Seems like everyone is talking about those "little black rifles", again, What's up with this, I almost took the plunge too, been looking at them all week. Are we going to war , did I miss the memo? Are the prices going to skyrocket, is Obamma, or Hillary going to shut down the Assault rifle ownership again, will we have to give them back, get a new tax levied on them, go in some secret black book, I just want to know, should we be stocking up on 223's, someone tell me, it's starting to hurt my head, lol. I just hope we don't all get stuck with a bunch of plastic rifles with enough optics so I have to re-finance my house. Please let me in on what covert plan is bieng hatched.
So why are we buying all these AR's again
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JLelli
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You certainly shouldn't feel obligated to purchase one. If you don't like AR-style weapons, then don't buy one.
Hardtarget
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What plan, why is it covert? Does the rifle have to be black? I don't have a 223. Who is hatching this? Crap! I'm way behind the curve!...and I just got an M1 Garand. Is it too big? 
Just playing! I see what you mean. I admit, though, I want a Stag Arms left hand...and I really don't know what I would do with it except punch little holes in paper. Thats OK. Thats all I do with my other guns too.
Mark
Just playing!
I see what you mean. I admit, though, I want a Stag Arms left hand...and I really don't know what I would do with it except punch little holes in paper. Thats OK. Thats all I do with my other guns too.Mark
Acera
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Ok it is very simple. Both Democratic candidates support the return of the assault rifle ban, but not on a temporary basis. They want to make it forever. Now some of us remember what happened to prices when the last bill took hold. They went up, and did not come down until the ban was lifted. We also understand that a lot of us were not smart enough (or able, I was too young) to buy full auto stuff before 1986 ban hit, and look at those prices we have had to pay today. When the supply stops, the demand will drive prices up.
Buy receivers if you can't afford the entire gun. You ought to be able to get them in the $100 range ($900 got you 10 DPMS's at the Houston Gun Show today). Wait a few years until they become worth $1,000's+ and sell some or all of them. I base that on the past history of most of the major components not going up in price the same extent as the compete gun did. (You may have to build up your own rifles to cash in on the full value of the investment.) Since they will be "Pre Ban" you should be able to put all the evil stuff like a bayonet lug and pistol grip on them. I also suggest buying magazines with larger than 10 round capacity, but I don't see the immediate profit potential in those. But I feel I need as many as my needs, my future children's and grand children's needs are.
I don't like waking up and saying "I wish I had bought those things when I could have and they were cheap."
But that is OK gym. I will sell you one of mine in a couple of years, but it will cost you
Buy receivers if you can't afford the entire gun. You ought to be able to get them in the $100 range ($900 got you 10 DPMS's at the Houston Gun Show today). Wait a few years until they become worth $1,000's+ and sell some or all of them. I base that on the past history of most of the major components not going up in price the same extent as the compete gun did. (You may have to build up your own rifles to cash in on the full value of the investment.) Since they will be "Pre Ban" you should be able to put all the evil stuff like a bayonet lug and pistol grip on them. I also suggest buying magazines with larger than 10 round capacity, but I don't see the immediate profit potential in those. But I feel I need as many as my needs, my future children's and grand children's needs are.
I don't like waking up and saying "I wish I had bought those things when I could have and they were cheap."
But that is OK gym. I will sell you one of mine in a couple of years, but it will cost you
Same reason we buy any gun. We want that particular gun. No reason to explain. You don't want one, buy what you want.
Yes, I do fear the harm a Democratic House and Senate can do with a Democratic President. Especially if he has a pesonal anti-gun agenda like Pelosi and Leahey.
Yes, I do fear the harm a Democratic House and Senate can do with a Democratic President. Especially if he has a pesonal anti-gun agenda like Pelosi and Leahey.
DoubleTapDrew
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Every time there is a possible democratic candidate taking a high position it happens. We remember what Clinton did with the ineffective "assault weapons ban". Barack Hussein already has said he wants to ban semi-auto rifles and hillary isn't any better. If you don't like black rifles don't buy em.
It really sucks that we feel we have to get what we can while we can (realistic or not) as gun owners.
