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Sheriff Joe's SWAT team burns house down in search for "cop killer" bullets

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  1. Beachmaster

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    Its a pretty long article, but its a good read about how Sheriff Joe's goons burned down a guys house and killed his dog while searching for "cop killer bullets". They only found a legal 9mm and a shotgun.

    Nothing like having your house burned down, your dog killed, and your neighbors car ran over by an armored SWAT vehicle because somebody either made a mistake, or has targeted you with a lie.


    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-08-05/news/dog-day-afternoon/full
     
  2. Don't Tread On Me

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    Welcome to Amerika and the rise of the police-state.



    IBTL
     
  3. Kilgor

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    Two sides to every story. I would like to hear both sides.
     
  4. yesit'sloaded

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    Call me a tinfoiler but "Just after the tear gas canisters were shot, a fire erupted and destroyed a $250,000 home plus all the contents inside." sounds kinda like Waco. I wonder just how many times those tear gas rounds have started fires.
     
  5. ArfinGreebly

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    You may have to wait a while to "hear both sides."

    The journalist in this story is clearly very tilted.

    The story drips with prejudice.

    Tell you what, even though this story is THREE YEARS OLD, I'm going to leave this thread open for the time being, just to see if anyone can dig up "the rest of the story."

    I presume there was a civil case, that there was compensation, and so on.

    Should be plenty of material.

    Looking forward to seeing it.
     
  6. LightningJoe

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    Oh, sure. Be judgmental. Ever tried to arrest a guy with unpaid tickets? Well, until you have...
     
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    I find this statement funny considering they followed up with ........

    $250,000 homes is not atypical in most parts of the country and I wouldn't consider one to be "upscale". That's like calling a trailer park and "estate".
     
  9. 30 cal slob

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    that was 3 years ago ... remember ... we had the housing boom recently.

    might be a $500K house (on paper) now. :neener:
     
  10. sterling180

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    "Cop Killer bullets",certainly makes the whole thing sound like Lethal Weapon2.Any high-velocity round is lethal against cops,duh.
     
  11. wheelgunslinger

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    you can get a sheriff joe bobble head now!

    Here's a link to an article written from another angle.
    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/29756

    And, here's the text:
    Charges urged in raid in which house burned
    Gary Grado, Tribune
    The Maricopa County Sheriff ’s Office is recommending that prosecutors charge an Ahwatukee Foothills man whose house burned down in a raid gone bad with nine counts of endangerment, according to a report released Thursday.

    Each count is for each sheriff’s SWAT team member who entered the home in the 16800 block of South Cyan Court on July 23, and each count carries a penalty range of probation to two years in prison.

    A dog burned to death and an armored personnel carrier crashed into a car during the incident.

    Deputies went to the home to serve a warrant out of Las Vegas and search for assault rifles, armor-piercing ammunition and other guns taken in a burglary in that city.

    Eric Kush, 26, who wasn’t the burglary suspect, refused to come out of the house when SWAT members ordered him to, so they shot tear gas through the windows.

    The SWAT team made its way up the stairs of the twostory home to look for Kush and sprayed his aggressive pit bull with a fire extinguisher, said Sgt. Paul Chagolla, a sheriff’s spokesman.

    Chagolla said the noise of an extinguisher and the plume of fire retardant scares dogs without harming them.

    As SWAT members looked for Kush upstairs, they realized the house had caught fire.

    A Phoenix fire investigator determined that a candle in the bedroom caused the fire when either Kush or the dog knocked it over during the incident, authorities said.

    Deputies had arrested Kush’s roommate, Gabrial Golden, earlier at his probation officer’s office.

    Golden was the burglary suspect wanted by Las Vegas authorities, and he gave deputies information on the layout of the house, occupants and weapons, authorities said.

    The personnel carrier crashed when its engine shut off as a deputy moved it, reducing its braking capacity, Chagolla said.

    The vehicle rolled down an incline and came to rest against the car, damaging its hood and front bumper.

