Shooters World Clean Shot in Rifle Cartridges
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NuclearMeltdown
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Titegroup has published data and is available right now!
Titegroup is another powder that would work for my intended applications. I've shot 8 grains of Titegroup with a 168 grain Speer HPBT in 308. It wasn't terribly accurate, but it worked. Shot about an inch at 25 yards. I ran some 165 grain MBC White Tail #4 with W231. They shot decent enough and were definitely subsonic, but the groups were such that those projectiles are better spent at about 1450 fps with H335.
I looked through my pistol loads and the most common ones I shoot all use W231. I'd like to find a substitute on one side or the other: either low rifle loads or regular pistol loads. My target 9mm and 38 Special loads, as well as my target 30-30 loads all use W231. I'd put it on my cereal if it weren't for the side effects. Titegroup works in one of my 9mm target loads and in my HBWC loads. In that light the answer seems obvious.
I looked through my pistol loads and the most common ones I shoot all use W231. I'd like to find a substitute on one side or the other: either low rifle loads or regular pistol loads. My target 9mm and 38 Special loads, as well as my target 30-30 loads all use W231. I'd put it on my cereal if it weren't for the side effects. Titegroup works in one of my 9mm target loads and in my HBWC loads. In that light the answer seems obvious.
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Clean Shot is Lovex D32-03, Lovex made the Accurate powders prior to Western moving the contract to GD (St Marks). There has been drift of course over the years, but AA2 data reduced can make a good start point. I have seen others in the past load 30-30, 308, and .30-06 with AA2 and Titegroup for soft plinking rounds, as both these powders are not case fill sensitive. You're a big boy, the risk is yours, though there are so many better powders out there to make a soft shooting 30-30 IMHO, and I wouldn't pursue it. if you choose to go this route. Where I'd start is GRT, and model it. Check Load Data to see if anybody else has published this. Research case capacity of old BP rounds that have modern AA2 and TG load data, compare that to bullet weights and case capacity of where you're trying to get to with 30-30. Start low, and take a brass rod to the range with you. When you start this, do not fire a second time unless you have 100% assurance that bullet cleared the barrel...because you WILL very likely stick a bullet working this up. And most importantly, take video and pictures...because if this ends badly, at least you can continue to contribute by documenting it for those who might follow later.
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I tried to download the PDF and it was too large, Adobe being the way it is I couldn't figure out how to compress it either.
This chart www.theballisticassistant.com has proven to be the best as far as charts go. As of this post the site is down for maintenance but should be back up "soon".
It has a comprehensive selection of manufacturers powders that I've seen and will give you a broader "feel" for where a powder might stand, all due caution is of course still warranted but without using GRT or Quick loads it should help.
This chart www.theballisticassistant.com has proven to be the best as far as charts go. As of this post the site is down for maintenance but should be back up "soon".
It has a comprehensive selection of manufacturers powders that I've seen and will give you a broader "feel" for where a powder might stand, all due caution is of course still warranted but without using GRT or Quick loads it should help.
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