The prices went ballistic during the last ban and that one had a sunset. A permanent one would really suck. I hope most people are buying them because they like those rifles. The ones that do it to make a profit disgust me and just drive prices higher, like the DOW Jones for firearms.
If it looks like one of the democratic candidates are going to win, expect a buying frenzy and more price hikes. If there is another AWB, prices will go ballistic if there is a grandfather clause. If there isn't...well, hold onto your shorts. America has had to deal with this before and dealt with it appropriately.
It really sucks that we feel we have to get what we can while we can (realistic or not) as gun owners.
The prices went ballistic during the last ban and that one had a sunset. A permanent one would really suck. I hope most people are buying them because they like those rifles. The ones that do it to make a profit disgust me and just drive prices higher, like the DOW Jones for firearms.
If it looks like one of the democratic candidates are going to win, expect a buying frenzy and more price hikes. If there is another AWB, prices will go ballistic if there is a grandfather clause. If there isn't...well, hold onto your shorts. America has had to deal with this before and dealt with it appropriately.
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We're buying all these rifles and everything else that goes with them because some morally corrupt men and women who make legislation within our government would like to end our ability to defend ourselves from the possibility of their absolute tyranny. They would like to refuse to honor the terms of the moral contract that was drawn up between the founding fathers of the Republic, the individual former colonies and the residents therein who would become citizens of these newly United States of America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZBtVBh9Ok0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZBtVBh9Ok0
jakeswensonmt
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Definite possibilities.
Well, only the furniture is plastic, and even if they never do become hard to obtain, I sure am enjoying mine, so as for being "stuck", I sure don't feel that way. And as for optics, I'm running a flat top with the stock iron peep sights, and have been thoroughly impressed with what this little rifle can do box-stock, been able to consistently make good shots at long distances.
What we need to do.
Rather than stocking up on soon to be overpriced guns, I suggest we make better use of our time and money.
Barrack or Hilliary can't ban our guns if the Congress doesn't pass the legislation.
Recently 250 house members and 55 senators signed on to support the individual rights position of Heller on the Supreme court case.
Our country has alot of problems going on. Even if the Dems control all three branches of government, their hold is weak.
Many Democrats got elected by being pro gun. The reality is many members of congress in both parties don't want to vote on any gun legislation because it is a political loser, regardless of which way they vote.
There are other issues that Americans care more about than guns. It is those issues that we need to crank up the attention on so that the house and senate just don't have the time to consider any gun legislation.
Issues like health care, education, the enviroment, Iraq and social security are issues that could tie congress up so much that they just wouldn't have the time to deal with the issue.
If you are in a district where the Congress man is anti gun, he isn't going to care if you make comments about your second amendment rights.
He may care though if you say to him that you are concerned about health care and you feel that wasting time on the divisive issue of gun control when we have so many other pressing issues that need attention now is a major disservice to his constituents.
The reality is gun control is not a high priority issue for most politicians, in fact it is a issue most run away from.
Barrack Obama may be anti gun, but he is not stupid. We have major issues that effect all of us regardless of political ideology, and if he is smart, he will focus on issues that he can build agreements on and avoid divisive issues like the plague.
The gun community needs to go on offense, the sooner, the better.
Who knows, we might be able to even turn back some bad laws.
Rather than stocking up on soon to be overpriced guns, I suggest we make better use of our time and money.
Barrack or Hilliary can't ban our guns if the Congress doesn't pass the legislation.
Recently 250 house members and 55 senators signed on to support the individual rights position of Heller on the Supreme court case.
Our country has alot of problems going on. Even if the Dems control all three branches of government, their hold is weak.
Many Democrats got elected by being pro gun. The reality is many members of congress in both parties don't want to vote on any gun legislation because it is a political loser, regardless of which way they vote.
There are other issues that Americans care more about than guns. It is those issues that we need to crank up the attention on so that the house and senate just don't have the time to consider any gun legislation.
Issues like health care, education, the enviroment, Iraq and social security are issues that could tie congress up so much that they just wouldn't have the time to deal with the issue.
