Sigs are better than Glocks !
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TexasBill
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Actually, SIG makes a rather nice .22. And, yes, I am talking about the Mosquito. No, it won't work with every brand of crap out there but if you keep it clean and feed it right, the Mosquito is a pleasure to shoot.
SIG itself recommends CCI Minimags, so that's what I load. I have also found Remington Golden Bullets in the bulk pack work well. Last time I was out at the range, I put about 150 rounds through the Mosquito and had only one problem and that was due to a dud round that wouldn't fire.
I don't like Glocks for a variety of reasons all of which are matters of personal preference. I like some of the SIGs, like the P226 and Mosquito. However, truth be told, my large-caliber, full-size pistol collection consists of a Beretta PX4 Storm type F and a FNP-9, both of which I find to be outstanding handguns.
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Full Metal Jacket
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unclicked subscribe for this thread. it's way past it's prime.
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The mosquito is an excellent pistol if you keep it well lubricated and use decent ammunition.
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WhiteHorse
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wow, I hope credibility isn't based solely on how long one has posted here and perhaps having actually fired these weapons in combat?
I have shot Glocks at the range, I like them but they feel "cookie cutter" to me.
I carry a SIG SP2022 in 9mm and while deployed have engaged human targets with a SIG P226 in 9mm on 2 occasions. Both times were one hit kills. One head shot and one center mass. I also like the 1911 in .45 but have never fired one in combat.
I think, justifiably, that the most effective weapon you can carry is the one that you are proficient with and....this is the big one...are willing to use to kill another human being.
If you are squeemish or really suck in general with your weapon it really doesn't matter what you carry right?
I have shot Glocks at the range, I like them but they feel "cookie cutter" to me.
I carry a SIG SP2022 in 9mm and while deployed have engaged human targets with a SIG P226 in 9mm on 2 occasions. Both times were one hit kills. One head shot and one center mass. I also like the 1911 in .45 but have never fired one in combat.
I think, justifiably, that the most effective weapon you can carry is the one that you are proficient with and....this is the big one...are willing to use to kill another human being.
If you are squeemish or really suck in general with your weapon it really doesn't matter what you carry right?
gordy
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After reading all of this post I must say.
Glocks are good guns, like a ford tauras, not real fancy not a lot of button to use and easy to understand. just drive
sigs are like a fine german sports car. lots of bells, levers and they make the ladies hot.
Glocks are good guns, like a ford tauras, not real fancy not a lot of button to use and easy to understand. just drive
sigs are like a fine german sports car. lots of bells, levers and they make the ladies hot.
SharpsDressedMan
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SIG's MIGHT be better than Glocks, because you can put walnut or ivory grips on them. I have seen walnut. Anyone got ivory on their SIG or Glock? (Who knows, by now SOMEONE has inletted walnut or ivory into the Glock grip frame..........).
Well I think there are plenty of great guns out there these days. And anything made by man is going to have issues from time to time specifically when an item such as a firearm is dependent upon a variable such as ammo and maintenance.
Here's a few things I found with regards to Sig Sauer;
…If you have a SIG SAUER P238 with a serial number between DA000501 and DA003216, please cease use of the firearm immediately. Not all P238s within the identified serial number range are affected; therefore, it is imperative that you contact us via the UPGRADE HOT LINE at 1 (866) 446-1914…
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Slide Fracture
This isn't supposed to happen with a solid steel forged slide
A report from Switzerland concerning a major slide fracture in a SIG Sauer P229 in the area immediately at the forward edge of the ejection port…
I send you this warning about the use of the mentioned pistol series. If you own one of them it might be a good idea to check with SIGARMS or your local dealer. I am not sure if this may also occur in the U.S. or if this is limited to the European market.
This particular event with 9 X 19mm SIG Sauer P229, Serial Number AL xxxxxx, (both slide and frame of German manufacture), happened in mid-August 2003 at the shooting range used by the Federal Office of Police in Switzerland. As the Range Master in Charge when it occurred I took the above photographs of the slide so you can see what happened and where. Ammunition was standard Swiss military issue, 9mm ball (Pist Pat 41¹) and there weren't more than 300 rounds through the pistol.
In September there were two more pistols with broken slides. One fractured completely and injured a female police recruit² in the chest (a lucky "punch" for point shooting). Fortunately the officer wasn't hurt badly… it was just a bruise on her chest.
The response of SIG Sauer representative SAN and the Sauer rep from Germany was that they were willing to exchange, under warranty, the slides on that entire series of pistols.
The investigation brought out that it wasn't a problem with materials but a manufacturing defect stemming from too sharp an angle³ at the forward left corner of the ejection port. We've found that quality in general deteriorated with SIG Sauer in the last couple of years, basically since the arms factory was sold from Switzerland to a German owner.
