She handled it nicely! So now what?

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Cousin Mike

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Took the fiance to the range today. She's been considering a number of guns in .45, and I thought that might be a little too much for a beginner. She's shot my 1911, and even though she liked the kick, her accuracy was less than impressive, even as close as 10-15 feet. I think her constantly hearing me talk to my friends about my faith in the .45 soured her to 9mm as a SD round. Hearing my description of the 9mm kick as 'quick and snappy' probably didn't help too much either. I tried telling her that what I like isn't necessarily what she will like, but she wasn't buying it.

So, I ask her to go to the range with me, and try a 9mm for herself. She agrees, and we head off to my favorite place for a little target fun. The salesman insists on a .22 - she refuses. The salesman insists on a revolver, she refuses once more. Finally, he gives in, and let's her start taking a look at a few 9's. :cool: I tried to stay out of it as much as possible and let her speak for herself.

She picks the Springfield XD in 9mm. An ugly little thing with a green frame, akward handle and ugly slide (not to start anything, it just wouldn't have been my choice). I silently prayed she would pick the Glock 17, but the gods were not to smile upon me today. She said she liked the grip of the XD, and I really wanted her to enjoy herself, so I kept my opinions to myself. We rent it, buy 100 rounds, and I let her have at it.

Now with my 1911 and a 7 round mag, she might hit the target 5 times at 15 feet or less. Usually, it's more like 2 or 3 out of 7. This is only counting shots that hit the silhouette on the target. She's not a bad shot with it when she can focus, but more often than not, her anticipation of the recoil gets in the way and ruins the shot. As a result she tends to get frustrated. Today I wanted to build her confidence. I remind her of how to stand, aim, line up the sights, control her breathing and wait for the shot. I send her target downrange @ 15 feet.

8 out of 15.

Not that bad for someone who has only shot 3 times in her life. I let off a few rounds, and find the sights are off a little. My shots are low and to the left. No biggie. I tell her about the sights, and how to adjust, and send another target downrange.

12 out of 15 :D I'm impressed. She's excited. We send another target downrange for her.

14 out of 15 :eek: She's ecstatic. I'm amazed. I take a few more shots, but I wont bother with my results. We send her last target downrange, and have 16 shots left. I show her how to top feed, and load the last 15 rounds in the magazine. She's got this huge grin on her face, a look I've never seen when she shoots my .45 - I send her target 20 feet downrange, and tell her to go for it.

16 out of 16! :what: She trailed off a little to the left towards the end of the mag, but she kept all 16 shots within the silhouette. She kept her target, and a big ol' smile on her face the whole way home. I was truly impressed! Couldn't have had a much better experience.

I'm posting all of this, and I'm sure by now you good folks are saying
"But, Cousin Mike, why should we give a damn?"

Well, good people of THR, I need some advice. On the way out, our friend at the register asked how she liked the gun. She told him she loved it, but he still recommended a .22 for her to learn with. I think she did just fine on the 9mm, especially for someone so new to the sport, but I am no expert. I taught myself how to shoot, and I learned with a 9mm and a friends .38 (2" barrel). The more guns I got, the more I practiced. I do plan on taking some marksmanship classes in the future, but I am a pretty accurate shot up to around 40 feet or so (the pistol range I go to is a 50ft. range).

I have heard many people say that a .22 is a good weapon to learn to shoot with - I have never fired one. But if she did that well with a 9mm, should she really have to use a .22 to learn properly? She doesn't want one. In fact, she wants a CZ75 B in 9mm from Santa this year. I'm not sure what to think. I want her to be happy, and I accomplished my mission of turning her on to the 9mm round. She doesn't want anything else right now, but I want her to learn shot placement as best as possible. She agrees that's the most important thing, but whenever the word "twenty two" comes into play, her little smile goes away. Her preference is also important, so what should I do?

Thank you all for putting up with my rantings :) Any advice you could give on this subject would be very greatly appreciated and heavily considered. Thanks again in advance for any and all opinions on the subject!
 
Learning on a .22 is generally sound advice, but it is not a law.
I learned to shoot handguns with a 1911.
The biggest benefits of learning on a .22 are cost, learning good sight picture and trigger control and preventing flinching.

If she does not have any fun shooting the .22, then she might as well not shoot at all.

If she can accomplish those goals with a 9, then go for it.
 
