Social media gun arguments

CapnMac said:
"Don't bother trying to teach pigs to fly
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Pigs can fly. You just need an engineer or mathematician to show you how, PIGS just need some extra thrust!
And we need more people willing to tell it to the other side. I have a lot of experience and some knowledge about guns, hunting, the 2nd amendment. I politely but firmly tell people where they are "confused" on the subject. Some walk away. others argue about nothing, changing the subject when they see they are losing and some listen. That's what we need....listeners.
 
Why argue 'online' with Anybody you will never meet in person? And with no chance to see facial expressions, subtle body language it must seem even more pointless and a waste of time.

I never bother doing this.
 
I rarely argue with anyone, let alone on social media. As far as Second A subjects, I find a lot of the arguers are irrational, and inflammatory. No thanks, there are many more useful expenditures of my time.
 
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CoalCrackerAl said:
Never argue with idiots.
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Pretty much. Or anyone else. If they are arguing then they are already made up. I have no social media. Will never.

As far as arguing....I rarely do. Only when I just lose it and go off. I own a shop and hear BS ALL the time. And I've never seen a Biden sticker nor heard a single "anti" comment either. It's usually just the "oh my gun is a special rare limited one of a million worth more" or "you've never seen one like this one". Or "had 100k rounds through that bersa or Jennings and its never jammed...had a Glock that wouldn't make it through a clip". Same for the guy with a Wilson or nighthawk that clearly has never been used and is kept in a plastic bag in the box in their car telling you how they have never had a jam in thousands of rounds.

Same for their "experimental car that the company has tried to buy back because it gets 75 MPG and runs circles around others".
So many people have had those "experimental" cars that you would think id get one someday. Lol.

Or their 300 HP 4 cylinder with a muffler and Chinese intake runs 9s at Bristol. Lol
Or their Nova with a 350 that I have worked on that runs 9s at bristol.

You would be shocked at how much a car owner will lie about their car despite the fact im the one who is working on it. Ive had people argue their car was a turbo when I was actually working on the car on my lift. Same for awd. I had a kid tel me I outrun him at the 1/4 (in a 14 second dog of a car btw) because his "AWD wasn't working". While I had the car on my lift and knowing the car was front wheel drive. If people will make up things like that while I'm actually looking at the car....why argue with online strangers who can make up whatever they want

Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone thinks theirs is better. I have exactly one customer who, like me, feels like if there is only one POS lemon he will find it. I can buy a load of gravel and get a bad one... lol

If I don't argue in those situations....I'm certainly not arguing politics or gun rights.

In my shop I hear guys getting irate and red faced discussing politics despite every single one voting the same way. They get louder and louder and you can't even drown them out with an aircat. Lol. My dad and whatever person stops by. They stand and get madder and madder even though they on the same side of the argument.... I can imagine how anyone would feel arguing with the OTHER SIDE. Lol. Would get nasty quick

For every "that town in GA that has mandatory gun ownership has lowest crime" there is a " that island with no guns has lowest crime and no mass shootings"
 
giggitygiggity said:
I urge you to argue or post pro-gun sentiments on social media, not to win an argument with an anti-gunner, but to fill the information space with pro gun vibes and influence those who might be on the fence about gun control.
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I've found that there's little tolerance for contrarian views on most forums. If you post something that runs against the prevailing sentiment on that particular group, you are likely to get the ban hammer. Doesn't matter if it's pro- or antigun. The High Road is a notable exception. But even here, if you post things that are overtly antigun, you won't last long. On the other hand, if you post pro-gun things on Daily Kos, you'll be gone within a day. A few years ago , there was more tolerance. The online society has become nasty and polarized.
 
Outlaw75 said:
Nope. Arguing with anti-gunners is like teaching the proverbial pig to sing.
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This ^^^^^

You might as well debate Stalinism with a Maoist. It’s not that the antigun fanatics are really antigun, it’s that they are antiYou having a gun. If it was about the weapon, they would be trying to reverse time and uninvent something which has been around for centuries - which is crazy - but if they can just take away the right to own property and turn that power over to government - their government - then it’s the same thing. It’s not about an object, it’s about the average human being having the right to decide for themselves. That’s what the anti’s are really anti. The American Revolution changed the world; they want to change it back.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
No, I don’t argue.

