Zerodefect
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That's what I just said, LOL.
Wrong again.Otherwise, Dm, NATO was looking at a PDW, not a handgun. A sidearm was an add-on.
You're still wrong. The weapons were to be developed in conjunction with each other (which is what FN did), and there was no focus on one or the other in the requirements outlined by NATO. The purpose of the PDW was to give better range and firepower than a 9mm pistol, in a shoulder-fired package; the purpose of the PDW-caliber pistol was to do the same thing in a smaller package, for those who couldn't carry a P90 at all times. For example, Belgian Air Force pilots adopted the Five-seveN, not the P90, because it meets their needs better.No, you are wrong.
The performance criteria was focused on the PDW. The pistol was to fire the same round. In the past, the pistol round determined the subgun, the PDW's predecessor. NATO sought the other way around, a PDW better than a subgun that would determine the side arm that could be used in conjunction with the PDW. Performance out of the PDW was the presiding concern.
Utterly false. That is a complete fabrication on your part. NATO outlined size, weight, capacity, and performance characteristics for PDW-caliber pistols, just like they did for the shoulder-fired PDWs.The whole purpose was to have commonality of ammo, with the PDW's performance being paramount
See above, where it was explained to you that NATO would have replaced the 9x19mm with the 5.7x28mm by now, if not for Germany/HK and the 4.6x30mm stalling the process. That is established fact.And, the concern was so great that NATO, a decade later, still has not gone that route.
Actually, there haven't been enough shootings with this round to determine how effective it is when compared to the 9mm Para, the ,40 S&W, and the ,45ACPThe statistics involving this round show its on par with other handgun calibers in terms of how effective they are.
I would like proof of this statement because it sounds like a load of BS, Level IV body armor is made to stop armor piercing .30-06, i highly doubt that any handgun can penetrate that and definitely not both the front and back.
This is incorrect. It was the other way around. Mark Wilson was behind a vehicle shooting at the killer wearing body armor. He hit the killer several times with his .45 ACP carry pistol, and it had no effect. The killer advanced on Wilson and one of his bullets dropped him; he then came around the side of the vehicle and executed Wilson there.
Actually, there haven't been enough shootings with this round to determine how effective it is when compared to the 9mm Para, the ,40 S$W, and the ,45AVP
And, dude, you are sick.
Actually, there are dozens upon dozens of shootings with 5.7x28mm every year (most of them in Mexico). The round performs every bit as well as any of the common pistol calibers like the 9mm.Actually, there haven't been enough shootings with this round to determine how effective it is when compared to the 9mm Para, the ,40 S$W, and the ,45AVP
One would think that the FiveseveN is the standard issue sidearm for the drug lords there. Where are they getting all those guns from extactly?
Level IV is going to be a "See it to believe it deal" I think.
I'll give ya level II though.
30% died? Maybe so, but we don't know how quickly those who were shot stopped their aggressive acts and ceased to be a threat.About 30% of people shot actually die, FiveseveN met this. I didn't want to bring it up but the Hassan shooting did show this.
Yes the .22LR has killed many people....and it still sucks as a combat/self defense handgun caliber.I think the "not enough data" statement is a bit disengenous. I've heard [I'm sure someone knows the documentation] that the .22lr has killed many people. It is, in no way, the potency of the 5.7X28.
Dozens upon dozens....Actually, there are dozens upon dozens of shootings with 5.7x28mm every year (most of them in Mexico). The round performs every bit as well as any of the common pistol calibers like the 9mm.
We do; everyone that was killed in the incident immediately stopped their actions. Two of the Fort Hood victims (1 soldier, 1 civilian) actually charged the shooter with chairs, but both were shot and died before they could reach him.30% died? Maybe so, but we don't know how quickly those who were shot stopped their aggressive acts and ceased to be a threat.
"Reputation" (i.e. hearsay) is utterly irrelevant.The .22 has a dismal reputation for quickly stopping aggressive humans.
The 9mm and .45 ACP are proven to work well with good shot placement, and they are proven to work very, very poorly with poor shot placement. Actually, the unofficial record for "most gunshot wounds survived" goes to a New York man that was shot 21 times by NYPD with 9mm hollowpoints.The 9mm Para and the .45ACP have been proven in hundred of thousands of shootings
Not dozens, but dozens upon dozens of shootings have established that the 5.7x28mm is every bit as effective as the common pistol calibers, even with FN's factory loads (EA's loads are much hotter)."Dozens" of shootings just doesn't cut the mustard
No, we don't.We do;
Such a low number of shooting data wouldn't cut the mustard in even a junior high school stats class.Well over one hundred people have been shot with 5.7x28mm in verifiable cases, and easily over two hundred
So reputation is utterly irrelevant when it comes to the .22LR, but reputation is totally relevant when it comes to the dozens of five-seven shootings in Mexico???"Reputation" (i.e. hearsay) is utterly irrelevant.The .22 has a dismal reputation for quickly stopping aggressive humans.