miserable guys at gunshops over the years, and it's never been much fun dealing with them. And aside from all the legal, defense, and political aspects of gun ownership, I like to shoot because it's fun. So the last thing I want to deal with when buying new toys is the guy who looks and acts like he's had a rotten life and has been sucking lemons. Where do all these sour, bitter, miserable bastidges come from?

TechBrute, you touched on something that has really been bothering me lately: "When I get up beside them, it's some little girl on a cell phone oblivious to the world. " In fact, I was considering posting a rant on the Roundtable titled, "Hang up and drive!".

Lately I have been driving around more than I used to, and I have been noticing how many people drive around with a cell phone glued to their ear, totally oblivious of the traffic around them. It's almost unbearably common, and the thing that gets me is I know that for less than $20 you can buy a remote earpiece/microphone so you can talk hands-free. I got one so that when I need to talk I can have both hands on the wheel, and anyone who can afford a cell phone should have one for their car. For gosh sakes, I see people driving around, holding the phone in one hand, and punctuating their conversation by gesturing with their other hand, as if the person on the phone could see them! I can tell who's on the phone from a half-mile down the road, they're usually going too slow, or weaving, or changing lanes without signaling, usually abruptly.

Now, I'm no fan of the nanny state, and I don't believe in throwing legislation at every one of life's little problems. But in the UK they made it a traffic offense to drive while talking on the cell phone, they'll give you a ticket. I hope that doesn't become necessary here.

OK, enough rant, thank goodness for all the pleasant, friendly gun dealers and conscientious drivers out there.

 

[stealthmode]

your father should of stepped up and said how rude that the guy was and made a scene and talked to the manager and say he would not buy a gun from an establishment that will discriminate against his daughter. you probably could of gotten a good deal , just a thought

 

[farscott]

OTOH, my little local shop has a thriving female clientele, and as far as the owners are concerned, we're all a bunch of gun-nuts and family.

Erik F,

Which local (close to Kennesaw) shop?

 

[outofbattery]

Not to hijack the thread, but after looking at this list of 'Not for sale in Mass.' guns, WHAT CAN YOU BUY??????

And, how much do prices get jacked up on the two or three brands of stuff you can buy?

They seem to actually be a bit cheaper here than in FL and NC , the last 2 states in which I looked at guns Pre 98 guns that are legal go for a bit more than usual - forbidden fruit and all - but there are only a handful of guns I'd like to buy but couldn't : namely a cheap Steyr or 2 .

To give you an idea of what I paid for the last few pistols I bought and where for the MA folks : used Sig 230 .380 $350 ( Collectors Coin Gallery ) , NIB Sig 2340 .357 $389 ( the aforementioned Four Seasons www.fsguns.com ) , holster wear only-never fired Ruger SP101 3" .38 $220 ( Powderhorn Outfitters ) , used S&W 469 Welovethe80's 9mm special $249 ( Four Seasons ) refurbed Glock 22 .40 $399 ( Four Seasons ) , Walther P22 .22 $239 ( Four Seasons again ) , S&W 99 .40 $399 ( FS ) . < FWIW I keep a *gun jar* and it comes out to ~ $400 each month , more if I raid the * car and bike jar * , that's why my price range seems a bit limited and also why I'm headed up to get _sumthin'_ tomorrow ) Given the restrictions we have , I don't think I'm poorly armed or getting hosed too bad on the prices even though I'm sure that you could do better elsewhere .


Much like buying a car , if you buy something you really don't want and pay too much it's your own fault .

 

[GSB]

This thread is depressing. I would have hoped we'd have progressed beyond this crap as a society. I guess there are still a lot of dinosaurs out there, regardless of age.

 

[GUNSMOKE45441]

When my lady walks into our gunshop of choice, even though they're very busy most of the time, the clerks all greet her by name every time.
I think they know that if I see something I like, she'll sneak back in, and buy it. OBTW it's a 100 miles to that store.

 

[bigjim]

Mastrogiacomo said: Honestly, I never planned to buy any of the guns I looked at -- there. I just wanted to handle them. I typically buy at the Four Seasons which beats them in selection and price but I was curious to see how they felt

Is it possible the clerk picked up on the fact that in addition to being female
you were by your own admission there to waste his time? Maybe he is a new age touchy feelie kinda of guy. Being the sensitive kinda guy he is supposed to be nowadays?

Seriously, why did you not speak up and look him in the eye and call him on his "sexist" behavior. " hey buddy, I am a buying customer just like the next "guy" and if you want to sell me a gun you need to treat me better.
That is what a man would do. Maybe that is why men get better treatment?

Of course standing up for yourself to get what you want would not have been to useful here since you did not want anything.

It has always kinda bothered me that women want to be treated just like men, but are almost universally unwilling to adopt the behaviors and attitudes that make male interactions work.

This may not apply to this poster but it does having meaning when applied to feminists at large.

I know I know why should women have to play by mens rules? Answer is you don't. But men don't have to change the rules because you ask sweetly either.

 

[Mastrogiacomo]

Well, first off -- I've handled guns with only the intention to see how they felt at other stores and I was never treated this way. Secondly, I didn't feel the need to call this guy on his behavior because I wasn't sure where his attitude was coming from and didn't want to over react if it was nothing. Third, the best way to hit him where it hurts is to take my business elsewhere. The only thing this clerk picked up on was that I'm a lady and he obviously didn't feel I was worth his time. He's clearly not worth mine either so I'll be making my purchase at the gun shop where I've bought all my other firearms.