I may state my piece and I may even try to defend it but only once. After that I just click off that topic and never return. I’m old and crotchety and base my opinions on hard earned experiences. No one is changing a mind like that over social media using only words.
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Yup. I have a hard enough time with the younger generation trying to tell me things that I know from experience are blatantly wrong. Yesterday a good friend and career gunsmith tried to tell me revolvers are obsolete, useless toys only good for nostalgia and range games. It was a short discussion, very polite, but neither one of us changed our minds one bit. Won’t hurt our friendship since we can agree to disagree respectfully - some folks are just born nasty and don’t respect anyone else and I can’t be bothered with them. They can go worship themselves elsewhere in peace.
 
plainsdrifter said:
Try being liberal and Pro-gun. LOL

I'll argue with anti-gunners till the cows come home, and maybe longer. I am a member of a liberal based gun club (does not mean Democrat) as well. There's thousands of us, prolly millions.

I send messages to antigun Democrats who keep asking me for my money and tell them they are idiots. I ask them to explain to me how I am going to protect myself against criminals or politicians that want to take away my rights, all rights, right to choose, right to screw who I want and so on.

All those to me are God given rights. It seems both party's are out there wanting to take away our rights. Some concentrate on guns, others personal rights.
Ya gotta keep an eye out on both of them.
Hell even my dog knows that.
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The man who wrote the Second Amendment was a Liberal.

People tend to forget those words have meanings unrelated to party or platform; they are contextual with respect to history and philosophy, not governance or politics.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Yup. I have a hard enough time with the younger generation trying to tell me things that I know from experience are blatantly wrong. Yesterday a good friend and career gunsmith tried to tell me revolvers are obsolete, useless toys only good for nostalgia and range games. It was a short discussion, very polite, but neither one of us changed our minds one bit. Won’t hurt our friendship since we can agree to disagree respectfully - some folks are just born nasty and don’t respect anyone else and I can’t be bothered with them. They can go worship themselves elsewhere in peace.
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It's not just young people who are so bullheaded. Again using my shop as an example..... several people who come into my shop (my dad and father in law included) with beautiful old cars will berate and put down the younger guys cars because their thumping v8 70s muscle is so super duper fast. But in the 1/4 or God forbid on a track.... the newer car will win every time. One of my cousins has a pristine old mach 1 with a Rausch built Cleveland dynoed at 500hp. Well Over 100 grand in it.... but a new 4 cylinder mustang runs low 13s. A new gt for 40k will be faster than that old mach 1. For 50k you can get a 4x4 f150 in the 10s in the 1/4 with a warranty. Lol

Again. Everyone thinks they are right. Entire thinks theirs is best. It's human nature. I just don't pay attention to it
 
Stefan A said:
Do you get involved in arguments regarding guns on social media? I am in the midst of one where the anti-gunner is throwing out all these depraved mass murders in order to justify various gun control measures. This isn't my first rodeo, but I have done a pretty good job lately of not engaging. I got weak... Anyway, how often do you debate social media friends (or their friends) with gun debates?
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I always ask why they suddenly got religion and want all this gun control if a so called "mass shooting" occurs but they have ALWAYS ignored gang violence and the REAL GUN PROBLEMS IN AMERICA. It's because they only want to blame certain people for it (to target a specific race and political party) and find ways to control them, but NOT blame the ones that are really shooting up America. We all know it's practically the old west in most major cities with gunfights on the streets actually happening TODAY. The attached chart shows out of the hundred thousand+ shootings each year, LESS THAN 1% are from these mass shootings. It's clear the problem isn't the people in that targeted race or that targeted political party, most shootings are by people from OTHER races and those that align with that OTHER political party. It's all right there in the actual statistics from gunviolencearchive.org.
 

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Oh, and the definition of "Mass Shooting" is 3 or more shot. Well then, when 3 or more gets shot in gang violence why they don't add that to the list? By definition, it meets the criteria. The answer is: because it would skew their numbers and they could no longer blame only one certain race or political party for most of the shootings. There is a lot of book cooking to get these numbers to point at only certain people, and mainstream media is in on the frame up.
 
