Some people do not belong on the range

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Last time I went shooting (about 2 weeks ago) everyone was behind the yellow line, range was cold, people were going downrange to post targets. I was seating on a chair under a tree and not going downrange (I had posted a ton of targets, we had a cease fire about 10-15 minutes prior) so I was just watching.

Sure enough, guy at the end wanted to put something back on the bench (across the yellow line). The RO yells, "Stay behind the yellow line". Most people have done this, they forgot some hearing protection or stapler or that extra target. Most people realize their goof, give the "i'm an idiot" half-wave, get back behind the line and life goes on.

Well this guy, gives the RO the NASTIEST look I have seen a person give. Then complains with his friend all the way down to post targets, then gives the guy another nasty look when the RO turned around (I should mention that the offender was about 50 years old).

What is with all this venom? He broke one of THE top safety rules at the range and got called on it. The look was one that I would reserve for someone that willfully ran over my dog or something similar.

To me it sounds like the Hamburgler is a good step or two beyond even this guy. Two people mentioned not eating at the range in a polite way and he flips out. What would the Hamburgler have done if the RO or OP had YELLED at him for an obvious safety violation?
 
Foxworthy Quote

"You cant fix stupid"

Way to keep your head and leave it to the authorities.
 
A couple of weekends ago out at the local outdoor public range, my girlfriend and I were shooting handguns and my .22 rifle. She was set up at the very end of the range shooting with the .22 rifle scoped at about 50 yards. I glanced over and see a young woman and her boyfriend arrive with some handguns and get themselves set up on the bench. After another magazine or two, i glance over again (they are between my GF and I so i see them when i look at her shooting) and the young woman is standing in 'sprint' position at the very end of the bench, looking like she's about to run out on the HOT range to place a target! About 10 foot away and between her and the targets, my lady is shooting away, focused on the target through her scope but eyeing the woman sideways too. I yell down to the young woman, "you don't want to do that while the range is hot, wait until it goes COLD to put up targets.". she looks at me with a combative glare and says "i KNOW". I shrug and say "okay!" and go back to shooting. 20 seconds later i look over and the woman has walked directly across my lady's line of sight to put up a target while the range is hot and there are people actively firing! Thankfully, my lady is observant and saw her start to move - the person never even said anything before walking out on the hot range.

Some people are just complete morons. I think i'm going to write a book - "Idiocy in action at shooting ranges" and chronicle the acts of stupidity. Only problem is, the gun grabbers would use it as justification to ban something somewhere for someone...
 
Mr. Rev (the OP) said:

This dude turns to me and says you know you should really mind your own business. I then apologized and walked back over to my area shaking my head. I guess the range officer must have finally seen this from the booth because we have cameras on the range and he came out and told the guy no food or drinks allowed there is a sign right before you walk in.
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I do not get where Mr. Rev could be perceived as tattling.
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I do not get where Mr. Rev could be perceived as tattling.
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He can't be, of course, but saying that is did is a necessary factual shift in order to promote and develop the argument we're having.

You can't have a flame war without a point of contention, no matter how contrived it may be.

Didn't you read the manual on these things?






:rolleyes: ;)

-Sam
 
As much as I promote gun ownership and protection of the 2nd, some people just do not belong on the range. So you "promote" gun ownership, but only if you approve of the owner?So today at the club (indoor range very nice with awesome ventilation) this guy walks in with his firearms and ammunition. He is shooting a 300winmag, a 357 lead bullets, and I think it was a 41 or 44 magnum taurus with lead bullets. Sounds good so far right well I turn around and this guy is eating a hamburger and drinking coffee in between reloads.Why is this any of your business really? If you cannot politely correct him just go tattle already. So I say he seems like a nice guy. I walk over and say he man how are ya. We introduce ourselves and I decide well just go back to shooting so I go back to my lane. You pester the guy for a few minutes and fail to bring up the eating, why not? Well after 10 minutes of watching this guy load up his magazines and taking bites of this burger and drinking this coffee I walk over and say hey you should really be careful. I would not eat or drink out here. I know there is no smoke in the air but I am sure there is plenty of lead particles in the air and possibly on your hands. This dude turns to me and says you know you should really mind your own business. First of all, what magazines are loaded for revolvers? Second of all, why are you eyeballing the guy for ten minutes? Do you go there to shoot or eyeball people?I then apologized and walked back over to my area shaking my head. I guess the range officer must have finally seen this from the booth because we have cameras on the range and he came out and told the guy no food or drinks allowed there is a sign right before you walk in.I do not find this in the least bit believable, you keep walking over bothering a guy and the range officer who is your buddy magically appears as soon as you are done pestering him? Please He actually gets pissed packs up his stuff walks out slams the door goes up to the cash register and asked for his money back and the club refused, honestly which I was very proud of because he had been there for 30 minutes already, He had been there for 30 minutes, you have appraoched him twice for probably 10 minutes of unwanted attention and been eyeballing him for ten minutes as well, then the RO stops out. How much of his 30 minutes do you think he actually got to use shooting? If it was so important to your and the RO to keep the guy from shooting, why cheat him out of 15 dollars?and non members pay advanced by the hour which is $14.95. So after I am done the range officer and I are talking about this and mentioned he never seen these guys before. Does he have to know you to shoot there? You do not appear to spend a lot of time shooting as you were done so fast he was still in the parking lotI walk out the door and there he is standing with another guy next to his dodge ram dually. I decided it was best to go back into the club and avoid a confrontation. Why would there be a confrontation, according to your story this guy was simply trying to shoot and you kept pestering him for no reason, this guy only asked you to leave him alone.I told the range officer what the deal was and told him as I turned around I heard the one guy mention something to the fact that yeah that's him right there.What was the deal? What law was he breaking by talking to his buddy and what business is it of yours? Why do you think you should be involved in the operation of the range or this guys personal business? We called some friends of mine (local law enforcement) and they responded very quick like with 3 cars and told the gentlemen they had to leave. Even though I had a loaded glock 30 on my hip concealed and a S&W 642 in my inside jacket pocket I know I made the right decision. I had a safe alternative and will op for that one every time. It is just sad for me though knowing that some politicians will classify all of us in the same category as these guys and think all gun owners are like this.What catagory of guy is this? Do you hate people that want to be left alone? or is it people that eat you despise? Do you hate guys with magazine fed revolvers or what?

