Matthew Temkin
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Fully agree.
Especially with trigger control.
Without that even a laser is pretty useless.
Especially with trigger control.
Without that even a laser is pretty useless.
Learning how to hip shoot does not negate the need to practice aimed fire, two handed shooting, flash sight index or anything else.
They all should be in the toolbox of a well rounded combat shooter.
Of course if there are some here who believe they will always have the time, distance, lighting conditions,druthers, etc, etc to always get a sight picture--no matter how course--then more power to them.
But... they used to do it in the Old West ALL the time!! Don't you ever watch movies?!?!I don't exactly see how you would be able to aim at all if you used a handgun from the hip.
both fired off more than three rounds with less than 4 metres between them , all in less than about 2 - 3 seconds
Lasers are FAR quicker and more accurate in a high-adrenaline SD situation. But maybe that's just me.
I have to agree with Sam.Sam1911 said:That is definitely "just you".Lasers are FAR quicker and more accurate in a high-adrenaline SD situation. But maybe that's just me.
I have to agree with Sam.
When I was at Gunsite in 2006 many of the instructors had Crimson Trace laser grips on their sidearms. I talked with them about lasers. They were actually mounting them because they were in the process of evaluating their use. The consensus at the time was:
- They were a slower than using the sights.
- They are useful, however, if postion, posture or circumstances make it difficult or impossible to use your sights.
- You still need your basic marksmanship skills. Without good trigger control you will miss, even with a laser.
Maybe so... but I'm thinking of dim light situations (3 AM invasion) and I know I can't easily use iron sights in the dim light. But, again, that's just me. Of course, if it was so dark I can't identify my target then I'd have to wait for other indicators to know if my target is a threat.That is definitely "just you".
Read this for a more complete explanation: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7340645&postcount=4
But that's beside the fact here, where Lee L. and Old Fuff are explaining their value mostly as a training aid or sighting aid for unusual circumstances.
When employed as a primary sighting system, they cannot compete with iron sights due to how sighting works at high speed. "Front sight, PRESS, repeat." Not "look over your sights and find the bouncing ball."
When employed as a primary sighting system, they cannot compete with iron sights due to how sighting works at high speed. "Front sight, PRESS, repeat." Not "look over your sights and find the bouncing ball."
Well, low/no-light conditions may be an instance where the laser is optimal.
So, for ME, laser sights are the ticket. Yeah, I know I may be weird.
but I'm thinking of dim light situations
That's why we train using a flashlight.Mike1234567 said:...but I'm thinking of dim light situations (3 AM invasion) and I know I can't easily use iron sights in the dim light. But, again, that's just me. Of course, if it was so dark I can't identify my target then I'd have to wait for other indicators to know if my target is a threat.
Not necessarily.Mike1234567 said:...I prefer the light/laser to be on the firearm. Turn it on and I have my weak hand free. IMHO, it's all about preferences.
Not necessarily.
For example, the Gunsite perspective on a gun mounted light: they are good for shooting, but one still needs a flashlight for looking and seeing. Remember Rule Two of gun safety -- “never let the muzzle cover something you are not willing to destroy.” One needs to be able to illuminate something without pointing a gun at it. This was confirmed during the low light exercises in my recent Gunsite class, where I learned from experience that there will be times when one will want to be able to maneuver his light without pointing his gun.