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SHTF-run and grab, which one?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by HI express, Dec 13, 2005.

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  1. HI express

    HI express Member

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    This scenario is based on a a real life.. and death situation that happened to a friend. Just like to hear your opinion and input.

    Let us say that you just got home from work. Your SO is in the living room waiting for you to shower and change so that you can out out to dinner. You put your weapon away so that you can shower. While you are showering. Some BGs try to force a home invasion. Your SO screams and you come out to see her crouching down behind the sofa, looking out of the front window. You duck down and look at where she is looking. Suddenly a couple of Molatov cocktails hit the front porch with one breaking the window and starting a fire inside the house. Then a volley of gun fire starts hitting the house. You peer out from behind cover and you see several BGs shooting at your house. You peer out the back window and see that there is a possible avenue of escape.

    You get some clothes on quickly. Yell at your SO that you are going out the back way. the fire is spreading rapidly inside of your house. You have to get out of the house if you are going to survive.

    You grab a weapon... The question is which gun do you take with you? What else do you take with you on your way out of your burning house?
    :cuss:
     
  2. entropy

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    I'd probably grab what's loaded and ready;The 870 and the 1911. Then I'd wonder who the heck I pissed off that much.

    Just curious; why would home invaders torch the place? Kinda like crappin' on your dinner before you eat it, eh?:scrutiny:
     
  3. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

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    I would try to grab my Colt AR15A3 and one of my 1911's. Then proceed to
    an area of safety and look for the perps, before the fire department and
    police units arrive. If found it probably would resemble the days of the old
    wild and wooley west~!:uhoh: :D
     
  4. Ala Dan

    Ala Dan Member in memoriam

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    I would try to grab my Colt AR15A3 and one of my 1911's. Then proceed to
    an area of safety and look for the perps, before the fire department and
    police units arrive. If found it probably would resemble the days of the old
    wild and wooley west~!:uhoh: :D
     
  5. MTMilitiaman

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    WASR-10 and a couple of 30 round magazines.
    Glock 20 and a couple of 15 round mags.
    Cell phone.
    Truck keys...mostly cause there is a Yugo SKS in the truck :)
     
  6. chopinbloc

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    i'm sorry but i wouldn't have responded that way. i would have skipped the clothes and grabbed the bushmaster. on my way out, i would have told my girly to call 911 and put the fire out. if the thugs were still anywhere remotely close, i'd have smoked 'em. sorry but that's the way it is. before you complain about the legal issues, in az you can shoot someone for arson of an occupied structure. if it weren't legal, i still might shoot them. i would assist with the fire as quickly as it was safe. it is unlikely that we couldn't control the fire from two molotovs with the two fire extinguishers we have. i didn't buy one of those stupid little kiddie one for a stovetop fire. i got a 25lb and a 15lb. between those and a garden hose, we ought to be able to control it. if, for some bizarre reason we were unable to, i don't think i'd be able to let the m1a burn up.
     
  7. MTMilitiaman

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    Leaving a burning house seems pretty smart to me, especially if you are also being shot out from outside. I would get my family out of the burning house, get some lead out until the badguys had evacuated the area or were dead, then concentrate on the flames. But running around with water buckets and a hose isn't a valid defensive strategy IMO until the gunmen have been dealt with. In the meantime, I don't want my family anywhere near bullets or burning buildings. If I have a way to get them out of the area before dealing with either threat, I am going to take it.
     
  8. Darth Ruger

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    So what did your friend do?
     
  9. TexasRifleman

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    More importantly, what did your friend do to have people mad enough to torch the house? Tossing Molotov cocktails through the windows seems to move outside the norm for a "home invasion", unless it was in Rwanda or Serbia.
     
  10. hso

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    Rifle is preferable to shotgun is preferable to handgun

    Why is the wife cowering behind the couch instead of calling 911 and grabbing a gun?

    Why would you assume that the back is clear if they're trying to burn you out and are shooting up the house? These folks are trying to kill you and your family. I should assume they're covering the doors so I'd take a side window out.
     
  11. 6inch

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    I can't help but think the perps in this scenario are idiots. :rolleyes:

    Obviously the intention was is to kill the inhabitants so why not just ring the door bell, kill the person who answers then storm the house?

    With all the ruchus there guys made surely a neighbor would have called 911 and the cops would have been there ASAP!

    Okay, now that I've got that off my chest. I'd grab my AR15 (M4) and a pouch of three 30 round mags. :)
     
  12. Rupestris

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    Cocktailing a house is/was a tactic used by gang members in Urban areas.

    Step one - toss cocktail in house.

    Step two - wait for those inside to exit the burning house.

    Step three - open fire.

    Step four - drive on.

    Usually a tactic used between rival drug houses. At least thats whatI've been told.
     
  13. DigitalWarrior

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    This is not a robbery

    Molotovs and incoming fire, I probably reported their buddy to the police for stealing a car or something. They are not playing nice-nice, so neither would I.

