Ugly Sauce
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I should have mentioned, trying to sleep under some bush, and having to pee every half hour doesn't help either. No matter how many woobies you have.
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351 WINCHESTER
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I had a 600 in .350 and the recoil and muzzle blast were pretty bad. I sold it to Wild West Guns in Anchorage decades ago.
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Two Ruger GSR’s; one in .308, one in 5.56. Both with Leupold VX-2 2-7x33 and XS SIGHTS ghost ring sights. The stock sights are better, but these aren’t bad. Slings are from Magpul.
I have a scout style scope but after trying it, I'm not fan.
I have a scout style scope but after trying it, I'm not fan.
chicharrones
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The XS ghost ring diameter is a bit large compared to the Ruger ghost ring.
XS offers a threaded aperture that allows fitting common Williams sight apertures of your choosing. I changed my XS ghost ring to threaded on my Marlin 1894. Much better for me.
https://xssights.com/ghost-ring-apertures/
Use the scroll down selection to get to 7/32-40 threaded aperture or 7/32-40 threaded long stem (depending on what you need), if you're interested. If not, no biggie.
Absolutely. But that's kinda the point ain't it? It's only heavy relative to your ability to carry and manipulate it. I think for the vast majority of us, not being in a true "scout" situation, hitting what we're shooting at outweighs the weight in the list of compromises that are Cooper's Scout. He certainly seemed to try to justify his theory with evidence derived from the game fields. But almost anything he presented could have been accomplished with less effort with a rifle intended for the purpose it was deployed.
I guess what I'm saying is that even an all round rifle needs to lean toward the usage most often deployed. Your application may vary.
DAP90
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https://xssights.com/ghost-ring-apertures/
Use the scroll down selection to get to 7/32-40 threaded aperture or 7/32-40 threaded long stem (depending on what you need), if you're interested. If not, no biggie.
That's awesome, and solves the one thing I didn't like about this setup. Thanks for pointing that out.
chicharrones
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Late to think about this. My only issue with those ACOGs is that they have a optical centerline height for AR rifles and other rifles with similar optic set ups. Which means they aren't about to work with the stock on a traditionally styled rifle without a very tall cheek riser attached. And if it's a bolt gun, that cheek riser could interfere with opening the bolt.
I've thought that a prismatic magnified "red dot" built for non AR rifles would be a very useful optic indeed. I have'nt looked in a while, but it seems like this type of optic is rarely designed for traditionally stocked rifles.
Height not altogether a bad thing and there are ways to overcome this, even on a bolt gun. You could most likely add this type of cheek riser to allow clearance for bolt to travel under the riser.
Not a bolt gun or a scout, but regarding an ACOG, a number of years ago I mounted this Primary arms 3x prism scope on an M1 when I could no longer see iron sights. It was a bit over the top (pun intended), but it allowed me to shoot the rifle again and the only thing I could find to clear the top ejection port and en-block clip of the Garand.
I had used a Millett red dot briefly, but my old eyes really needed the magnification and the PA scope filled that bill nicely.
Now, with macular degeneration beginning to take its toll on my right eye, thinking about mounting a scope just a bit higher which would allow me to cant the rifle far enough to use left eye and shoot from right shoulder. Fixed range would be fine, but hunting @ different ranges complicates windage calculations, especially at longer ranges, but the older I get the shorter the range limits on game anyway so might not be insurmountable issue.
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hps
luzyfuerza
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This was the first question that I had, too.
Turns out Trijicon has a low mount (0.375" lower than normal) that goes under their compact ACOG scopes
https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/ac12038
but this little mount has to sit on a piece of pic rail, which raises the whole thing up again.
One thing's for sure, an ACOG would have to be mounted on a pic rail bridge above the bolt...the eye relief numbers are all pretty short!
