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Showing ID when purchasing BP?

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Texas Moon

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Today was a first.
Went to BassProShop. Decided to purchase a couple of cans of blackpowder.
Have purchased it there in the past with zero issues.
The sales guy says "I need to see your driver license". I ask why?
He proceeds to tell me that he must make a COPY of it to sell me the powder.
I'm like what the heck?!?!?!?! Never had to do this before. I also comment that there are bottles of Pyrodex sitting right there on the counter that don't "require ID" to purchase. He insists. I say NO THANK YOU and decline to purchase.

Are you folks out there having to do this?
 
Good for you, Texas Moon; even in over-regulated Australia where a Shooters/Firearms license must be shown to purchase powder there is no copying of it, or at least not in my State; New South Wales. Things do vary from State to State under our 'National' firearms laws though.
 
Bass Pro - Garland

I bought 1lb of Goex FF at the Garland Bass Pro quite a while back and no ID check that I recall.

I did buy a jar of touch up paint (not spray paint) at Home Depot a few weeks ago to paint Pinewood Derby cars with my son and I got asked for my ID. They didn't say they needed to make a copy though.

Sometimes I wonder what, if any, training the counter people get.
 
Alex Jones says the government is keeping tabs on gun owners, libertarians, constitutionalists (some argue those are the same thing) and activists-the-like, something to do with elitist taking over, and martial law under the guise of a pandemic. Remember the swine flu scare? Naaaa, that's nothing but conspiracy theory foo hickey. The guy probably just thought you were cute and wanted a picture. Wake up! Our rights have been taken away from us.

I am voting Debra Medina for governor of Texas. Yea, is it still a conspiracy theory when it's true?
 
I thought it suspicious that he wanted a copy.
Purchased a can of powder at the same counter a couple of weeks ago with no mention of ID at all.
I'm not exactly what you would call a youth. :evil:
So checking the ID for age doesn't wash either.
 
In New York were I live I have been asked only at one shop that they needed to make a copy of my i.d. Funny thing is he is one of the biggest in the area and not all that fond of the government.
 
Bought 25#'s last fall and didn't have to show an ID from my usual dealer. They did ask for my NSSA number for my check.
 
Maybe it's to protect Bass Pro from liability so that no one can falsely claim that they're not strictly following the law and to be able to provide identity info. about anyone buying a large amount of it through repeat sales, like terrorists might do.
 
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Alex Jones says the government is keeping tabs on gun owners, libertarians, constitutionalists (some argue those are the same thing) and activists-the-like, something to do with elitist taking over, and martial law under the guise of a pandemic.

Alex Jones is a looney-tune.


Texas Moon - good for you for refusing - that's just plain odd. Did you ask to speak to a manager to figure out what the problem was?
 
Alex Jones IS a bit out there, But there is a thread of truth in what he says.
Do yourselves a favor and don't EVER doubt what big brother is capable of doing.

Allow me to plagerize: "In God we trust, everyone else we shall monitor"

Good job standing up for your rights and not becoming part of ANYONE'S database T.M.
 
Well i hope you dont less this go. What bass pro shops. Have you called to complain to find out if this is a new policy or something. Did you get the guys name who helped you. it does no good to post here if nothing is being done about. i cant say good job. good job is when we as society say no and demand our rights.
 
I don't believe all these crazy conspiracy theories. Home Land Security has enacted new laws concerning black powder, it is an explosive you know. If you buy 25 pounds you can bet they well be checking to see if you know Ahmed and what size underwear you have been buying.
 
I don't believe all these crazy conspiracy theories. Home Land Security has enacted new laws concerning black powder, it is an explosive you know. If you buy 25 pounds you can bet they well be checking to see if you know Ahmed and what size underwear you have been buying.
Yes, BP is classified as as an explosive, but I fond it hard to believe terrorists would use it considering one can purchase all types of chemicals from the grocery store that will do a much better job and go under the radar too.
 
U shoulda asked for the manager. U left with them thinking they probably stopped a bad person from doing ill when the exact opposite was true. Regardless of your choice you lost and they won. Such s/be chased all the way up the corporate ladder.
Al
 
Yes I was asked for proof of age when purchasing some co2 cartridges for my grandsons squirrel popper at the Sports Authority. Speaking to the store manager, he said it is a head office directive for liability reasons. Just show not record!
 
I worked at Walmart for a long time. Stores are doing it to cover their butts. They get fines on top of fines when they screw up, so they try to program their cash register system with failsafes just in case. They sure can't rely on their employees to keep up with all that stuff. The computer system still busted cashiers for selling alcohol on Sunday when it was illegal to sell it in Tupelo on Sunday.

They're not required to see ID unless they're suspicious someone is afoul of the law, most of the time. I can't keep up with what's state or federal regs; Mississippi regs follow federal regs, so they can legally double-tap you at both the state level and the federal level if you're caught.