    If I have a rifle and 30 rounds ready to go, good on me. If not the loaded 1911 with CT grips and 2 spare mags in the shoulder rig is Good Enough (tm)

    Wife stays inside stays low, calls in support.

    I am out the back after taking 5 seconds to have a looksy. Have a hearty shout of "Oh Lord, My God..." to see if I have any real good friends in the area as I run.

    Begin to Flank BGs.

    Hope to hell that they do not want me to use all 25 rounds.

    D\/\/
    BTW, does anyone know if there is a 1911 in the good old 357?
     
  14. chaim

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    In Baltimore a scenario like that has happened to a few people who testified against drug gangs (one high profile situation ended with an entire family dead, another ended with them somehow surviving).

    Anyway, I'm not sure if I'd run out the back door as my first choice. As already stated, they may have people covering the back- the fire and random gunfire from the front may simply be to push you out the back where they can kill you. Even if they aren't covering the back you are now in the open. A house may not be cover with modern building materials but it sure is concealment.

    That said, I also don't want to stay in a burning house. I'd try to put the fire out. If I couldn't there wouldn't be a choice but to leave through the back door.

    I would grab my Taurus PT140 Milennium Pro because it is my highest capacity handgun that is always loaded (I assume there will be multiple attackers in this situation), though if it is loaded I'm grabbing my CZ 75 instead (more rounds). I'm also grabbing one of my rifles- the one always loaded is my .45LC Winchester 94, but in this situation I think I'd prefer my SKS and while unloaded it does have a few stripper clips stored next to it.

    So, if the fire is out I'm taking that SKS and going to a 2nd floor window (don't stand in front of the window, stand off a little to the side or a little behind it) and see if I can see where the gunfire is coming from. If I can see the shooters they're getting a 7.62x39 COM or to the head (depending upon distance). If I can't, I guess I'll have to wait for the cops (too many other houses around where I live to just randomly fire).

    If I didn't get the fire out, I'll go out first (family members behind me) and watch carefully for shooters waiting out back. If there are any bad guys in the back, and they miss, they too will get a 7.62x39 to greet them.
     
  15. TallPine

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    Well now - there is the first mistake :p
     
  16. Black Majik

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    Thats why you bring a Glock with you into the shower. And you can take the Glock with you as you bug out, so that your Glock doesn't melt as it was confirmed by some of THR members. ESPECIALLY in SHTF situations :evil:

    Actually let me take that back. I'd take the 1911, the Glock can melt away. I wont care. :D
     
  17. Darth Ruger

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    Ditto. I've heard stories about people that had a break-in when they were in the shower (your friend is the latest example). So, since I carry at home all the time anyway, when I get in the shower my Glock is in it's holster hanging on a towel hook right next to the shower door. When I'm done, it goes back on me.
     
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    Seems awfully unlikely that two law-abiding citizens residing in the US would be confronted with such an assault. Where did this take place?
     
  19. MudPuppy

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    I'm taking the AMD-63 with a 30 rdr. Maybe the handgun, but that's a distant second to the rifle. (Of course, I'd have to contend with the danger of LEO showing up and smoking me!)

    Coonan used to make a 1911 style in 357 Mag. I don't know of anything else that is close.
     
  20. Camp David

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    I crouch low, reaching up only to yank the trusted lanyard on the 20lb Napolean, which is preloaded and preaimed streetward with double cannister shot, and watch with amusement as seven neighborhood kids are mowed down like grass on the front lawn!

    :p
     
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    Grab first: My cell phone....to call for backup. ( I want to call the police myself so that I know its been done and I want to be talking to the police dispatcher when the police arrive so I can describe myself...as a homeowner.)

    Grab second: My SO.

    Grab third: Firearm of some sort...hand cell phone to SO. (Drop firearm when police arrive.)
     
  23. f4t9r

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    AR 15 and a P220 sig

    LETS PARTY :D
     
  24. Black Majik

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    First thing I'm handing my SO would be a GUN.....
     
  25. Too Many Choices!?

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    PDW AR-15 pistol, This specific scenario is what it was made for:uhoh:lol

    10 1/2" PDW, with two coupled 30 round mags, holo sight, Glock 23 with 15 rounder, spare 10 rounder, and I would be out the door to flank the firers:). I would shoot with reckless abandon, reducing the drag coefficient of anybody pointing a firerm at my home(hell maybe pop the neighbor too, depending wich one:evil: ). I figure anybody with common sense, will have gotten to cover at the sound of handgun fire, anybody left standing there after shots ring out is an instant winner of a life time (all 15-30seconds left of it)supply of lead poisining:neener:, as there failure to flee would make me believe they are perps, otherwise invloved, or a blissninny too stupid to head for the hills(meaning no big loss if accidentaly hit:))
     
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