Yeah, the good ole chinese ammo of days gone past. Now they have made their own indigineous military rifle (a 5.7 mm, I think). Funny thing though, the ammo was designed by the chinese to purposely defeat U.S. type body armor. And here I thought we were all buddy-buddy with the chinese. If you look through walmart at all of the made-in-china labels, you would have thought that China and the U.S. were as close as Kissing-cousins. And our government is going to continue to lull the vast majority of Americans to sleep with the rhetoric that the Soviet Union is collapsed, and that communisim is dead. I'm afraid our country won't wake up to this fact untill the day we are on the receiving end of joint chinese-Russian pre-emptive nuclear strike, just a large enough attack to spank our country into keeping its' nose out of where it didn't belong. Ever wonder why all of a sudden just in the past month the Russians are getting really pissed off at Pres. Bush about setting up a missile defense program in old ex-soviet satellite countries to protect the U.S. from "rouge terrorist states". The Russians right now have enough ICBM's to effectively take-out 90% of our military, period. China is growing in tremendous strides militarily. This year alone, china has increased its military spending 17%. Are they fighting a war?? Is someone planning to attack them?? They are in the middle of a military build-up that is at a greater percent than that of Germany in the 1930's. They are in need of dependable oil supplies to keep their massive industrial revolution going. Could some Middle Eastern country be making deals with china, say for example, we give you the oil you want, you take care of the pesky U.S. for us one day. Yep, China is using the U.S. like some cheap whore. A good-time is being had by both parties involved, untill one day when they get all they want out of us, and they grow annoyed and pop a cap on us. Heck, ole Bill clinton years ago signed into law a stipulation that says the U.S. will absorb a 1st nuclear strike before we retaliate, and Pres. Bush has never rescended that order!! Maybe we could convince the State Dept. to allow the Chinese to ship over say, 10 ships full of cheap 7.62x39 ammo, and the chinese could really ice the cake by making the projectiles lead free, tungsten core ( they have the greatest tungsten supply in the world ). This would even make the enviromentalist happy. We all then would again be happy, untill the day our country receives the mushroom cloud - sucker punch, and then we will wake up and realize how futile it was to stock pile our ammo and purchase state of the art S.H.T.F. rifles, only to feel sickly unable to protect our loved ones from an enemy we can't see, who is shooting at us from the other side of the globe. Ammo, ammo, my kingdom for some ammo! ( Paraphrased from King Richard the Lion Hearted during the crusades, A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse! ) SORRY, I GUESS I REALLY WENT OFF ON THE DEEP END OF THINGS HERE.