If you are in a district where the Congress man is anti gun, he isn't going to care if you make comments about your second amendment rights.
He may care though if you say to him that you are concerned about health care and you feel that wasting time on the divisive issue of gun control when we have so many other pressing issues that need attention now is a major disservice to his constituents.
The reality is gun control is not a high priority issue for most politicians, in fact it is a issue most run away from.
Barrack Obama may be anti gun, but he is not stupid. We have major issues that effect all of us regardless of political ideology, and if he is smart, he will focus on issues that he can build agreements on and avoid divisive issues like the plague.
The gun community needs to go on offense, the sooner, the better.
Who knows, we might be able to even turn back some bad laws.
Lucky
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FN SCAR coming out should make AR15s obsolete, right? Aluminum and plastic, lots of rails, but it comes with the adjustable stock and it also folds, and if you buy a new barrel you can shoot 7.61x51 and 7.62x39 both from one investment.
AR15s might be at the top of their curve, meaning investment-wise values could drop if low-priced alternatives are more common.
AR15s might be at the top of their curve, meaning investment-wise values could drop if low-priced alternatives are more common.
Stevie-Ray
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I paid a bundle for mine; I can't see it going up much higher than it is. Politics had nothing to do with it. Now the PLR-16 on the other hand.........
W.E.G.
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Get creative then!
jakeswensonmt
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Hope you've got the right tax stamp for that thing!
Acera
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I hate to burst your happy little bubble there nicki, but how are the gun laws going there in Fresno? Got a lot of repeals of the CA laws going on? Isn't the speaker of the house working hard for you on that? She is from CA right?
They got those laws through last time, they will again.
Gun control is a prime objective of big city politicians, remember the lawsuits against the gun manufacturers? Both NY and Chicago participated in those, and guess what.....both candidates hail from those areas.
The recent rash of shootings and the medias focus on them will give them all the ammunition they need. Look at the effects of an incident in Scotland on GBs gun laws. Look at the effects of an incident in Australia on theirs.
Don't underestimate these people's abilities, they are waiting because they know that their time is coming.
They will be like any other commodity thats demand outgrows it's supply. If that disgusts you, don't go into business. Sorry DoubleTapDrew, you have had your warning, this is not like profit taking after a hurricane. I have been collecting military rifles for years. Now I am in a position to take advantage of my knowledge to better my position in the market.
I do agree with you nicki on your statement about a congressman not changing their mind due to your protests. That is a shame, because they don't change their mind due to the crime stats from the last assault rifle ban bill (it did not work as they thought) and they will not listen to reason now.
The gun community has been of the offensive, but we are a shrinking breed. I applaud the efforts of Midway USA and their Wednesday night at the Range, on the Outdoor Channel. The industry is trying to recruit new shooters, and fight the image so many have that guns are bad. TV is a good way to get to the general public, but I fear that a lot more is needed.
I don't advocate mortgaging the house to buy these things, or going into credit card debt. Pay cash, $100.00 a month should be able to buy quite a collection before the laws are enacted. Just don't wait until a month before they go into effect.
Well lets all promise to review this thread in two years, and see where we stand. If all is well, I will offer an apology to all who saw clearer than I
They got those laws through last time, they will again.
Gun control is a prime objective of big city politicians, remember the lawsuits against the gun manufacturers? Both NY and Chicago participated in those, and guess what.....both candidates hail from those areas.
The recent rash of shootings and the medias focus on them will give them all the ammunition they need. Look at the effects of an incident in Scotland on GBs gun laws. Look at the effects of an incident in Australia on theirs.
Don't underestimate these people's abilities, they are waiting because they know that their time is coming.
They will be like any other commodity thats demand outgrows it's supply. If that disgusts you, don't go into business. Sorry DoubleTapDrew, you have had your warning, this is not like profit taking after a hurricane. I have been collecting military rifles for years. Now I am in a position to take advantage of my knowledge to better my position in the market.
I do agree with you nicki on your statement about a congressman not changing their mind due to your protests. That is a shame, because they don't change their mind due to the crime stats from the last assault rifle ban bill (it did not work as they thought) and they will not listen to reason now.
