Silly myths you have had to fight with

[Rachen]

.45 ACP is better than 9mm Luger.

Or vice versa.......

 

[General Geoff]

Guns are weapons (gun are delivery systems; bullets are weapons unless you're beating someone w/ said gun)

Guns are certainly weapons. Bullets are ammunition, and must be used in conjunction with said weapons to be effective. Delivery system or not, it is an essential part of the weapon as a whole.

 

[tuckerdog1]

I must have missed this somewhere in the thread. I can't believe I'd get to page 4 and not see it.

You don't have to really aim a shotgun. Just point in the general direction, and it hits everything out there.

Tuckerdog1

 

[JesseL]

Guns are used to compensate for sexual inadequacy.

The general public will panic at the sight of an openly armed citizen.

All guns are designed for killing.

Using guns to kill is always a bad thing (maybe it's a bad thing but it's not always the worst thing).

If you open carry, someone will sneak up behind you and steal your gun.

If you open carry, you will be the first one shot in a robbery.

It's more effective to have a bullet stop inside the target and deposit all it's energy, than to have a bullet pass all the way through the target and 'waste' energy.

 

[retgarr]

Shoulder thing that goes up.

 

[kentucky bucky]

If you hit a man anywhere on his body with a .45acp, you will knock him off his feet.

Muzzleloaders with round balls shouldn't be used to shoot deer past 40 yards

Smoothbore muzzleloaders don't even need sights because you can't hit anything with them anyway.


Roundballs in muzzleloaders won't drop deer sized game proficiently.


Flintlocks are not accurate and have very slow ignition.

 

[brigadier]

This may have come from a movie scene in which someone did that, but that gun wasn't even a Glock, but a Beretta. Movie scenes, by their very nature, are contrived, scripted and choreographed. It is also possible for someone to grab the slide and push it back out of battery, which would keep the gun from firing, but not disassemble it.

That was the Jackie Chan movie: "Who am I" and under the circumstances, where the shooter was dumbfounded to learn that his gun wouldn't shoot, it MAY have been possible for someone with the hand skills that Jackie Chan has to take a Beretta down like that. Then again, Jackie Chan is not your average Joe when it comes to stuff like that and has spent his life learning to pull-off incredible stunts for real that most people can only dream of.
On top of that, Jackie Chan having done multiple movie scenes with fancy stunts in taking Berettas down, it is pretty clear that Jackie Chan has had allot of practice in doing it.

 

[.38 Special]

First link does not mention anything about whether the holster was covered or open. Second link has many incidents, none of which mention whether they're covered or open. Third link has one incident, which also does not mention whether the holster was covered or open. Most of these incidents involved guns which were either unholstered or being unholstered/reholstered at the time of the discharge, and as such have no bearing on this issue.

As you point out, essentially no peace officer carries an open rig. And all these incidents certainly do have bearing when the subject is the danger of a particular holster design. I've put up a number of links implicating enclosed holsters and ND. You've put up opinion and conjecture. Nothing wrong with that, of course, but your imagination hardly trumps reality.

Regardless, judging by your contributions here so far you seem primarily interested in picking fights. Enjoy yourself; I'm going to go shoot. Maybe even do some quick draw work from one of those deadly Jordan holsters.

 

[Hook686]

People are basically good.

 

[ojh]

There are really 2 recoil events when a rifle is fired. The acceleration of the bullet down the bbl apoun firing and the escaping gasses pushing the rifle rearward as the bullet exits the muzzle

This is a myth. All rearward recoil is caused by high-pressure gas inside the cartridge case, pushing the case, the bolt and the whole gun rearwards. The bullet and escaping gas can't push the gun gun rearbards, because they are moving forward. In fact, they push the gun slightly forward, because of friction between them and the inside of the barrel.

 

[Dookie]

Quote:
Gun owners are one united front with their ideals and personal feelings and agree on everything.

Oh no. Not that quite united. Yet.

There is still so much to be done to unite everybody. There are still way too much fence sitters out there.

That is why it is a myth. Because we are all lumped in together, whether we are law abiding, criminal or police.

 

[R.W.Dale]

escaping gas can't push the gun gun rearbards,

Well that's news to me I guess jet aircraft are propelled forward by MAGIC seeing as a High pressure stream of gas moving in the opposite direction of travel imparts NO energy.

Newton's third law


For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

All of the recoil that occurs while the bullet is inside the bbl comes from the accelerating mass of the bullet at this point the gasses are only a medium for transferring this recoil

The gas itself inside the barrel cannot impart recoil on it's own because it's pushing in all directions equally. Think of a pressurized OXYGEN tank. But once the bullet gets out of the way it's free to all go in the same direction. In which case is like taking a hammer and knocking the regulator of the aforementioned oxy tank. How do you think a muzzle brake works? And why do you think that the more overbore a cartridge is the more effective they are.

 

[lee n. field]

That would require a muzzle velocity of 36,700 fps. I imagine recoil would be impressive.

Get the bullet mass low enough, it would be tolerable.