Gordon
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Here is my latest " scout" , built because I sold my two Finish Moisins for big $ in 2019 and found myself with Four spam cans of 7.62x54 Bulgarian ball. It is a like new M59 Cold war Bulgarian that I got cheap because some one took off the front handguard. I found a trick Scout mount that preserves the rear sight very useable. Here pictured with a original Bulgarian stripper full of ball. The 1-4 Burris pistol scope is very nice but will be painted. This is when I was installing the Timney trigger . I have since finished everything except the little piece of walnut I'm adding to cover the scope mount. Notice my original Rhodiesian sling mounted on a rear surplus dog collar and the twin Qd front studs , one I'm using for a bipod. I really like the way the Pacmayr Decelerator and leather cheek riser interface and really tame recoil and give me perfect cheek weld . This is not as light as the 600 Remington fiberglass Scout s I built in 80s ,but it is hell for stout at about 7 pounds less sling.
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GunnyUSMC
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Here’s that same FR8 after I removed all that ugly lacquer that someone had slathered on it.
I like the FR8, as a Scout type rifle, so much that I bought a second one.
I also like my Mexican Mauser carbine.
The No.5 Jungle Carbine makes a nice Scout rifle also.
The Turks made carbines from French MLE-M-16 rifles. They are called Forestry Carbines because, they were issued to Turkish Forestry Agents.
Hesa Hard1
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We modified my M600 in .350 RM with a Kick-Ezz recoil pad, then replaced the plastic parts (vented rib, floorplates) with aluminum and correctly floated the barrel in the stock. While my gunsmith was at it, he smoothed out the trigger.
I already had the correct Williams rear aperture sight for the M600/660, but the 'shark fin' front sight which sits on the vented rib was too tall. Shots were hitting way low @ 50-yds. So we calculated the amount of reduction needed to correct the front sight and my gunsmith cut and re shaped it. Now it's dead-on @ 50- and 100-yds with the 200grn .350 RM ammo.
Very accurate little magnum carbine that weighs in at 6.2lbs. The .350 RM cartridge itself can easily be down-loaded (hand-loaded) to 'deer hunting' velocities.
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Gordon
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I have a Remington 600 Carbine in .35 Remington with a 1-4 Leupold in Talley QDs mounts that makes the original weight limit and indeed is my go to deer or pig medicine where I know shots will be under 200 yards. The scope is quickly removed and factory sights are close enough for deer hunting.
351 WINCHESTER
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I had put on a Williams aperture sight on my 600 as well and cranked all the way down it was still hitting way high which would have made a taller front sight necessary. The factory recoil pad wasn't bad, but it was way too powerful for me
These carbines are amazing. Back in the day I was saving my money to buy a deer rifle and a friend of my Dad's got me a Remington magazine with all their guns and ammo. I spent months goving back and forth between the 700 and the 600 and finally ordered the 700 in .243. I had a gunsmith install a Lyman 48 receiver sight and a taller front sight with an ivory bead. I had to sell it to a friend after a divorce thing, but at least I got to use it for a few years.
Hesa Hard1
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The Remmy M600 and M660s were factory d&t-ed on the rear left side for either a Redfield or Lyman aperture sight. Later Willams offered its model of aperture sight to fit the factory receiver holes.
Whichever sight you used, the stock had to be trimmed a bit for the sight to mate up against the receiver properly, like so:
The problem with the 18.5" M600 is that the tall shark fin front sight was set up to hit POA (with factory .350 Rem Mag ammo) using the factory open sight that was also mounted on the rib - not an aftermarket receiver sight.
Why Remmy didn't offer a modified front sight calibrated in height to work with a rear aperture sight is beyond me, since they had to know that many customers and iron-sight hunters of that era preferred aperture sights over open sights if they didn't use a scope.
With such a tall shark fin sight mounted on the rib, it's hard to fathom how shots would hit 'high' with factory .350RM ammo using an aperture mounted on the factory receiver holes.
Typically with a tall front sight and rear peep sight, the bullet impact will strike low. So the front sight would have to be shortened in order to raise POI.
