SHTF happens and people start showing up at your house . . .

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Comments like "bring something of value to trade" or "be prepared to earn your keep and bring enough food to feed yourself" even a joking "gas grass or ass baby!!" go a long way towards raising awareness without makeing them angry with comments like "you'll be welcomed with a shotgun" or " dont plan on it, i stay well armed and ready to kill"

simply put let them know if they plan on coming over they had better bring something of value.
 
Bubbles : One of the errors noted in the following story is that the hospital was not prepared for the non-medical and non-patient folks who showed up and depleted its resources. There are lots of other lessons to be learned in this story as well.

Everybody May Not Make It Out
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That's a really sad story, it makes you angry that they had the nerve to prosecute her or even condemn her in any way after what she had to go through in remaining behind to take care of those abandoned people. She didn't have to do that, she could have left them all behind and made sure to save her own life and taken care of her own family.

Poor lady does the right thing and makes dying patients comfortable and she's arrested as a murderer when the Federal, State and Local Government Agencies gave them basically no help at all and didn't bring what they needed or get them out in a timely manner. Where were those individual agents and where were their bosses? Were they dealing with terminally ill patient and watching them die in horrible pain? Were they doing anything to get them out?

I seriously doubt that they were.
 
I have a dear friend who is welcome when "it hit the fan." Being a military brat, she is familiar with firearms and while she is not keen on the idea of killing an animal for food (something we routinely do) it is something that she knows she can do if she has to so she can feed her family.

While I seriously doubt her or her husband would do much in the way of tactical defense, they would be great for taking care of the children while my husband and I took a hard stand.

There would be nine of us total. 4 adults and 5 children.

I know my husband posted here about a decent firearm supply for adults to have and we are aiming for that. He is taking care of that side of things while I take care of food storage.

What I find more annoying that the whole "I'm coming to your house" bit is people wanting my food! I am canning food for my family. It is hard work. You want homemade canned soup or canned green beans or canned tomato sauce, get a flippin' pressure canner and learn to do it yourself like I did. This is my family's food supply for winter people are asking for!

Next time, I should say something like "Sure! Can I have some fresh lobster and shrimp cocktail?"
 
I have a list of people that I would let in no questions asked even if they didn't have anything to contribute besides extra liability.

That said if you aren't on that list or don't have your own supplies etc you aren't coming in.

Though after seeing this thread I need to make sure I have more water and food stuffs around the house for sure.
 
I suppose my answer would depend on how temporary the SHTF situation looked to be.

Of course immediate family and self are first priority, but if I could help out others who were not as well prepared, I would do so. I can remember times in my own life where I was not so aware of SHTF possibilities, and I would hate to think if something would have happened then someone better prepared would point a gun at me instead of extending a helping hand.

Don't get me wrong; I am no pacifist. I have a good number of guns and more than an average amount of ammo. Living in a rural area, I have good access to live water and a root cellar full of canned food, plus livestock on the hoof and wood for heat and cooking. As a result, I do not feel as much danger as I might in a city where I would be dependent on a community water and sewerage system and trucks to bring in food.

I am just saying that being as generous as reasonably possible is a good thing.
 
Over the years, a lot of us boys that grew up together have the same mindset. We are not all gung ho about SHTF or whatever but living in South Florida we have to be prepared for major hurricanes. We all have our own preps and firearms and families and know we can count on eachother no matter what. We all know how to fish, hunt and process meat. I have learned gardening the best I can down here on a 1/4 acre.:).
My mom grew up in Arkansas during very hard times and knows how to do just about anything with any type of food so I have been learning all I can from her.
the biggest threat I see us facing is hurricanes and when we went without power and such for 9 days twice in a year, I feel we have a pretty good plan to survive without the comfort things in life although we did have some nice colds fronts the day after the 'canes so it was easier on the kids and women.
I do have some friends that have no skills at all but I cherish their friendships and value their lives as much as most of ours so I wouldn't hesistate to bring them in if needed. Heck, I can teach anyone to do anything I know as long as they have the right mindset.
 
