Legionnaire
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Thanks for the link. Good story.
Some new Ruger rifles on the horizon
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midland man
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wow that 450 bushmaster is nice!! 
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CraigC
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Don't get hung up on the name.
The threaded muzzle and 16" barrel might be hints. I'm buying one for suppressor use.
Ruger has been debt-free and operates on cash for nearly all of its existence. I don't think they need help figuring out what will sell.
Speedo66
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Not on the list, so not legal in OH. Maybe other states.
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I believe that the .450 Bushmaster RAR was originally a special order for a shop in southern Michigan specifically aimed at complying with the deer hunting regulations for Michigan's southern zone.
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Been thinking some more about this. While I like what I'm seeing about the ballistics of the 450 Bushmaster loaded to full pressure, I'm not seeing any advantage over a .44 magnum if loaded subsonic. In fact, the .44 mag case is more reasonably sized to drive a 240-300 grain bullet at subsonic speeds. Still a cool package, though.
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The advantage would be accuracy.
I'm thinking this rifle replaces the expensive and let's face it hopelessly inaccurate 77/44 and 357 (I've owned 3) the split two piece bolt of these is simply not conducive to accuracy. Combine that with the inate 44 revolver 44 rifle bore bullet diameter mis match and this American stands to outperform the outgoing 77/44 by a huge margin.
I have a 77/44 and I'll probably trade it towards a dune buggy tomorrow with the idea of buying a 450 American to replace it.
Nother thing i read a while back was guys were running.458 jacketed buets thru resizers to .452 for use in the bushy. Also you could easily resize heavier lead slugs if desired.
Nother neat option if you could make the mag work would be to extend the chamber to take full length 284 case.....loaded to higher pressure. since a bolt gum can take it....hrrmmmmmm
Nother neat option if you could make the mag work would be to extend the chamber to take full length 284 case.....loaded to higher pressure. since a bolt gum can take it....hrrmmmmmm
lobo9er
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+1 on the 7.62x39 I can't imagine why not. I think they would sell more than the 450. The 450 sounds fun though too.
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I wish Ruger would continue popular rifles/calibers instead of discontinuing them. I love Rugers, own at least 15 rifles and pistols but seem to discontinue products with no rhyme or reason.
They need to bring back the "real" M77 with adjustable trigger, hand checkered walnut stock of proper proportions (like my 1980's stock), high gloss blue, smooth nicely machined bolt, accurate barrel, tang safety, plunger style ejector. When I compare the hawkeye the only thing that is nicer is the engraved floorplate.
Not really "on the horizon", but apparently it's relatively new - I just bought my first Ruger rifle - a 10/22 Takedown Heavy Barrel.
I've always been interested in the Takedown models, but I could never get past that funkly looking banded front sight Ruger sticks on about all their .22 models, and I tend to like bull barrels.
I saw a Takedown Lite at the shop a few weeks ago and was intrigued, but didn't really like the holes drilled in the barrel. Went looking at Ruger's site and that was the first I'd seen of the heavy barrel model.
Took it out to the range the other day although it was too windy to get good accuracy results.
'Course, I'm shooting at 50 yards with a TRS-25 Red Dot, so the sight is going to limit my results.
Only thing I'd have changed on the rifle is I'd just as soon have a non-fluted heavy barrel.
They also did a good job on the storage case - the entire case is lined with Velcro, so you can rearrange as you so desire.
I've always been interested in the Takedown models, but I could never get past that funkly looking banded front sight Ruger sticks on about all their .22 models, and I tend to like bull barrels.
I saw a Takedown Lite at the shop a few weeks ago and was intrigued, but didn't really like the holes drilled in the barrel. Went looking at Ruger's site and that was the first I'd seen of the heavy barrel model.
Took it out to the range the other day although it was too windy to get good accuracy results.
'Course, I'm shooting at 50 yards with a TRS-25 Red Dot, so the sight is going to limit my results.
Only thing I'd have changed on the rifle is I'd just as soon have a non-fluted heavy barrel.
They also did a good job on the storage case - the entire case is lined with Velcro, so you can rearrange as you so desire.
The Ruger Americans have not grown on me, but I would love to see a Hawkeye Compact in .450 Bushmaster in blue steel and walnut. I probably would not buy it because I already have a .45-70 Guide Gun, but I would try really hard to convince myself I needed one.
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Don't get hung up on the name.
The threaded muzzle and 16" barrel might be hints. I'm buying one for suppressor use.