Make sure that you check all SIG Sauer P229 9 X 19mm pistols before using them…. there is already one injured police officer in Switzerland, and I think that is enough.
SIG-Sauer has been known to experience slide "toughness" problems in the past, but those were almost exclusively with the Navy's P226s issued, ironically, in the wake of the problems with the catastrophic slide failures of the Beretta M9s. The SEAL Teams's P226 slides were, according to one retired Special Operations officer, "beefed up," and are identified with an anchor marking. In addition, unspecified problems have recently caused a total of 41 Model P229s in 357 SIG to be removed from the Federal Air Marshals program.
A source familiar with the SIG product line looked at the images and agreed to follow up on the matter.
All P229 slides are CNC-machined from a solid steel forging, regardless of caliber, .40 S&W and 357 SIG as well as 9 X 19mm. Other SIG P22X models used slides of stamped metal. But an interesting fact came to light during this investigation: there is a different "cut" in the ejection port area in the European version, although SIG's engineers say that this is not the cause of the problem. The fractures, they say, appear to be an unusual combination of a materials problem and a process problem that should not recur.
As a precautionary measure Sauer is now making new slides for the Swiss agency, and is performing a type of magnaflux process to make sure this "cracking" does not recur.
I came across more than expected since Sig Sauer is one of the best handgun manufacturers around. BUT my point is that ANY firearm is bound to have issues. And the more plentiful a supply of any one brand that's out there, well the law of odds and averages says they will show more issues. So naturally Glock may have more reports of issues because there are tens of millions of Glocks in circulation. I like both manufacturers as well as HK; Beretta; B H-Power; and a ton of others. So I can't really "dog" a Glock over a Sig or a Sig over a Beretta or an HK over...
Here's a few things I found with regards to Sig Sauer;
…If you have a SIG SAUER P238 with a serial number between DA000501 and DA003216, please cease use of the firearm immediately. Not all P238s within the identified serial number range are affected; therefore, it is imperative that you contact us via the UPGRADE HOT LINE at 1 (866) 446-1914…
NEXT POST -
Slide Fracture
This isn't supposed to happen with a solid steel forged slide
A report from Switzerland concerning a major slide fracture in a SIG Sauer P229 in the area immediately at the forward edge of the ejection port…
I send you this warning about the use of the mentioned pistol series. If you own one of them it might be a good idea to check with SIGARMS or your local dealer. I am not sure if this may also occur in the U.S. or if this is limited to the European market.
This particular event with 9 X 19mm SIG Sauer P229, Serial Number AL xxxxxx, (both slide and frame of German manufacture), happened in mid-August 2003 at the shooting range used by the Federal Office of Police in Switzerland. As the Range Master in Charge when it occurred I took the above photographs of the slide so you can see what happened and where. Ammunition was standard Swiss military issue, 9mm ball (Pist Pat 41¹) and there weren't more than 300 rounds through the pistol.
In September there were two more pistols with broken slides. One fractured completely and injured a female police recruit² in the chest (a lucky "punch" for point shooting). Fortunately the officer wasn't hurt badly… it was just a bruise on her chest.
The response of SIG Sauer representative SAN and the Sauer rep from Germany was that they were willing to exchange, under warranty, the slides on that entire series of pistols.
The investigation brought out that it wasn't a problem with materials but a manufacturing defect stemming from too sharp an angle³ at the forward left corner of the ejection port. We've found that quality in general deteriorated with SIG Sauer in the last couple of years, basically since the arms factory was sold from Switzerland to a German owner.
Make sure that you check all SIG Sauer P229 9 X 19mm pistols before using them…. there is already one injured police officer in Switzerland, and I think that is enough.
SIG-Sauer has been known to experience slide "toughness" problems in the past, but those were almost exclusively with the Navy's P226s issued, ironically, in the wake of the problems with the catastrophic slide failures of the Beretta M9s. The SEAL Teams's P226 slides were, according to one retired Special Operations officer, "beefed up," and are identified with an anchor marking. In addition, unspecified problems have recently caused a total of 41 Model P229s in 357 SIG to be removed from the Federal Air Marshals program.
A source familiar with the SIG product line looked at the images and agreed to follow up on the matter.
All P229 slides are CNC-machined from a solid steel forging, regardless of caliber, .40 S&W and 357 SIG as well as 9 X 19mm. Other SIG P22X models used slides of stamped metal. But an interesting fact came to light during this investigation: there is a different "cut" in the ejection port area in the European version, although SIG's engineers say that this is not the cause of the problem. The fractures, they say, appear to be an unusual combination of a materials problem and a process problem that should not recur.