I have a good number of guns and more than an average amount of ammo
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What is a good number of guns? And what is average?

Me - I have three shotguns, a 10/22, 7mm Mag, .270 and a .45acp.

As for ammo - 2 cases each for 12ga and 20ga. 3 boxes of 7mm mag and .270 ammo and seven boxes of 45acp 230g.

Would that suffice? Obviously worse case scenario. No Red Dawn :uhoh:
 
I bet the average gun owner has between zero and one box of ammo. I think you are a) above average and b) prepared if shft happens tomorrow. I have a fair amount of ammo, but because I purchased at good prices and the wife and I train with it.
 
I'll be buying some more next week - I've earmarked $300 that someone owes me so that's going there.

What about buckshot? I've never used it, but just curious if I should pick up a few boxes.

And I'll be buying a few more boxes of 45acp ammo - right now it's $11/box.
 
"I've told everyone who's said they're coming to my house when the SHTF to bring all their food, money, guns and virgin daughters because we were using them up first."
I read that and thought
"Doh!, I have 2 years supply of most things but I plumb FORGOT about stocking virgins!" Where the heck am I going to find a two year supply of THOSE?
 
elkhuntingfool : I have a good number of guns and more than an average amount of ammo

What is a good number of guns? And what is average?

Me - I have three shotguns, a 10/22, 7mm Mag, .270 and a .45acp.

As for ammo - 2 cases each for 12ga and 20ga. 3 boxes of 7mm mag and .270 ammo and seven boxes of 45acp 230g.

Would that suffice?
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It sounds like you're pretty good on shotgun shells (4 full cases of 250 each equals out to 1000 shotgun shells and 7 boxes of .45 equals out to 350 rds) and ammo for the .45, but it sounds like you're REAL light on ammo for your .270 and 7mm rifles. If everything didn't return to normal after a little while you'd run out of rounds pretty quick if you ever had to use more than a couple rounds. I've heard in a couple gun related magazine articles about Hurricane Katrina that there were some home owners who had to fire sometimes hundreds of rounds in warning shots just to scare looters away because there were so many of them. The people from the EMS company that I work for that got sent down there (I didn't end up going) for the relief effort said that there were potshots off in the distance constantly. They usually couldn't see it and they weren't around it much, but they could hear it off in the distance quite a bit.

If you were ever forced to fire back at a group of looters the small amount of ammo that you have could be burned up during just one engagement. During the aftermath of a hurricane most stores are either going to be closed, wrecked, flooded or looted. Not many places to by ammo from then. For the civilian calibers I usually try to keep between 250 and 500 rounds on hand (usually it's somewhere in the middle as I'll get lazy about it). You can go through a 100 rounds of centerfire ammo just in an afternoons shooting, plus I'm gonna end up buying it at some point anyway. For the military calibers where surplus is available I buy a bit more just cause it's usually cheap (except lately) and available.

More than likely the ammo that I have will just end up getting used on the next several trips to the range, but you never know and it's best to buy it cheap and in bulk when you can get it as ammo prices have become outrageous anyway. Buying it in bulk usually saves you some money, so there's a couple different good reasons to do it that way. Just my .02 cents though. In all likelyhood your shotguns would do the trick without any problem as most trouble is usually at pretty close range, but I personally would like the comfort of knowing that I had what a rifle could bring to the table if it were needed.
 
''SHTF and people start showing up at your house...''

Gosh I hope so. At least that is the plan anyway. If you mean the not invited types I am uncertain how that would work. I guess if they made it past the locked gate and they were not invited than they would be treated as other tresspassers or looters. Still some room left at the inn right now but it is getting full.
 
MY DEar DEAR Wife

We were at Rural king getting some feed to hold us over till I feel better and I thought to tall my wife dear Dear wife... that I needed some ammo. She without so much as asking hands over $40. Yeppers folks she's a keeper. I don't buy in large quanities. Am hoping to get a press and do my own up in the near future.
 