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MutinousDoug
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Although this gun sports a "2 3/4x Burris Scout Scope", with it's 24" barrel I never considered it a "Scout Rifle" in the Cooper definition. Nor did I want one.
The forward scope allowed me the use of stripper clips for reloads in a rifle with no replaceable magazine. That and minimizing the changes to the action so that I could put the rifle back to military "look" was my goal after finding that my ageing eyes would no longer use a Patridge rear sight effectively.
Yes, I drilled the barrel to mount the scope, removed the rear sight and replaced the stock with one from Numrich so I could return the (well used) military rifle to it's original form should I wish to. At work, I had my Ordnance Engineer superiors look over and approve my calculations for stress.
I'm happy with it out to 300 yds+/- but in heavy brush it can be hard to tell branches from forky tines...
The forward scope allowed me the use of stripper clips for reloads in a rifle with no replaceable magazine. That and minimizing the changes to the action so that I could put the rifle back to military "look" was my goal after finding that my ageing eyes would no longer use a Patridge rear sight effectively.
Yes, I drilled the barrel to mount the scope, removed the rear sight and replaced the stock with one from Numrich so I could return the (well used) military rifle to it's original form should I wish to. At work, I had my Ordnance Engineer superiors look over and approve my calculations for stress.
I'm happy with it out to 300 yds+/- but in heavy brush it can be hard to tell branches from forky tines...
Space Ghost
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I'm digging that Turk rifle.
Reminds me of my old Spanish 7mm gun show find I did up.
I had it shortened to the front barrel band (just over 16") and it looked much like that giving it a Mannlicher like appearance.
That's one I wish I'd never sold.
Lots of regret letting that one go.
After buying a used Left Hand Gunsite Scout 308 off Gunbroker and absolutely hating the sloppiness of the bolt, I had Savage build me a Left Hand Scout Rifle 308. I believe a bolt action rifle should be able to be easily cycled from the shoulder. That was impossible to do with the Ruger.
I recently sold the Ruger to another left hander locally. He was happy as a clam to have his 1st left handed bolt action rifle. Gave him a pretty good deal on it - $600.
The action on my Savage is 100% nicer than the Ruger. I can operate the bolt from my shoulder. Shoots just as accurately.
Downsides - the bolt handle and it's heavy. Savage used the action and stock off their LH tactical rifle. Goal was to shoot this rifle suppressed. Adding my Dead Air Nomad-L to it yesterday... way too heavy.
I took a button buck with it last year and have to say...
I'm not sold on the forward mounted low power scope. The past 2 deer I shot were both taken in the late afternoon before dusk. I didn't find the Leupold VXR 1.5-5x33 Fire Dot Scout Scope aided that much in shooting that deer just before dusk. I think a standard scope - 3x9 etc gathers more light and aids in target identification better than a Scout Scope.
I'd like to find a lighter weight stock for the Savage and may ditch the Scout Scope in the future. Opening day is tomorrow. I'll probably start with the Savage Scout Rifle and end up with my Savage 270 or AR15.
I recently sold the Ruger to another left hander locally. He was happy as a clam to have his 1st left handed bolt action rifle. Gave him a pretty good deal on it - $600.
The action on my Savage is 100% nicer than the Ruger. I can operate the bolt from my shoulder. Shoots just as accurately.
Downsides - the bolt handle and it's heavy. Savage used the action and stock off their LH tactical rifle. Goal was to shoot this rifle suppressed. Adding my Dead Air Nomad-L to it yesterday... way too heavy.
I took a button buck with it last year and have to say...
I'm not sold on the forward mounted low power scope. The past 2 deer I shot were both taken in the late afternoon before dusk. I didn't find the Leupold VXR 1.5-5x33 Fire Dot Scout Scope aided that much in shooting that deer just before dusk. I think a standard scope - 3x9 etc gathers more light and aids in target identification better than a Scout Scope.
