sleepyone
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After all, isn't this forum called The HIGH Road!?
Should someone who carries never get drunk?
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After all, isn't this forum called The HIGH Road!?
HorseSoldier
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Not quite. The legal limit is the presumptive legal limit -- above that level you are presumed to be sufficiently impaired that you can be charged with operating under the influence based solely on that fact. Below the presumptive limit, you can still be arrested, charged, and prosecuted based on additional evidence and the totality of the circumstances. Personally I've arrested for DUI at what a BrAC showed to .06 but the suspect was stumbling around so badly they could not safely complete standardized field sobriety tests. I've also arrested at even lower levels (including blowing triple zeroes) when there was obvious impairment (drugs being involved).
Up here a huge percentage of crimes of violence involve alcohol, including assaults and homicides with firearms. Carrying deadly implements and consuming substances that impair your decision making is inherently irresponsible. (Here in AK, it's also a crime to be a drunk in possession or carrying in bars, but that's besides the philosophical/moral issue.)
"With great power comes great responsibility." I think this holds true for this thread. I personally don't go to bars by myself. I dont enjoy it. When my friends and I go it's usually between 5 and 10 of us. I'm the smallest guy of the group and I'm 5'11" and 190. We also make a point to make friends with the bouncers and bar keeps. We rarely have problems. But we may be the exception. None of us carry when we go out. And we have never had an instance where we needed to. "Cooler heads prevail" is what we go by. And if there ever is a problem that can't be handled by cooler heads, it's handled very quickly and very assuredly.
I wouldn't want to stand before a jury, in today's day and age, and try to defend shooting someone when I had alcohol in my system when the shooting took place. Makes me cringe just to think about it.
I wouldn't want to stand before a jury, in today's day and age, and try to defend shooting someone when I had alcohol in my system when the shooting took place. Makes me cringe just to think about it.
mcdonl
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Umm.. Yeah, thats the RESPONSIBLY part of this equation. Some of us can act responsibly and control our impulses. As far as the girlfriend. I agree, if my wife finds out I was kissing a girl I better have had sex with her.
gdcpony
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Without reading everything, I will give a cheap opinion. You can take it or leave it. Come to my house and you are welcome to carry open or concealed. Come to my house and we may share a drink or two or more depending on how good of friends we are- and how much you brought. We will ask for your keys, I will put up my guns, and I will ask for yours to be given up until we are sober again. Hopefully, if we are drinking together you have enough faith in me to know you will get it back.
Out in town? Don't know since I only drink at home and rarely at that. I would NEVER carry if I was planning to drink. Not only because I feel against it, but because of the liability of it. No matter the level a liberal prosecutor would have a field day running me across the coals.
My wife and I have lost a combined 5 family members to impaired drivers and my cousin is still paralyzed from another. It makes it a bigger issue for us.
Out in town? Don't know since I only drink at home and rarely at that. I would NEVER carry if I was planning to drink. Not only because I feel against it, but because of the liability of it. No matter the level a liberal prosecutor would have a field day running me across the coals.
My wife and I have lost a combined 5 family members to impaired drivers and my cousin is still paralyzed from another. It makes it a bigger issue for us.
Lex Luthier
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Wow. Six pages and 172 responses.
People drink because they like the effect alcohol has on their mood. Period. Defend it all you like, but if drinking didn't make you "feel" better, then you wouldn't have such burning desire to do it, let alone so emphatically defend the practice. There are thousands of undiagnosed alcoholics out there, some very smart and articulate, yet still susceptible to the deleterious effects of drink. Quantity is irrelevant. Some advanced alcoholics can get "drunk" on one or two beers.
"Normal" drinkers never get drunk, nor do they get DUIs or suffer any legal problems due to their drinking.
I am lucky to be allergic to alcohol, so any potential clouded moments of indecision due to alcohol are not a problem for me. I am not calling everyone a drunk, but remember an alcoholic will take the same tack to defend their behavior.
People drink because they like the effect alcohol has on their mood. Period. Defend it all you like, but if drinking didn't make you "feel" better, then you wouldn't have such burning desire to do it, let alone so emphatically defend the practice. There are thousands of undiagnosed alcoholics out there, some very smart and articulate, yet still susceptible to the deleterious effects of drink. Quantity is irrelevant. Some advanced alcoholics can get "drunk" on one or two beers.
"Normal" drinkers never get drunk, nor do they get DUIs or suffer any legal problems due to their drinking.
I am lucky to be allergic to alcohol, so any potential clouded moments of indecision due to alcohol are not a problem for me. I am not calling everyone a drunk, but remember an alcoholic will take the same tack to defend their behavior.
NickEllis
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Complete and utter garbage, and ignorant garbage at that. I don't share a $300 bottle of Brunello de Montalchino to get drunk, buzzed, intoxicated, or any such nonsense. I drink that $75 glass of wine because it is an incredible liquid artform, nuanced, enhancing the flavor of the steak in front of me. It doesn't affect my mood. I've drunk wine and beer for 20 years, gone to innumerable wine tastings, and never in my life have I been drunk or even mildly intoxicated.
You're allergic to alcohol, Lex Luther, so apparently don't have sufficient experience or knowledge base to be making such a strongly established opinion. This really is a silly statement.
mcdonl
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Laws and real life make this impossible. We all have places we cannot carry in this country.
True.
What does "someone who carries" mean? Should someone never get drunk because they posses a CCW permit? Thats silly.