 

[kd7nqb]

1. You need an FFL to buy a gun
2. You need some other ominous paperwork to buy a gun
3. Private sales are illegal in Oregon
4. When I carry a kydex paddle holster in the woods I am "just asking" for a weapon grab attempt because somebody can simply snap the paddle
5.Administrative rules prevent guns from entering a given space
6. At $200 tax on a silencer for a .22lr rifle when the rifle and the silencer together cost $185 is reasonable
7. This one is hard to articulate but there seems to be the belief even amongst the THR crowd that guns stop bullets. In the way that if your getting shot at and your CCW'ing your ok, no discussion about cover or concealment. (Mall ninja's who shoot the bullets out of the air in a missle intercept manner are exempt from this myth)
8. I am more likely to have my own gun used against me than it saving my life.
9. Because I have my CHL and own guns I must want to kill someone or be a violent person

 

[.cheese.]

Recoil starting after the bullet leaves the barrel.

True, this is false, but isn't it true that some guns are designed to keep the slide in place until the bullet has left the barrel?

 

[Dookie]

Quote:
Recoil starting after the bullet leaves the barrel.

True, this is false, but isn't it true that some guns are designed to keep the slide in place until the bullet has left the barrel?

Because of reaction time we generally don't feel the recoil until the bullet has actually left the barrel. otherwise guns would not be accurate as we would be jerking uncontrollably as the bullet was passing through the barrel.
Recoil may not happen after the bullet leaves the barrel but our reaction does.

 

[Zeke Markham]

Along the lines of recoil has anyone else heard the myth that recoil is caused by air rushing back into your barrel after you shoot?

 

[BlackJackal]

'The M4 is deadlier than the M16 because the bullets tumble out of a short barrel.' ...I blame the 'patriot pistol' scene in Metal Gear Solid 3. Thankfully I haven't had anyone SERIOUSLY state that 'you can get unlimited ammo by wearing the right headband'

Ha ha! if only! .. or maybe i just need to buy a drum thats shaped like the "infinity" symbol

 

[NotaBene]

Ha ha! if only! .. or maybe i just need to buy a drum thats shaped like the "infinity" symbol

If you call SIGINT, you have a short exchange and Snake mentions the mag is shaped like an infinity symbol.

 

[SeanMTX]

Quote:
This may have come from a movie scene in which someone did that, but that gun wasn't even a Glock, but a Beretta. Movie scenes, by their very nature, are contrived, scripted and choreographed. It is also possible for someone to grab the slide and push it back out of battery, which would keep the gun from firing, but not disassemble it.

That was the Jackie Chan movie: "Who am I" and under the circumstances, where the shooter was dumbfounded to learn that his gun wouldn't shoot, it MAY have been possible for someone with the hand skills that Jackie Chan has to take a Beretta down like that. Then again, Jackie Chan is not your average Joe when it comes to stuff like that and has spent his life learning to pull-off incredible stunts for real that most people can only dream of.
On top of that, having done multiple movie scenes with fancy stunts in taking Berettas down, it is pretty clear that Jackie Chan has had allot of practice in doing it.

Not true at all.

1. The movie was Lethal Weapon ( I believe 3) and it was Jet Li.
2. It was a Beretta 92, and it is NOT possible to remove the slide while a magazine is inserted.

It has nothing to do with the hand speed of Jackie Chan or anyone who was in the real movie. The gun simply will not allow the slide to be removed whilst a magazine is in place...loaded or not. (It was loaded in the movie and showed the lower frame with FMJ inserted.)


For the record, I know this because I have tried it on my Beretta 92.

 

[VARifleman]

For the glock, you can start the slide removal process while it's being pointed at you, but it won't come off far and still needs to have the trigger pulled. I haven't fully tried it, but I believe it will misfire in this state because the firing pin won't be pulled back much if at all. I do not know if it would be a good thing to test at the range either.

 

[1911Tuner]

but isn't it true that some guns are designed to keep the slide in place until the bullet has left the barrel?

Only if the slide is mechanically fixed to the frame. If the slide doesn't move until the bullet exits...it won't move. At least, not so you'd notice.

Physics 101:

You push on an object, and you're immediately pushed equally hard BY that object via the force vector provided by your arm. This is action and reaction, and there is no delay in the reaction. This applies, whether pushing or pulling.

Recoil may not happen after the bullet leaves the barrel but our reaction does.

The gun is in recoil while the bullet is in the barrel. Action and reaction begin at the same instant. The more massive side of the action/reaction pair will accelerate more slowly...and it may only move a fraction of an inch...but as long as the force applied is large enough to overcome the object's resistance to acceleration...move it must. It doesn't have a choice.

But, let's stick to the orginal topic.
A discussion on the physics of action and reaction is meat for another thread.

 

[scrat]

You cant shoot a Deer with a 30-30. That gun is for target shooting only. You need a bigger gun.

 

[Mr White]

Carolyn McCarthy is a rational and intelligent human being.

 

[RoadkingLarry]

Nothing lighter than a 7mm magnum is suitable for deer.