It's funny. People find out I have more than one pistol. Like if they ask if you have a .357 and you say. "Yea sure, I have a couple of .357's (or whatever caliber) and they think that is the same as a jillion or something and immediately they think you have a ton of guns. I don't let on to most folks what I have. Friends and folks close to me don't know exactly, but they know I have "several" anyway and they will say things like "Man, if the SHTF I'm coming to your house". I just grin and don't say anything.

When asked outright what I have I say. "Oh, I have a couple of pistols, a couple of rifles, and a shotgun".

How much ammo? "Oh, I have one or two boxes of a couple of calibers. (Yea, green ammo boxes :evil: )

"NunYer" (short for "None Of Your Buisness") :D
 
I would keep my mouth shut about preparations prior to the SHTF unless they let on to making preparations themselves. If they already know you are prepared, you could trade for something they actually have of value such as giving them a can of beer for some tools, their labor filling up sandbags, etc. When it does hit the fan, the best way to keep people you don't want away is to beg them for free stuff.
 
I occasionally ballpark that figure. Very depressing how fast it all gets used up as more consumers appear.
 
Thin Black Line : How many people here have actually calculated how long their food and water
stockpile would last based on the number of people who would probably be
with them during SHTF?
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I've got three months worth of food for three people at 3 meals a day and maybe two weeks for of water, three weeks if we just took whores bathes every couple of days so that we didn't offend each other, but still tried to save water. I've got a couple gallons of scent free bleach and some water purification tablets for found water (we're near a lake and a stream). The food would probably stretch a few more weeks if we ate just two meals a day, but that would be at near starvation rations a 1600 or 1700 calories a day.

I wish I had the money for a years worth of food, but I don't.

I was raised Mormon and the 1 year food supply of food idea kind of got drilled into me.

But if you don't have the money, you don't have the money. It's as simple as that.
 
So how does 200 rounds of shotgun ammo, 340 rounds of 7.62x54,300 rounds of 7.62x39, 200 .38, and maybe 1500 .22 stack up. Am I normal or do I need to be reaching for the tinfoil. As for food and water all I'm going to say is that the boy scout motto is "be prepared"
 
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Am I normal or do I need to be reaching for the tinfoil.
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Hard to tell what "normal" is.

In the strictest sense, "normal" means unprepared, since the vast majority of people are exactly that.

Things to remember: if/when things go bad, there are a number of things that will rather suddenly become hard to get, even impossible.

Ammo is on that list. You won't be trotting over to Wal*Mart to pick up a couple of cases.

So, do your math, work out your most likely scenarios (flooding, earthquake, blizzard, forest fire, whatever) and the social consequences of all that.

With that as a starting point, work out how long before things return to normal.

Then answer the question: do I have enough of everything for that duration?

I'd say 200 rounds of 12ga/20ga and .38 special will see you through several days of disruption. Given, of course, that you aren't situated in an urban hot zone or something.

As that period gets longer, the greater is the likelihood that ammo will be needed.

You will be better able to evaluate your parameters than any of us will.
 
My friends, family and neighbors that would be welcome know who they are. Heck, most of those have invited me and mine over if things go south.

Anyone else? Hard to say. I would hate to fall back on "I don't know you, and I don't owe you"
 
So how does 200 rounds of shotgun ammo, 340 rounds of 7.62x54,300 rounds of 7.62x39, 200 .38, and maybe 1500 .22 stack up. Am I normal or do I need to be reaching for the tinfoil. As for food and water all I'm going to say is that the boy scout motto is "be prepared"
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Any time I get below a thousand rounds of any caliber I get a little twitchy until I can stock up. I've got handguns in .22, .38, .357, .40, .44 Special, .44 Mag, .45 Colt, and .45 ACP. In rifles I've got .22, 5.56x45, 7.62x39, 7.62 NATO, .30 carbine, .44 Mag and 7.62x54R. Shotguns are all 20 or 12 Ga. Slacker! ;)

Oh yeah, forgot .303 Brit.
 
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