I do my best not to. Kind of like trying to pick up a turd from the clean end. They have bought into all the liberal BS, they no longer know how to use critical thinking skills.
 
There are good reasons not to have a long argument with an unreasonable person on anything. But it's good for pro gun people to make themselves known and to state their reasons for their position. It helps the pro-gun cause for the anti-gunners to know that there are lots of us out there and that we are good people who have reasons for our positions. That we're not just gun-nuts. And maybe some of them will be convinced to change their minds.
 
pantherdane said:
why they don't add that to the list?
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Recently, they have, just not explicitly. There's a recent report on how "mass shootings" now "disproportionately target minorities and women." An assertion they can only make by specifically highlighting gang and urban violence and crimes.

They will not recognize the logical inconsistency of both eating the cake and wanting to have it too. And, it's "our" fault that the cake does not spontaneously regenerate while they are consuming it.
 
Stefan A said:
Do you get involved in arguments regarding guns on social media?
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Learned a long time ago to stay outta any type of "argument" on any type of social media. Even on this forum, a simple difference of opinion tends to go quickly downhill into name calling and belittling. I started on these types of forums on order to glean information. Got sucked into discusions where folks thought if they got the last word in and belittled you enough, they won the debate. folks don;t want to discuss....they want to bully. Ain't worth the time for me.
 
The 2nd Amendment is an important element of our Constitution & our Constitution was created by enlightened men who had unusual foresight , tremendous intelligence and a degree of decency and honor that is rarely seen today. Removal of the 2nd Amendment is part of an effort by the Left to destroy our Constitution claiming that "they have better solutions for our problems". I firmly believe that if the entire lot of our current Leftist scum were to place all their knowledge, wisdom and resources together they could not in a million years come up with anything that could improve our Constitution. Protecting our Constitution is crucial if our great country is to survive the next decades and I believe that it is the responsibility of every concerned citizen to fight for it wherever and whenever possible. Currently the 2nd Amendment (ie gun rights) happens to be one of several important battlegrounds that we must not lose in this ongoing war.

However because the mentality of a leftist is vastly different from that of a "normal" person it is important to know who we are dealing with when we decide to discuss gun control or any other ideological subject. I believe we can discuss gun rights successfully & constructively with any uninformed or ignorant person of good will but not with a Leftist. Arguing with a leftist about gun control or anything contrary to what they believe is like arguing with a pig, totally fruitless. You can enlighten them with facts until you're blue in the face but you will either be ignored or contradicted with the most ridiculous & infuriating lies. The intent of the Left is to destroy us not to reason with us & therefore IMHO we must begin to accept the idea that the only way to deal with the Left is not by arguing with it but by eradicating it.
 
Charlie Martinez said:
However because the mentality of a leftist is vastly different from that of a "normal" person it is important to know who we are dealing with when we decide to discuss gun control or any other ideological subject. I believe we can discuss gun rights successfully & constructively with any uninformed or ignorant person of good will but not with a Leftist. Arguing with a leftist about gun control or anything contrary to what they believe is like arguing with a pig, totally fruitless. You can enlighten them with facts until you're blue in the face but you will either be ignored or contradicted with the most ridiculous & infuriating lies. The intent of the Left is to destroy us not to reason with us & therefore IMHO we must begin to accept the idea that the only way to deal with the Left is not by arguing with it but by eradicating it.
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Except that the push for gun control is being fueled not by classic "leftists" but by basically apolitical suburban soccer moms. And the leadership of the movement? To call a plutocrat such as Michael Bloomberg, for example, a "leftist" is laughable.

The gun debate is not easily reduced to left-right terms.
 
AlexanderA said:
Except that the push for gun control is being fueled not by classic "leftists" but by basically apolitical suburban soccer moms. And the leadership of the movement? To call a plutocrat such as Michael Bloomberg, for example, a "leftist" is laughable.

The gun debate is not easily reduced to left-right terms.
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So wrong.

Suburban soccer moms are not the ones fueling gun control efforts. They are merely useful idiots allowing themselves to be used because like most people they think with their emotions instead of their brains.

What is laughable is the assertion that the left is not behind the gun control movement. Look at the states with the strictest gun control laws and the states with the least restrictive and then see who runs those places.
 
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