Ruger has been debt-free and operates on cash for nearly all of its existence. I don't think they need help figuring out what will sell.
Very interesting. I've had an itch for a suppressed .44 rifle to use almost entirely with subsonic loads for a while. You can get heavier .452 bullets than you can .429 bullets, and with the 1:16 twist this thing's got, JBM says you could stabilize up to 500 gr .458 bullets assuming it wasn't too tough to swage them down. A Liberty Cosmic screwed onto one of these might be just the thing to scratch my itch.
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CraigC
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I don't see any need for .458" bullets. There are plenty of .452's available for virtually any purpose. From .45ACP plinking bullets to those intended for the .45Colt that will expand at subsonic velocities to those intended for the .454/.460 that will withstand all the velocity you can throw at them. No real need for anything as heavy as 500gr. A tough 250-300gr bullet will fully penetrate any deer or hog.
Ruger discontinues what doesn't sell.
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CraigC
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Finally up on the Ruger site with pics:
http://ruger.com/products/americanRimfireTarget/models.html
http://ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/specSheets/16950.html
http://ruger.com/products/americanRimfireTarget/models.html
http://ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/specSheets/16950.html
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Thanks for the link Craig! Been thinking about getting a .22LR bolt gun for some time now and this American Rimfire Target Model has definitely sparked my interest. The fact that it uses the same mags as my 10/22 is icing on the cake!
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That's the same boat that I'm in.! Had a down payment since this past July on a new CZ 455 .22LR at the LGS but recently found out the model I wanted has been discontinued, and some others had very long wait times with no firm time frame as to when it might be mine. Then just the other day I saw that 22LR RAR Target Model on Ruger's website and now I'm thinking about jumping on one of those. Wonder how long it would be before my LGS can get one of those in stock? And as long as we're on the topic of new Ruger models, does anyone know when Ruger officially announced the new American Rimfire Target Model? (I think it was quite recently ?).
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Far as I know, it was last week.
I have a Bushmaster .450 BM so won't be buying a ranch rifle in .450 BM but it's a good concept. The 6mm Creedmoor is basically a .243 Win so I don't really see the appeal other than the name. I suppose Hornady will get SAAMI to approve the cartridge before too long followed by a mad rush to launch rifles chambered in the latest and greatest. Hornady ammunition and Ruger rifles seem to do a much better job than Remington ammunition and Remington rifles.
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I like the .450 in a boltgun concept for suppressor use. Quieter than an auto and not ammo-sensitive at all. Significantly lighter at 5.5lbs. Lots of bullet choices and if one decides to ever ramp it up, a good heavyweight cast LBT is a hell of a hammer without having to worry about lube gumming up the gas system. Plus the American is cheap, my .300 Ranch was under $400.
I'd never heard of the 6mmCreedmoor but doing a little informal digging, apparently it's very popular among the precision rifle crowd where the .243 is barely even mentioned. I see notes about the 30° shoulder angle, long neck and greater case capacity than the 6x47, along with some bickering about small vs large primers. This area of the shooting world isn't really my thing.
I'd never heard of the 6mmCreedmoor but doing a little informal digging, apparently it's very popular among the precision rifle crowd where the .243 is barely even mentioned. I see notes about the 30° shoulder angle, long neck and greater case capacity than the 6x47, along with some bickering about small vs large primers. This area of the shooting world isn't really my thing.
Like I said, I think it's a good concept but since I already have a .450 BM I don't plan on buying another. If I didn't already have one I'd most likely give the Ruger a serious look. I need to weigh my AR but I bet it's not much over 5.5lbs and with a good stock choice I could get the weight down even more. My .450 BM isn't ammo sensitive but the cost difference is a good point. I'm planning on having the barrel cut down to 18" (maybe less) and threaded for my AAC TiRANT .45.
.243 Win and .243 AI are popular with long range shooters. The 6mm Creedmoor is important to Hornady since it helps to lock in the Creedmoor name. For hunting rifles I think the 6mm Creedmoor is a waste of time offering nothing over the .243 Win. How long before Hornady launches the complete Creedmoor line with 7mm Creedmoor and Creedmoor Magnums?
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Well, SHOT Show is coming up.
I weighed my .450 BM AR15 and it's 7lb 10oz with a 20" barrel, iron sights and a Vltor E-Mod stock so quite a bit heavier than the Ruger. So now I'm thinking that the Ruger will pack a punch in that 5.5lb rifle. Has anyone here shot one yet? My AR packs a punch and gas operated rifles are supposed to reduce felt recoil so that Ranch Rifle should be fun!
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