Just had to share this with someone, sort of bummed out by it.


I hate to be critical but something is wrong with this story. Besides being one GIANT paragraph. You kept pestering the guy and took forever to finally tell the guy about the eating policy. I think you flagged your buddy the RO to pester this guy and the two of you made it clear you would not leave him in peace and let him shoot. He opted for the polite route and asked for a refund and left. You followed him into the parking lot and you called the police on him for looking at you. All the guy did was eat at the range, what does that have to do with denying him the right to own firearms?
 
Nevermind this thread and the back and forth arguments - am I the only one to whom eating a burger, sipping a coffee, and enjoying my guns sounds absolutely heavenly? The only way it could be better would be on a private outdoor range on a crisp early morning. :)
 
This thread was beginning to get funny (albeit unintentionally), now it's just sort of sad.
 
I don't think your two concealed firearms needed to be mentioned. You can't shoot someone for being a jerk, nor can you shoot them for eating in a toxic enviroment. Just as well, the fact that he asked for his money back doesn't suggest that he was going to start shooting. It seemed like you suggested that shooting him was even an option, and you may need to seriously rearrange your thinking.
 
Lonegunman:

As much as I promote gun ownership and protection of the 2nd, some people just do not belong on the range.
So you "promote" gun ownership, but only if you approve of the owner?
Actually, some people ARE just too stupid to be allowed to breathe let alone shoot guns...

So today at the club (indoor range very nice with awesome ventilation) this guy walks in with his firearms and ammunition. He is shooting a 300winmag, a 357 lead bullets, and I think it was a 41 or 44 magnum taurus with lead bullets. Sounds good so far right well I turn around and this guy is eating a hamburger and drinking coffee in between reloads.
Why is this any of your business really? If you cannot politely correct him just go tattle already.
Well, at first he was going to chat with the fellow. You know, converse about a shared interest? Or is that something that many people don't bother to do nowadays?

So I say he seems like a nice guy. I walk over and say he man how are ya. We introduce ourselves and I decide well just go back to shooting so I go back to my lane.
You pester the guy for a few minutes and fail to bring up the eating, why not?
They talked. Maybe he felt uncomfortable bringing it up to the guy out of the blue. Maybe he thought the guy would finish up.

Well after 10 minutes of watching this guy load up his magazines and taking bites of this burger and drinking this coffee I walk over and say hey you should really be careful. I would not eat or drink out here. I know there is no smoke in the air but I am sure there is plenty of lead particles in the air and possibly on your hands. This dude turns to me and says you know you should really mind your own business.
First of all, what magazines are loaded for revolvers? Second of all, why are you eyeballing the guy for ten minutes? Do you go there to shoot or eyeball people?
What are you implying? What are you saying? Relevance?
Did it ever occur that a polite warning from a fellow shooter BEFORE official notice has been taken might be something most people would want?

I then apologized and walked back over to my area shaking my head. I guess the range officer must have finally seen this from the booth because we have cameras on the range and he came out and told the guy no food or drinks allowed there is a sign right before you walk in.
I do not find this in the least bit believable, you keep walking over bothering a guy and the range officer who is your buddy magically appears as soon as you are done pestering him? Please
If you don't believe it, it must of not happened. I am frankly surprised the RO didn't notice it as soon as he unwrapped his McLunch. The RO at our club range would know as soon as the food was out of the car!

