FranklyTodd
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I said yes, but I carry either DA0 snub (M&P340) or DA/SA (P2000SK). I don't think I would with a Glock...
Pure opinion..and not a very well-informed opinion, at that.It is certainly not the fastest way to get into action, but it is the safest for barely-trained civilian carry in the usual crowded Israeli civilian environments (schools, busses, streets, malls, etc). A dropped gun will not fire, and a lost or misplaced gun found in cond 3 is safer than in cond 1.
Very true Nelson, plus, the repeated chambering of a round in this nature could cause the bullet to become seated farther back in the case and increase pressure to unsafe levels... all it takes is 1/16 of an inch in .40 to double the chamber pressure... if I remember correctly.IMHO, anyone who would advocate carrying an auto with the chamber empty for self defense hasn't been in a self defense situation. You stop thinking and react as you have trained. Unless you train repeatedly to draw and rack, you probably won't. Drawing early and racking the gun could be seen as a provocation in legal terms, especially with so many of the jury pool trained by tv and movies. If you feel the need for an empty hamber, carry a revolver.
9MMare said:OTOH, in my nightstand, I dont keep one in the chamber. I think I'll have enough time to rack if I hear an intruder at nite.
That may cause problems if you intend to use the same weapon for concealed carry that you use for a nightstand gun. Repeatedly chambering the same round will cause the bullet to eventually become recessed in the case, which will increase the pressures inside the barrel when the weapon is fired. Not saying you're wrong for doing it, just saying it's something that should be a consideration
You're wrong.Yes, YOUR revolver has a 12lb trigger and YOUR Glock has a 5.5lb trigger. I've seen a lot of revolvers in the 5-6lb range and Glocks are available with 12lb triggers. Not that it matters since none of those will be forgiving of a goof with their finger where it doesn't belong.
You're wrong.
A 12 lbs. trigger is much more forgiving than a 5 lbs. trigger should a "goof" have their finger where it doesn't belong.
This is why there were quite a few cases of cops having negligent discharges when they transitioned from revolvers to handguns like the Glock.
For years they got away with poor finger control (because a heavy double-action revolver trigger is not an easy thing to accidentally pull), but the Glock was quick to make an example of them.
Heck, I sometimes jog with my revolver in my front pocket.
There's no way I would do that with a Glock.
BTW, who the heck would put a 12 lbs trigger on a Glock?
I'll never understand why a revolver is good to go, but yet people think a semi auto needs manual safeties and or no round chambered to be safe.
As for who would put a 12 lb trigger on a Glock, that would be the NYPD. Glock developed a replacement trigger called the New York trigger. It is designed to feel like a DAO revolver.
It's called a proper DA trigger. That's why I like the Kel Tec P11 trigger. It's very smooth and easy to use, but long and very safe to carry. I carry revolvers and autos and a TRUE DA auto is the only auto for me. Not only is it safer to carry and just as accurate if you take the time to learn it, it also keeps the training similar, just pull that DA on the first shot.
Actually, the NY trigger is an 8 lb trigger and has the same short throw as I understand it. It's just the installation of a stiffer trigger return spring. It wouldn't have helped Plaxico. Anyone that carries a glock in anything short of Kydex or very stiff leather with full coverage for the trigger is a potential Plaxico.
N.Y.1 The GLOCK „New York“ trigger has its name from the New York Police Department. It facilitates officers changing from revolvers to pistols. Increases trigger pull weight from 2,5 kg / 5.5 lb. to 4,9 kg / 11 lb.
N.Y.2 The N.Y.2 trigger spring is even harder than the N.Y.1 trigger spring. The user will obtain a continuous very hard revolver-like increase of the trigger pull weight from 3,2 kg / 7 lb. to 5 kg / 11 lb.
When a person is posting information that is simply wrong, there's nothing uncivil about telling that person that he is wrong.Belting out "your wrong" like that isn't exactly the high road way, but since you at least made somewhat of a case, I'll respond.
I'm not advocating running around with one's finger on the trigger, regardless of the type of gun.While saying that a 12 lb trigger is "more" forgiving than a 6 lb is true, neither are what I would consider forgiving. One ND is one too many. I don't consider any gun to be safe with a finger on the trigger or jogging around with it rumbling loose in your pocket.
And why did NY feel the need to add a 12 lbs trigger?As for who would put a 12 lb trigger on a Glock, that would be the NYPD. Glock developed a replacement trigger called the New York trigger. It is designed to feel like a DAO revolver.
Nothing I said was uncivil.Now if you don't mind, please be civil.
When a person is posting information that is simply wrong, there's nothing uncivil about telling that person that he is wrong.
I'm not advocating running around with one's finger on the trigger, regardless of the type of gun.
But it is safe to carry a non-cocked revolver, with a heavy double-action trigger, in a manner that may be unsafe to carry certain other handguns, like a Glock.
And a single-action revolver can be carried about any way you like.
You can even twirl an uncocked single-action revolver around your trigger-finger all day long without the chance of a negligent discharge.
ALL HANDGUNS ARE NOT EQUAL WHEN IT COMES TO CARRY METHODS.
And why did NY feel the need to add a 12 lbs trigger?
Because, as I have said, the heavier trigger is more forgiving of human mistakes than a lighter trigger.
Nothing I said was uncivil.
Everybody is wrong sometime.
eJack,
Do you honestly believe that carrying an uncocked double-action revolver, with a 12 lbs 1" pull trigger, is equally as safe or dangerous as carrying a Glock with a 5 lbs .5" pull trigger in the same carry manner?
For example:
Do you think that carrying a standard unaltered Ruger GP100 revolver tucked in the waistband (aka "mexican carry") is equally safe or dangerous as carrying a standard unaltered Glock 17 in the same manner?