If your statement were "someone who is carrying" thats a whole different story. Just like drinking versus drunk are two different things.
So... final answer. To each his own regarding how much drinking is safe (Unless your state tells you otherwise).
But common to all of us...
NO ONE SHOULD EVER GET DRUNK AND CARRY.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER GET HIGH AND CARRY
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I concur. I can understand how some people who don't drink can't understand the draw though. It is an acquired/honed taste. If the only beer you ever had was the cheap stuff in college, and you resigned yourself to not liking it, you probably won't like a double IPA or russian imperial stout, either. But that doesn't mean they don't taste like divine creations to others.
Seems we have a lot of people who don't even drink chiming in, so take those responses with a grain of salt. We also seem to have a lot of avid beer or wine enthusiasts, who enjoy the finer things in life, but don't get wasted. So far I haven't seen one response of "I go and get smashed while carrying, all the time!" So I think the answer to the OP is definitely a big affirmative, and most of the debate is around whether or not you should have a zero-tolerance policy, or if you should trust your limits, and that appears to me to be a debate that will never be resolved here. To echo for the 20th or so time, know the law in your state and know your limits and act responsibly (at all times, but especially while carrying).
Telling other people why they do things, when they disagree with you...in my experience that just doesn't go over very well.
I like to call it 'projection'.
Garmangabis
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I chose between guns and alcohol 25 years ago.
I don't miss drinking.
I don't miss drinking.
Tinpig
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Of course they should, if they want to...just not while carrying.
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Sam1911
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What a fantastic way to wrap up a thread based on telling each other what we think folks should do!
I think there are two levels to this question, if my wife and I are going out to eat and I have a single glass of wine with my meal I have no problem carrying. Now let’s change the situation. Since in Florida you can't carry in a bar I'm heading over to a friend’s house for a party where I know I will be having a few drinks, the gun stays in the car at a minimum or at home.
If I'm having the party at my house where I know people will be drinking, all the guns will be securely stored.
If I'm having the party at my house where I know people will be drinking, all the guns will be securely stored.
Neo-Luddite
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Know your own limits (in all respects for that matter) and act accordingly within the confines of the law. For me, If I shouldn't be driving, I probably shouldn't be carrying.
If you shoot someone, in your home or out of your home, you will be tested for drugs and alcohol. If you are inside your home even if you were drunk, if you had a valid reason for shooting the individual, you would be legally ok.
He came in to "your" house. There is no law against you drinking in someone's house or your own. there are laws that make it illegal to "use a gun while intoxicated" and "using it" will no doubt cause you a problem, even if you were right.
As far as what I said earlier about getting high, I should have prefaced it by saying you shouldn't be here discussing it. The following is Florida law,
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790.151 Using firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages, chemical substances, or controlled substances; penalties.—
(1) As used in ss. 790.151-790.157, to “use a firearm” means to discharge a firearm or to have a firearm readily accessible for immediate discharge.
(2) For the purposes of this section, “readily accessible for immediate discharge” means loaded and in a person’s hand.
(3) It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.
(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(5) This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one’s property. "end quote"
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.151.html
When it says to the extent your normal faculties are impaired, you can be pretty sure that anything they find in your test will mean you were impaired, unless you were sitting on your couch and someone broke in, and you had to shoot them, in which case you would be fine, according to the written law.
He came in to "your" house. There is no law against you drinking in someone's house or your own. there are laws that make it illegal to "use a gun while intoxicated" and "using it" will no doubt cause you a problem, even if you were right.
As far as what I said earlier about getting high, I should have prefaced it by saying you shouldn't be here discussing it. The following is Florida law,
"quote"
790.151 Using firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages, chemical substances, or controlled substances; penalties.—
(1) As used in ss. 790.151-790.157, to “use a firearm” means to discharge a firearm or to have a firearm readily accessible for immediate discharge.
(2) For the purposes of this section, “readily accessible for immediate discharge” means loaded and in a person’s hand.
(3) It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.
(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(5) This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one’s property. "end quote"
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.151.html
When it says to the extent your normal faculties are impaired, you can be pretty sure that anything they find in your test will mean you were impaired, unless you were sitting on your couch and someone broke in, and you had to shoot them, in which case you would be fine, according to the written law.
This is just one option.Some people are not responsible after one beer. Some people can have 10 and not do anything stupid or irresponsible. I fall into the latter category. I will not conduct my life based on second guessing a mythical prosecutor and jury on a non-existent incident. Others are free to make their own choices.
Stevie-Ray
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I don't need to re-evaluate anything. Your reading comprehension is what's lame. Please tell me where I said I carry at all while intoxicated or ever drink while carrying before I get home.
Sam1911
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Hey guys, if we can't agree, at least lets keep it polite.
In many decades of messing with firearms... Ive had two ND's... Want to try and guess what both had in common???
Yep you guessed it.
Alcohol!!!!!
One ended with a bullet in my leg the other a bullet into the lawn.
I personally love Single Malts and Stouts, Brown Ales, etc.... Fortunately It finally sunk into my thicker skull to never mix the two.
Flame away!
Yep you guessed it.
Alcohol!!!!!
One ended with a bullet in my leg the other a bullet into the lawn.
I personally love Single Malts and Stouts, Brown Ales, etc.... Fortunately It finally sunk into my thicker skull to never mix the two.
Flame away!
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