Doesn't CZ make a .22 top end for the CZ 75? I think if you got one for her, with the .22 top end, you could persuade her she's able to practice for a lot less $$$ and less shooter fatigue. Yet, she'd still have something with some balls to make her happy Christmas morning. . . besides you.
 
Dislike for a .22 pistol lasts only until you shoot one.

That said, if she is doing fine learning on a 9mm, then so be it. There's no point in forcing a gun at her that she doesn't want to shoot and will resent shooting if she is doing fine on the 9mm. If you make her use one, you might well destroy her enjoyment for shooting (and that would be a tragedy).

The main advantages to the .22 are very low cost and very low recoil. You can shoot .22 all day without any problems or without much wallet damage. One is worth having, even if you already know how to shoot.

My recommendation: buy lots of 9mm (I really liked the XD when I held it, personally), and get a .22 (or .22LR conversion kit for your 1911) for YOUR use. She'll get curious eventually, especially when she sees the smile on your face.
 
If my wife found a gun she enjoyed shooting I'd be willing to spend twice what it was worth for her to enjoy it. :) I say pick up the CZ75 and count yourself lucky that you found a woman who enjoys shooting.

Have a good one,
Dave
 
I think it's more important that she gets the handgun she likes, rather than the one others think is right for her. I might be a better shot today if I started out with a .22 instead of a 1911. But who knows if I'd be as hooked on this hobby and have the enthusiam, if I didn't buy the gun that appealled to me personally.
 
I also learned on a .45, and wish i hadnt... I picked up all sorts of flinching and anticipating recoil, and it took a good chunk of time and practice to unlearn those habits. A .22 is great becuase its a way to learn and practice good technique, and then once you get that down you can move up to a 9 or 45. (Plus the ammo is cheap you can shoot way more then you would with a 45!)
 
Cousin Mike, buy her any dang thing she wants, buy it NOW!!!!!!!!!

Buy yourself a nice 22, I recommend a Buckmark, and let her shoot YOUR 22.

You will both benefit from shooting the 22, and get lots of enjoyment from a $10 brick of ammo. Sacrifice a little now, buy the 22 for yourself, and get that woman HOOKED on guns. You will thank yourself for it later.
 
BullfrogKen said:
Doesn't CZ make a .22 top end for the CZ 75? I think if you got one for her, with the .22 top end, you could persuade her she's able to practice for a lot less $$$ and less shooter fatigue. Yet, she'd still have something with some balls to make her happy Christmas morning. . . besides you.

Yep, CZ makes the Kadet conversion that goes onto a CZ 75 to make it into a .22 for the time being. It might be a good way to do both, and just let her know that she can practice for a fraction of the price. If she still doesn't want to go that route, well at least 9mm is pretty inexpensive ;)

My wife doesn't like the feel of my CZ, so I somewhat envy you. On the other hand, if my wife liked it, I'd have to buy myself another gun just so *I* had something to shoot :D

Tom
 
nothing wrong with learning off the 9mm
Like posted before its not law you have to learn from a 22. sounds like she is doing well with a 9
 
If she doesn't want a 22, then you'd just be wasting your time and money cause it'll never get shot. Get the girl what she wants. The CZ might suit her better than the XD as its a bit heavier and will absorb the kick more. If it don't suit, swap it for somethng that does.
 
Went thru the same thing last week... I got my wife the 9mm b/c that is what she felt good with. I would have thought she would have opted for the smaller .380 but when she said she wanted the 9mm that is what I got her.

She loves saying "that is her gun". I like it too... In fact she even gave the go ahead to get me a new piece... now I can't decide what I want...
 
I say pick up the CZ75 and count yourself lucky that you found a woman who enjoys shooting.

Ditto -- track down a CZ75 for her. Pronto. What a great Christmas gift!

Get a .22 sometime down the road for both of you if you like. Put 1000 rounds each through it and you will both outshoot 99% of the population for less than $300.

Or just stick with the 9mm and your .45.

Beware of the woman with just one gun...she likely knows how to use it!:)
 
9mm with a .22 conversion kit!

That said, my advice is a CZ75 with a .22 Cadet Kit.

btw, honestly, it seems that your fiancee likes the recoil, and since she's doing fine with the 9mm... stick with it. She'll eventually get bored of the .22. In her case, maybe a little too soon.

So, that's why I think a 9mm w. a conversion kit would be the perfect combo for her, and yourself. :evil:

Good luck.
 