The gun community has been of the offensive, but we are a shrinking breed. I applaud the efforts of Midway USA and their Wednesday night at the Range, on the Outdoor Channel. The industry is trying to recruit new shooters, and fight the image so many have that guns are bad. TV is a good way to get to the general public, but I fear that a lot more is needed.
I don't advocate mortgaging the house to buy these things, or going into credit card debt. Pay cash, $100.00 a month should be able to buy quite a collection before the laws are enacted. Just don't wait until a month before they go into effect.
Well lets all promise to review this thread in two years, and see where we stand. If all is well, I will offer an apology to all who saw clearer than I
I think you're seeing a mix of things. First its tax time and people are planning their "stimulus spending." If people have extra money to blow on guns, odds are it will be the most popular gun.
Then you also have the chicken little effect from alot of gun owners who feel as though despite everything we have in our favor, the battle is lost and another ban will come around that will be like the last one. I obviously don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean they're not out snapping up a ton of them.
Then you also have the chicken little effect from alot of gun owners who feel as though despite everything we have in our favor, the battle is lost and another ban will come around that will be like the last one. I obviously don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean they're not out snapping up a ton of them.
MarshallDodge
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I have never bought something out of fear but I did learn a lesson the last time around. Just before the ban came around in '94 my buddy called me asking if I wanted to buy a bunch of AR receivers and I laughed. He bought 10 at $50 a piece and sold five of them for $500 a piece at the gun show two weeks after the ban was enacted.
Evil Black Rifles are way more popular today than they were back then and are not as easy pickin's. I really hope that we can keep the right people in office so we don't have to go through another ban.
Evil Black Rifles are way more popular today than they were back then and are not as easy pickin's. I really hope that we can keep the right people in office so we don't have to go through another ban.
Cesiumsponge
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The upsetting thing I've found is that many machine gun owners don't want to see the 1934NFA or 1958GCA stricken from the records because their collection would become worthless overnight. Money > freedom.
I think a lot of individuals were upset after the 1994 ban expired too because their collection went down in value.
I think a lot of individuals were upset after the 1994 ban expired too because their collection went down in value.
I won't argue the petty financial issues here. Besides, it's all semantics. So what if "all those" Democrats signed on to support the Pro-2nd argument in Keller. You're missing the bigger picture. If Keller comes down as pro-gun and pro-2nd, that's GREAT!!!!!! It reaffirms that we have an individual right to keep and bear arms. BUT, if AWB-2 comes down the Potomic sh.t river, IT will determine WHICH arms we can keep and bear. Does anyone else see the problem with this picture??????
Starship1st
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There is a problem: People are thinking that it will all be okay, but it won't. The Democrats and liberals are learning from past mistakes. This time they will push a permanent ban on everything they believe as an assualt weapon.
We need to make sure that they do not get there way.
We need to make sure that they do not get there way.
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rmmoore said:
First, it's Heller.
And yes, we know. If the SCOTUS comes down on the collective argument side of interpreting the meaning of 2A, if they refute the individual rights that we believe 2A defends, AWB II will be very small potatoes.
Dan Forrester
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Cesiumsponge said:
Who are these machinegun owners and where do I find them. I hear this quite often, but nearly always form non MG owners.
I have way more ARs and spare mags than I’ll ever need but they are for my own personal use not for investment. Were my rapidly growing stamp collection to be worth absolutely nothing tomorrow would be thrilled.
BTW: not a flame Cesiumsponge.
Dan
I purchased my AR and AK for 3 reasons.1 was b/c I missed out the last time,2 always wanted these guns,and 3 I hope one day my son and I can enjoy shooting sports together.Right now i'm buying another m4 just so I can give my son a nib m4 when he's older.
BryanP
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Like a previous poster, I've heard many people make this statement, but have never spoken directly to an MG owner who would admit to this position.
As to the original question? Because we can.
Actually my most recent purchases have been bolt action rifles, and my next purchase will likely be a revolver.
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