As a precautionary measure Sauer is now making new slides for the Swiss agency, and is performing a type of magnaflux process to make sure this "cracking" does not recur.
I came across more than expected since Sig Sauer is one of the best handgun manufacturers around. BUT my point is that ANY firearm is bound to have issues. And the more plentiful a supply of any one brand that's out there, well the law of odds and averages says they will show more issues. So naturally Glock may have more reports of issues because there are tens of millions of Glocks in circulation. I like both manufacturers as well as HK; Beretta; B H-Power; and a ton of others. So I can't really "dog" a Glock over a Sig or a Sig over a Beretta or an HK over...
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Kinda of a tangential subject really, but what the hey...
Ran across a pistol in the gun shop from "Austrian Sporting Arms" or ASA; although I'd never heard of them, I *DID* come up with a slogan for their .22 pistol:
"For the discriminating shooter who requires the abysmally bad ergos of the Glock, yet in a terribly anemic caliber."
Of course Sigs are better than Glocks; but who isn't?
Ran across a pistol in the gun shop from "Austrian Sporting Arms" or ASA; although I'd never heard of them, I *DID* come up with a slogan for their .22 pistol:
"For the discriminating shooter who requires the abysmally bad ergos of the Glock, yet in a terribly anemic caliber."
Of course Sigs are better than Glocks; but who isn't?
hahahah, what a thread. Let's face it everyone, SIGs and Clocks are both great and reliable. Personally I am a SIG guy, I have a SIG P226 and enjoy shooting it more than any Glock. But I have friends that enjoy shooting shooting their Glocks more than any SIG, it all comes down to preference.
Also I know people with both Glocks and SIGs that have put over a thousand rounds through them with no problems, they are both very reliable.
Also I know people with both Glocks and SIGs that have put over a thousand rounds through them with no problems, they are both very reliable.
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Thatguy686
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ok so i just want to say to the op ur first mistake was saying glocks suck no matter how many mistakes u read about them now dont get me wrong i prefer sig over glock everyday but u also gotta think glocks are cheaper and the broke people who dont know anything about guns can get a glock and when they do they shoot the cheapest ammo and never clean them or take care of them thus the main failure with glocks
MTMilitiaman
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Neither my Glock 20 nor my P220SAO has been 100%, but my Glock has been closer to it than my SIG. I actually prefer the Glock and have my P220 all cleaned up and packaged in the original case because I am considering trading it towards a G19 or 30.
Interestingly, my P220 and my friend's SIG Pro .40 are the only two SIGs I've ever fired and neither of them has exhibited what I would consider "to hell and back" reliability. I fired one mag through the .40 and had a failure to feed. I gave the pistol back to him after one mag because the pistol seemed snappier than my G20, even though my G20 loaded with full power Double Tap 180 gr Gold Dots is more powerful. My SIG has problems returning to battery, even with ball ammo, at times.
My G20 had similar problems returning to battery, but not at nearly the rate of the SIG. And the Glock has been pretty good since I've put the 20 pound spring in it.
Interestingly, my P220 and my friend's SIG Pro .40 are the only two SIGs I've ever fired and neither of them has exhibited what I would consider "to hell and back" reliability. I fired one mag through the .40 and had a failure to feed. I gave the pistol back to him after one mag because the pistol seemed snappier than my G20, even though my G20 loaded with full power Double Tap 180 gr Gold Dots is more powerful. My SIG has problems returning to battery, even with ball ammo, at times.
My G20 had similar problems returning to battery, but not at nearly the rate of the SIG. And the Glock has been pretty good since I've put the 20 pound spring in it.
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~Boomslang~
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The fact of the matter is, one can hardly go wrong with either. Both Sig and Glock make fine weapons. I have read so many bad reviews on the Sig P250, and if one takes these reviews to heart they would be utterly certain that their Glock 23 will Kaboom on them after 3 magazines. Truth be told the Sig P250 had some initial growing pains, as many firearms do. However now, it is a fantastic pistol for those that want a DAO in a nice format. Buy one and Im sure it will be around longer than you. Buy a Glock and the same can be said.
ET
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Why the crap are people still bumping this thread? Isn't it dead yet? We all know that Glocks will fire with sand in them and Seals carry Sig's. But that makes me want to meet the man who took the time to train seals to shoot Sig's. Evidently the trigger guards are large enough for them to get their flippers in there to pull the trigger. Who would have thought seals could carry guns. Why didn't we discuss this in school? I now know to stay clear of seals in the water. Do walruses have guns also? Or is this just a seal phenomenon? I think I need to know!
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i know! let this thread R.I.P.!!
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