Spraypaint, glue, anything with certain chemicals that people inhale to get high on, you have to be 18 to buy them.
Air rifles and CO2 cartridges, you have to be 16 to buy them.
R-rated movies, adult magazines, and explicit lyric music, you gotta be 17 to buy them.
Mature videogames, you gotta be 17 to buy them. (They usually click this through, only consumer watchdogs "enforce" this with protests and complaints, same as music and movies. Thanks Hillary.)
Alcohol,21, cigarettes and tobacco, 18. They used to card everyone for tobacco that looks 28 or younger, now they're supposed to be carding people that look 40 or younger. Wth?
handguns-21, longarms-18, both with paperwork and a phone call to NICS that takes less time than finding a manager to sign off on the yellow sheet. They had a huge mess where they screwed up and a customer put his incorrect address on his form. They were really sweating about it. The sporting goods associate and the manager who signed off were in danger of getting fired.
Ammo, the same regs, it's a felony to tell them your cartridges are going to be fired from a rifle and you fire them from a handgun instead. I can't wait until they start fishing for that. What irks me..you can legally possess a handgun when you're 18, but you're not allowed to buy ammo for it.
Blackpowder guns, caps, powder,powder sticks-Have to be 18
State(and federal?) regs limit your purchase of powerful cold meds to one package within so many days.

Everything has a little reminder for the cashier to check the customer's ID. They do not make records of it, most of them click through based on how old they think the customer is, or they just want to get done faster so they're lazy.

The state of Mississippi had a brilliant idea years ago to catch criminals by setting up a "voluntary" system where a gun dealer had to check ID and record the name, address, SS or DL# of everyone buying ammo, from the smallest box of .22 Shorts to a pallet of doveloads. Walmart and K-mart were the only ones doing it. They had notebook on top of notebook keeping the records. All the smaller gun dealers in the state agreed that they wouldn't do it, since it was voluntary. The state finally realized it was a huge waste of time. Just because you recover 9mm shells at a crime scene doesn't mean you can haul in everyone in the county that bought 9mm shells at Wal-Mart, so they stopped the program after a year or so. Walmart saw a huge drop in their gun sales, the people voted with their checkbooks and Walmart begged the state to drop it. Even during dove season, they kept records of every person who bought shotgun shells. They practically have dove loads on the checkouts with gum and candy, but they were keeping records.

I was buying ammo online at the time, so it was a complete route around the failed system. I was absolutely shocked that they took records of me buying a small box of CB Shorts, because I didn't feel like ordering it.
 
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Well the last couple of times I bought Black Powder I had to provide DL information that was entered into a log sheet for the purpose.

That was a couple of years ago, because I have not been shooting much black powder in the last couple of years. I believe both times were prior to the 2008 election.

This happened at both a Mom and Pop Archery/Blackpowder shop and at a Bass Pro Shops.
 
I was at the Garland Bass Pro a couple of years ago attempting to purchase a Glock 23. The counter guy wouldn't even let me handle the firearm. Now I'm not about to lay down several bills on something I can't even touch. Drove back to the Academy in Mesquite, got to handle it, dry fire it. Cost $50 less and they made the sale.
 
Sale of Black Powder is regulated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) division of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.
Sale is limited to adults 21 years of age.

It is an explosive.

Little wonder that they would have a policy to ask for I.D. in this age of both home grown & imported terrorists..

rc
 
kingpin008: I'm betting your a FoxNews guy like most of the nation, so I'm sure you'd be shocked to find out that Judge Andrew Napolitano a former superior court judge (I assume that is one level under Supreme) was recently on Alex Jone's radio show. If you don't take my word here is a nice clip I found of Dick Morris right off of Sean Hannity's show discussing looney-tunes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW5Jv-TRXh0

If you believe me now, go over to Mr. Looney-tune's website and hear Judge Andrew Napolitano yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW5Jv-TRXh0

I realize Jones sounds over the top, but he is on to something. Ontarget, you are on target. At least take the time to visit the youtube foxnews clip and please let me know how it affects your position, all you people reading this post.
 
COMBO - Just because a credible individual appears on a program does not mean that the host of that program is credible.

Take the Daily Show or the Colbert Report, for example. They're joke shows, pure entertainment, but they get credible guests all the time.

And no, I'm not a "Fox news guy". Fox news is not something I'm interested in wasting my time watching.
 
The Federal regulations on sale of BP have NOT CHANGED. Checked this out from CFR and also a distributor. Any individual can purchase up to 50 pounds of BP with out an ID if they are over 18. That being said, individual states can add regulations. There is not a federal requirement to show and ID much less copy it. The distributor I talked to makes it his policy to get an ID for all mail order sales.

I suspect this is either a state reg or store policy or as someone said, "a clerk exercising his apparent authority."

I am not a fan of most of the "conspiracy theories" thrown around, but I became aware of how easy it is for a bureaucrat to deny someone their legal rights by simply not budgeting funds to process the paperwork. I recently, tried to have a client's right to own firearms restored after a 35 year old non-violent felony drug conviction. (Charge today would have been a misdemeanor, possession of less than an ounce of Marijuana.) Filed all the paperwork. Found out none are being granted. The ATF is not allocating any funds to do the research to issue the restoration of rights. Ergo, a legal right is being denied this man because ATF under this administration spends budgeted funds elsewhere.

This is just one area it has happened. I am sure that there are others where a legal right or priviledge is being denied by simply a bureaucrat, with an agenda, denying funding to cover the work.

The one I am expecting to hear about next is the ATF/FBI keeping the records of the background checks for purchasing a firearm, creating a defacto gun registration. They are actually required by law to be destroyed. Bill Clinton's administration got caught keeping the records and had to be directed to destroy them.

We have to keep vigilent to protect our rights without getting labeled a crazy.
 
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