I'd like to find a lighter weight stock for the Savage and may ditch the Scout Scope in the future. Opening day is tomorrow. I'll probably start with the Savage Scout Rifle and end up with my Savage 270 or AR15.
chicharrones
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My GSR was like that, too. The bolt is still sloppy, but some mild smoothing of the receiver innards where the bolt rides, firing live rounds, and cycling snap caps from the magazine have improved it greatly. I still like to cycle and "fire" snap caps in it when bored at the house, all from the shoulder.
Only thing I liked about the Ruger over the Savage is the conventional trigger. Not a fan of the Savage Accu-Trigger. You actually pull the blade on the trigger not the trigger itself. I'll probably dump that trigger as well for standard trigger.
351 WINCHESTER
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Typicall when you install a receiver sight you must use a taller front sight. Looking back (50 years or so) I must have gotten it backwards and needed a lower front sight. I was afraid to scope it as Redfield scopes tended to go south pretty quick on me a lot of others. The Redfields were so bad that the lgs owner and myself had their address memorized.
Love that stock, omega. Who makes it? Would love to find something like that for a BAR.
When AR's were banned on the ranches I hunt predators, the search for a replacement rifle began. My first attempt was a Savage Scout in .308 Win. Great handy rifle, but
the Scout's straight pistol grip just didn't work for me.
Found a few after market stocks that I think might straighten up the pistol grip, but none were made to fit the Savage detachable mag. center feed w/bolt release in trigger guard.
A vertical pistol grip would let me reach the safety without changing hand position and assist in keeping rifle pulled in snug to shoulder, which was not possible w/OEM stock, especially when wearing gloves.
A forum member suggested Tikkas changeable pistol grip might work. I ordered one and altered it to fit the Scout, but couldn't come up with a suitable way to hold it in place on my rifle.
Then a gunsmith friend of mine suggested Oatey FixIt. Comes in stick form, knead to mix and works fast.
Taped the grip in place and experimented with angle (something I couldn't do w/aftermarket stocks) then filled the void w/FixIt adhesive putty. FixIt is fast drying (maximum 5 minute working life), solidifies in 15 minutes and has held the grip firmly in place.
Not a thing of beauty, but serves my purpose and I don't plan on letting the coyotes get close enough to notice.
The bolt gun does not provide the 2nd quick follow up shot for occasions when a double responds to the call, however, so have gone to the 308 BAR DBM, but conventional pistol grip just doesn't cut it.
Looks like that stock would be very similar to the pistol grip on the AR, but doubt they make a stock for the BAR.
Regards,
hps
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omega5:
Despite my hard-headed preference for wooden furniture, your M1-A Scout Squad is still one of the coolest rifles ever produced.
Despite my hard-headed preference for wooden furniture, your M1-A Scout Squad is still one of the coolest rifles ever produced.
Hesa Hard1
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On the scope, I would've used a modern Burris IER fixed 2.75x 'Scout' scope. ... But although I have an original Redfield JR IER M600 Scout base (it mounts forward on the vented rib, as above), I haven't attach it for a couple of reasons.
First, the base itself blocks the aperture's sight-line to the front sight, thus rendering the aperture unusable unless you also unscrew and remove the base (not something quickly accomplished in the field).
The second issue is that, as set up, the rings are not the modern quick-detach types as you see today for picatinny rail mounts. It's the Old School type where the front ring pivots or twists into a front groove in the base while the rear ring is captured in grooves by large side screws - which is also where the windage adjustments are made.
So even if the base didn't block the rear aperture, the scope+rings are not a Q.D./'return-to-zero' unit either. (Leupold's version of this M600 base is the same way).
The upside, I guess, is that I've got a very accurate iron-sighted 6.2lb carbine that's perfect for short-range shots in the brush, boonies, and thickly timbered areas (the same terrain where you might use a big-bore lever gun), .... and the .350RM cartridge itself, loaded up or down, can take a huge variety of critters in the lower 48 as well as AK.
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