The benefits of learning on a .22 are low ammo cost and low recoil...those are also 2 benefits of 9mm. What really puts the 9mm way ahead for her is #1 she likes it and shoots it well, and #2 it is a defensive quality caliber firearm that she can carry (if legal) or use for home defense. Get a .22 later. Have fun!
 
CZ75B? Some women have great taste in guns:)

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.22 is fun to plink and punch paper with, but 9mm makes a great SD choice

Its already been stated .22 is great cheap plinking ammo, but is this for CCW or Home Defense. If your wife is intending this to be a SD weapon, then I would say promote the 9mm. This whole .22 is for women is crap, sounds like some typical salesperson comment. If the lady enjoyed the XD and at 20 yards hits a man sized silouette 16 out of 16, then maybe the XD would be a great choice. Has she had the opportunity to shoot a CZ, although fine pistols most likely, I don't like the way it fit my hands. I'd say rent everything 9mm that place has and let her decide what works best for her.

This is my 2 cents. I tried everything I possibly could, when push came to shove the only gun that just felt right was a Taurus Millenium Pro. I bought the 9mm flavor, it just felt right in my palm. I have never been able to shoot a DA only gun as well in my life. I really think ergonomics has a big factor that comes into play for finding the right handgun and all the advice in the world from others can only do so much, but sometimes you have to find out for yourself what works best.

Anyhow, best of luck with whatever she decides on.

And yes, theres nothing wrong utilizing a .22 to prevent bad shooting habits. A friend has a Walther p22 and its loads of fun. Round count between the 2 of us was lost long time ago, its has held up well, pretty surprising for the cost of the gun brand new, I had assumed it would have seized a long time ago with the way we put rounds through it. Sorry about my rant, but I just hate hearing "Oh, for a female, well .22 is a good choice" I encourage anyone, females especially to shoot as large and powerful a caliber they can handle.

Cheers
Jeremy
 
You guys rock. Thanks for the thoughtful advice, insight, and opinions.. And the pretty picture too :D

The CZ75 will definitely make it under the tree this year - and maybe a conversion kit for one of the household arms as well. I hope my P220 can sneak into a stocking too. Hope everyone else gets what they want as well! Thanks again!
 
I don't know if the conversion kits are as accurate or reliable as a good .22 pistol.
You can get a NIB Ruger 22/45 for about $225, used for 2/3 of that.
These guns mimick the controls of your 1911 and are very accurate and fun.

The lighter .22 rd would be a great for your wife to train double taps and rapid-fire exercises. Once she's comfortable with this on the .22, she can try it with the 9mm.

You're a lucky dog, have fun.:)
 
Mad Chemist said:
I don't know if the conversion kits are as accurate or reliable as a good .22 pistol.
You can get a NIB Ruger 22/45 for about $225, used for 2/3 of that.
These guns mimick the controls of your 1911 and are very accurate and fun.

The lighter .22 rd would be a great for your wife to train double taps and rapid-fire exercises. Once she's comfortable with this on the .22, she can try it with the 9mm.

You're a lucky dog, have fun.:)


+1 on the double taps, .22 is definately the way to train double tap, center mass on a silouette target, like he said, once comfortable, then step up to the 9 mil, once shes able to do that I would advise against ticking her off :D

joking aside, I think your going the right route, conversions are nice because your familar with the same system, the grip, controls etc..... will feel comfortable between the 2 calibers, just the more felt recoil and noise will be all thats different

I think your going to have some good times ahead on the range, best of luck to you and your family

Cheers Jeremy
 
CZ Kadet kits are plenty accurate

Mad Chemist, I have a kadet kit for my 75b and it is more accurate than the 9mm top slide. The sights are target rather than combat style for one thing. The barrel doesn't move like a center fire barrel. It is tightly fitted between the frame blocks so it is very solid.

As for buying your wife a gun get her what she wants. If she is happy with it then you can get what you want later.

A CZ and a kadet kit would be a great choice. The 75 has a steel frame so it is heavy which soaks up a lot of recoil. They are a good value price wise and I was so happy with ny first one I bought four more.

pete
 
Get the CZ but first, have her look at the PCR or the P101 model. They are smaller and lighter if she ever intends to carry, they are the better choice. Worth having her take a look at before deciding!
 
Thanks for the tip on the P-models. I just took a look at a few online, I think she might like them. We're going shooting again this weekend so I'm sure she'll try to get her hands on everything she sees in 9mm.
 
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