"Sniper Rifles"

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I suppose an old Swedish 41b would be out of the question eh? Sans scope and mount I think Samco has them relatively cheap. Kinda does qualify as a sniping rifle, tho probably more of a long range target rifle as the Swedes sat out most conflicts... and I don't think they have too many little winged snipes (B1RDS) running or flying around that far north they'd waste 6.5SE on.

Still and all, thought I'd throw the old milsurp out there for minor consideration and/or passing fancy. The 6.5x55 or it's little brother .260 Rem are worth considering if you reload FWIW. Might not be 1K yard material tho.
 
You can convert a MN into a match grade 1000 yard rifle. You just need to replace all the parts
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Yep. :)

Get an 308 SPS for like 600. Spend the other 200 on truing the action and bedding. Save up another 300 for like a Nikon 4.5x14x40 buckmaster w/mil-dot. The rifle will most likely be capable of greater accuracy than you ever will and a solid budget build at that.
 
Read this:
http://8541tactical.com/budget%20precision%20article.php


There are lots of ways to go to get a good tactical rifle. The Remington M700 is the most efficient way to do it, because if you decide to upgrade and modify the rifle, there are significantly more accessories, parts, stocks and mounting solutions than for any other rifle. There are also legitimate alternatives that give great value for the money.
One does not need a $3000 precision rifle to shoot sub-MOA groups, and one does not need a $3000 rifle to participate in precision rifle competitions. Often times, the most heavily modified rifles are the most problematic. It's best to start out small and work your way up. Figure out what you want in a rifle by shooting a "beginner setup" before you drop 3-6 months' worth of pay on a top-end or highly-modified rifle. You may decide that you dislike something or prefer something else. Better to do it with an $800 rifle than a $4000 rifle.
 
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The Army is currently rebuilding all the rifles with .300 Win Mag as the caliber of choice.
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WOW, that's a major statement. I'm not sure it's true even the way you meant it, much less what you actually said. :D
 
The Army is currently rebuilding all the rifles with .300 Win Mag as the caliber of choice.
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Last I heard they were upgrading some (3600) of their M24's into .300 win mag
 
The plan is to modify all the M24s at some point (supposedly). The Army had the foresight to make the M24 a long action receiver for this exact purpose.
 
I'm into this basic setup...

$800 WOW.... I'm into this 'starter package' for the F Class thing and my rifle was $1900., bi-pod $80., Scope $2,000., case $220., cost of building an acurate round about $200. and this is just the beginning. $4,400.
You might want to up your bank account estimate a tiny bit more. It's a Savage 110 BA in the .300 Win Mag caliber, with Nightorce 12-42 x 56 glass, Harris under the stock.

But it WILL shoot under .5 MOA and I'm capable of placing 2 5-shot groups inside of 3" at 550 yards. Only one outing did I run out to a 1000 yards and I was able to hit 5 out of 5 on a 24" diameter target. Hardly a world record! But it aint easy with the wind doing weird stuff... like blowing across the range in front of me.


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What do the guys at Camp Perry shoot at 1000 yards? K31's?;-)
Wasn't 30-06 a little better at 1000, since it stays supersonic, and, some .308's
loose accuracy by going subsonic?
 
ghost, that rig is sick. All you need to do now is toss that harris and get an Atlas. :)
 
I take the magic words as "fun range gun". This winter I was bored and wanted another project to mess with. I was calling on a pistol and for kicks ask if they ever ordered in Howas. The manager fellow said he had a new Weatherby Vanguard with a semi heavy barrel in .308. It's built by Howa and the price was good. Being I have a few thousand bullets and brass to burn I took it. I wanted to set a rifle up for the best bang for the buck kinda deal so I put the Bushnell 5-15 3200 AO scope on it with mill dots. Mounted it up with TPS rings and 2 piece Warne bases. Lapped them in somewhere around 20-30 strokes. The stock I went with was a Bell and Carson Weatherby/Monte Carlo style aluminum bedded jobby with flat fore end. Whole price was around 1000 dollars. I think the thing weighs about ten pounds. I never got too caught up with getting the best because finding a place to even shoot a thousand yards round here is near impossible. The only time I've ever shot that far was when I dated a girl whos dad was a farmer and had a 990 yard field. A real eye opener. I had a Olympic heavy barrel 1-8 twist 24" AR 15 with Leupold 4.5-14 scope zinging out 68 hornadys. Hmm, put up a fridge box and ended up aiming at a limb most the way up a tree behind it to even get on target. I got around 3-4 foot group. So when this hideous snow and cold subsides, I'll take this maybe 600 yard unit out for a spin. Petros
 