 

[NMshooter]

I was on the other side of the counter more years than I care to think about. The owner and the original manager were worse than the picture Zundfolge painted. There were customers who would only come in if neither of them was present. Working there some days was enough to suck the life out of me. And I really enjoyed that job in the beginning. Here in Albuquerque it can be quite difficult for anyone to get service at any of the local gunshops. And every time I try to explain things to those folks most of it passes right over their heads. Especially dealing with young folks new to shooting. If you don't encourage more people you get less and less customers, until finally you are out of business. And even with the considerable amount of noise the internet is a better place to learn than most gunshops. I think most shops would disappear if it wasn't for that pesky FFL requirement to sell guns.

 

[GunGoBoom]

That would be irritating indeed. Vote with your $$ - take your business elsewhere, preferably out of MA.

 

[pax]

bigjim ~

Don't be too quick to judge.

When I let things like that slide, it's mostly because I'm aware it is a no-win situation.

If the woman doesn't say anything at all, she's a doormat who is unwilling to adopt the behaviors and attitudes that make male interactions work.

If she does say something, she's a termagant and a bitch and it's no wonder no one behind the counter wants to wait on her. "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

Easier and more convincing to simply take my dollars elsewhere.

pax

A perfectly honest woman, a woman who never flatters, who never manages, who never conceals, who never uses her eyes, who never speculates on the effect which she produces -- what a monster, I say, would such a female be! -- Thackeray

 

[LynnMassGuy]

I have bought 1 gun at Galyans and 7 at Four Seasons if that says anything about how I feel about Galyans. I have met one decent salesman at Galyans. Everyone at Four Seasons is cool. I especially get a kick out of Bob Alex doing his salesman schtick!

 

[gigmike]

I sell real estate and have seen many agents overlook the wife or girlfriend who is often either the main "bread winner" or the decision maker. It's one of the more effective ways to lose a client for life!

 

[bigjim]

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Pax said:bigjim ~

Don't be too quick to judge.

When I let things like that slide, it's mostly because I'm aware it is a no-win situation.

If the woman doesn't say anything at all, she's a doormat who is unwilling to adopt the behaviors and attitudes that make male interactions work.

If she does say something, she's a termagant and a bitch and it's no wonder no one behind the counter wants to wait on her. "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

Easier and more convincing to simply take my dollars elsewhere.

pax

A perfectly honest woman, a woman who never flatters, who never manages, who never conceals, who never uses her eyes, who never speculates on the effect which she produces -- what a monster, I say, would such a female be! -- Thackeray


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There is a one word solution to all this...........
























CLEAVAGE

 

[Mastrogiacomo]

The only way you'll get that from me is to take a photo from behind....

 

[pax]

bigjim ~

You won't do.



(Incidentally, on the subject you brought up, I have long been convinced that any woman with sufficient cleavage and a blouse cut low enough could hide six 1911's about her person without any male ever noticing the weaponry.)

pax

Isn't it cool that men can always be distracted by the unexpected sighting of a boob? It's the only thing that's kept them from completely destroying the world. – "Bev" on the web

 

[DR]

Reading this thread just made me appreciate my local shop (Four Seasons) all the more. So I went a bought a nice little S&W 637 from them. Carl was as friendly and patient as he always is.

Mastrogiacomo, thanks for posting about Galyans. It's good to know about the, ahem, less than satisfactory shops as well as the good ones.

 

[sumpnz]

pax - only 6?

 

[Selfdfenz]

Interesting thread.

I experienced something like this when my son had a school project last year that required some sowing and fabric wrangling skills on the part of yours truely. (single parent, white guy)

Let me tell you I got totally ignored by so many females running the sowing and crafts departments in the local stores it gave me the creeps.

Totally ignored = my son and I standing 2 feet away for 3 women working in a local WM sowing department, hands loaded with felt, thread, hot glue and a bunch of other stuff being totally ignored. Anybody with a lick of sense could have looked at us and known we wanted assistance. They just kept on chatting and pretending to fiddle with whatever is in those big books they keep back there. (That was after being ignored by a variety of different women clerks at several craft stores)

Finally, at the "11th-hour-WM" a diffent lady stopped neatening up rolls of fabric and came over to help. She was a dream and I ended up getting her to help is pick out some fabric to recover the dining room table chairs. She gave me several tips on how to put his project together.

The talkers were white but the helpful lady was black. I guess she related somehow to the fact we were being ignoring. As far as I know the "couldn't be bothered sisters" are still back there looking at those books and running their mouths.

"I guess there are still a lot of dinosaurs out there"...and they aren't always male dinos either

The project turned out pretty darn well if I do say so myself!


S-

 

[bigjim]

If nothing else....PAX, Mastrogiacomo you two are good sports.

I am stilling getting my mind wrapped around reverse butt cleavage.

Last time I saw that was in San Francisco. It was not pretty.

 

[bfox]

Sorry to hear how some of you are being treated .

A little disapointed in the thread . I read it wrong I
thought it said sexiest gun dealers .