    ___ end ___

    Clearly, both articles are written from a different bias. Diametrically opposite, I'd say.
    For anyone who would like to order the actual Maricopa County records for Kush's case/charges, a form can be found here:
    http://www.maricopa.gov/Clk_board/DocumentRequest.aspx

    Have at it, dogooders.
     
  12. Rem700SD

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    Sounds like a justified warrent, according to the constitution.
     
  13. General Geoff

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    I don't know if it's just me, but if I had tear gas thrown into my house, I'd pick up the damn canisters and throw them back out...
     
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    You try that, and let me know how that works out for ya.:scrutiny:
     
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    I live in Maricopa county.

    Joe is a so-so LEO officer, a competant administrator (more important in a big city than being a good LEO, IMHO), and an excellent manipulator of the press.

    Is NOT a 2nd Amendment supporter, as most of us would describe one. He would like to see Phoenix register all firearms, and has made several public statements re the questionable need for civilians to own handguns.

    Don't let his hard on criminal stance fool you.

    There is a lot of evidence floating around in this county that he is equally hard on political opponents, and not above "finding" evidence against any one who crosses him.
     
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    Then be sure to wear oven mits around the house. Those canisters are designed to get too hot to hold for precicely that reason. Gee, that wouldn't be a fire hazard, perhaps?
     
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    A legal warrent legally served...

    Wasn't there so cannot say, I have to wonder though, was Kush shown the warrent or did a bunch of armed men just scream at him to leave his house? If the former, he needs to be fried, if the latter he was justified. Does Kush have a history of violence that such tactics were justified? If so the last word speaks for itself. I don't know and the papers aren't telling. Unfortunately I've heard of too many abuses with no darn excuses to give the LEO's the benefit of the doubt.

    Amateur driver... When I was put on a tractor I didn't turn soon enough and the disc covered about two foot of a state highway. The owners took turns yelling at me for an hour and I wasn't allowed to operate the thing by myself for the rest of the season. Had it not been my Dad and my Uncle and I'd been older than 13 they would have fired me. Despite the old joke here that MBT's always have the right of way, if a tank or APC were to damage a parked private vehicle the operator would at best be getting a new MOS.


    Selena
     
  18. Zoogster

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    By thier nature they are rapidly burning much like a firework. They do and often have started fires. If they get so hot as to start fires then picking them up while they are burning is not going to feel so good. However I don't think they are designed to be too hot for that reason. They simply get too hot because the nature of rapidly burning chemicals to create irritant gases and something large enough to create a lot of such gas in a short time creates a lot of heat and poses a fire danger.
     
  19. Harley Quinn

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    This article is old but it still is very clear, something went really bad that day for all involved.
    I am wondering what the final legal bill cost the Sheriffs department.:what:
    Any follow up would be good.

    :uhoh:
     
  20. Harley Quinn

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    Just to add. There really has to be a follow up don't you think.
    This is just to bad to be for real. This is AZ not Iraq.
     
  21. Rumble

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    I did a Lexis-Nexis search, but couldn't find anything more recent than the 2004 article mentioning that Eric Kush would be charged with endagerment.
     
  22. S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

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    If you don't come out of a house when the cops tell you to, they're coming in after you. Don't protest the legal system when armed police are surrounding your house. Make your case in court. It's not a perfect system but I'd rather take my chances with a judge and jury than 20 armed and agitated police officers.
     
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    +1 for what spectre said. If the swat team is at my house, I'm coming out. I might be mad as hell, but I'm not doing anything stupid....

    Present your case in court and hopefully clear things up.
     
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    Hi S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

    In the words of someone wiser than I- you cannot expect calm reflection in the shadow of an upraised knife.

    Or if you prefer someone older than Scalia-

    "The verdict would have not the slightest effect,
    As the pig had been dead for some years."

    Remember that I grew up in the Clinton era when the police where generally more violent than the criminals. I would just like to know if they warrent was served or they came up to the house like the barbarian hordes of old saying we will make you respect the law if we have to ignore every statute on the books. No more, no less.
     
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