I think a Savage is the best "bang for the buck" way into a sniper rifle. They are extremely accurate and have a lot of great features like a pillar bedded stock and adjustable trigger, which cost more from other manufactureres. I don't know about the removeable mags though... I hear sometimes they have problems with popping out at the least opportune times under recoil. This isn't a problem unique to Savages, either. This could be decidedly inconvenient if it were to occur at the wrong time.

Yes, I call mine a sniper rifle... one of the reasons I own it is the possibility of having to use it against human targets. It may not be a very likely possibility for me, but that is the rifle's purpose in my arsenal.

I love this forum, but there is definitely a subset of individuals on here who have a very "serf-like" view towards gun owning citizens, who don't seem to buy into the main idea behind the Second Amendment.

I think a rifle may be designed for a variety of roles by the manufacturer, but it is the user who gives it its purpose. I'll keep calling mine a "sniper rifle," thank you very much.
 
Why is it that anytime accurate long range rifles are discussed a few always try to include Mausers, MN's and other military rifles from the ealy 1900's? Those things are tomato stakes at best.
 
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Why is it that anytime accurate long range rifles are discussed a few always try to include Mausers, MN's and other military rifles from the ealy 1900's? Those things are tomato stakes at best.
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You mean "early 2000s", no? The M28/76 was still being used in the 1990s by Finnish sniper squads during training and qualifications. The TAK85 is still being used, although they're not -- yet? -- available in the US.

It was included because the Finns have shown that you can make an accurate long-range rifle out of a Mosin without "replacing everything." A number of internet vendors have M28/76s available (complete with aperture sights) for under what the OP wants to spend, leaving enough money for ammunition ... and ultimately, that's what's important -- practice, practice, PRACTICE.

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joed said:
Why is it that anytime accurate long range rifles are discussed a few always try to include Mausers, MN's and other military rifles from the ealy 1900's? Those things are tomato stakes at best.
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You might change your mind if you got shot in the chest at 800 yards by a Mauser or MN.
 
henschman, the issue is not the resulting pain and agony of being hit. The issue is having a rifle which is accurate enough that a qualified shooter could actually make a hit wilfully, deliberately and with the first shot at that distance.
 
joed said:
Why is it that anytime accurate long range rifles are discussed a few always try to include Mausers, MN's and other military rifles from the ealy 1900's? Those things are tomato stakes at best.
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I'm not sure where you get them being good only for tomato stakes? Just because they don't have a $2000+ scope or a $500+ stock and/or the ability to hang a bunch of tacti-cool crap on them doesn't mean they can't be phenomenal shooters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKO3IJ4cdqI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95uwo4gH-7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ-Lcvyrifw

I'm guessing the reason people mention some of these antiques is because they are much more accurate than most credit them.
 
henschman, the issue is not the resulting pain and agony of being hit. The issue is having a rifle which is accurate enough that a qualified shooter could actually make a hit wilfully, deliberately and with the first shot at that distance.
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If somebody misses you at 800 yards with either of those rifles, it was not the rifle's fault... it was the shooter's. A man-sized target is about 2.5 MOA at 800. I don't know of very many mil surps that aren't capable of that with some halfway decent ammo.

The point being, there may be more accurate rifles out there nowadays, but it doesn't mean that surplus rifles cannot be used for long range shooting.
 
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A man-sized target is about 2.5 MOA at 800. I don't know of very many mil surps that aren't capable of that with some halfway decent ammo.
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2.5MOA at 100 yards does not equate to 2.5MOA at 800 yards. There is a reason that LR shooters like rifles that are sub-1.0MOA rifles at 100 yards.

Don
 
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