He actually gets pissed packs up his stuff walks out slams the door goes up to the cash register and asked for his money back and the club refused, honestly which I was very proud of because he had been there for 30 minutes already,
He had been there for 30 minutes, you have appraoched him twice for probably 10 minutes of unwanted attention and been eyeballing him for ten minutes as well, then the RO stops out. How much of his 30 minutes do you think he actually got to use shooting? If it was so important to your and the RO to keep the guy from shooting, why cheat him out of 15 dollars?
Gee, the RO never threw him out. The RO said "Don't eat in here." The McMuncher left on his own two feet without encouragement.

and non members pay advanced by the hour which is $14.95. So after I am done the range officer and I are talking about this and mentioned he never seen these guys before.
Does he have to know you to shoot there? You do not appear to spend a lot of time shooting as you were done so fast he was still in the parking lot
Irrelevant drivel...

I walk out the door and there he is standing with another guy next to his dodge ram dually. I decided it was best to go back into the club and avoid a confrontation.
Why would there be a confrontation, according to your story this guy was simply trying to shoot and you kept pestering him for no reason, this guy only asked you to leave him alone.
Gee, when a guy points at you and says "There's the so-and-so" I would be worried a little bit, too.

I told the range officer what the deal was and told him as I turned around I heard the one guy mention something to the fact that yeah that's him right there.
What was the deal? What law was he breaking by talking to his buddy and what business is it of yours? Why do you think you should be involved in the operation of the range or this guys personal business?
Why not? Would you rather wait until these two guys screw up their cojones and decide to escalate a situation? THey were no longer shooting. They had no business on the property thereafter. Sounds suspicious they are 'loitering' nearby to me.

We called some friends of mine (local law enforcement) and they responded very quick like with 3 cars and told the gentlemen they had to leave. Even though I had a loaded glock 30 on my hip concealed and a S&W 642 in my inside jacket pocket I know I made the right decision. I had a safe alternative and will op for that one every time. It is just sad for me though knowing that some politicians will classify all of us in the same category as these guys and think all gun owners are like this.
What catagory of guy is this? Do you hate people that want to be left alone? or is it people that eat you despise? Do you hate guys with magazine fed revolvers or what?
The category is large mouth, small brains, and tends to blow hard. Seen a lot of them, expecially on The Internet debating posts like this.

Just had to share this with someone, sort of bummed out by it.


I hate to be critical but something is wrong with this story. Besides being one GIANT paragraph. You kept pestering the guy and took forever to finally tell the guy about the eating policy. I think you flagged your buddy the RO to pester this guy and the two of you made it clear you would not leave him in peace and let him shoot. He opted for the polite route and asked for a refund and left. You followed him into the parking lot and you called the police on him for looking at you. All the guy did was eat at the range, what does that have to do with denying him the right to own firearms?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
By any chance were you recently on a shooting range eating a hamburger while shooting your 300 winmag and 357 & 41 revolvers with lead bullets and had a confrontation with an RO after somebody tried to talk to you?:scrutiny:
 
One thing this thread shows is how one incident can be described two completely different ways. Supposed the OP didn't call his cop friends and instead headed to his car when the hambugler approached him (to assault him? or appologize? or talk it out?). Whatever happens and one or the other winds up shot.

Revguy tells the story like he did here, and Hambugler tells the story like Lonegunman. Which do you think the cops would believe?

I think this points out the importance of not just being in the right, but being able to articulate the way things happened and what you were thinking and feeling while it happened. One reason not to talk to the cops right after it happens or before you talk to your lawyer. Maybe the cops see it your way, or maybe they see it the way lonegunman does.

Every fact can be doubted or twisted by those that weren't there. Everything you say or don't say can't be interpretted several ways.
 
Actually, some people ARE just too stupid to be allowed to breathe let alone shoot guns...
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And I suppose you are a good judge of who should be allowed to breathe.
 
After being driven from the range(where he paid 15 dollars an hour to shoot a few rounds) by overly helpful patrons and range officers the guy was in the parking lot bitching to his buddy. Is that against the law?
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no not really but neither is open carry owning a ski mask or hanging around in front of a bank but put it all together and things dont look too great.

The op felt threatened thats what cops are for.

The guy broke range rules by having food on the range. Minor as it was most ranges I have been to ask you to leave for even the smallest offence of rules.
 
as my first engineering officer used to frequently say...

"the stupid shall be punished"

The right to keep and bear arms, does not imply any such right to walk on someone elses private property and shoot them....

A business that is open to the public is private property and the business owner makes the rules.
 
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Ok, then rules have no application if one doesn't agree with them..

Sounds good, no more nagging..

But, by chance, if I go shooting to some "outdoor" open range, and some guy comes up to me with a Geiger-counter and says to me, "you might want to leave, there's a lot of radiation in this area.." I sure would be glad to know that someone took the time to take a small concern about my "health".. Doc
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Quote: By any chance were you recently on a shooting range eating a hamburger while shooting your 300 winmag and 357 & 41 revolvers with lead bullets and had a confrontation with an RO after somebody tried to talk to you? :scrutiny:
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I see someone almost every time I go to the range who does something that make me cringe.
 
He can't be, of course, but saying that is did is a necessary factual shift in order to promote and develop the argument we're having.

You can't have a flame war without a point of contention, no matter how contrived it may be.

Didn't you read the manual on these things?
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Clearly this guy did:

As much as I promote gun ownership and protection of the 2nd, some people just do not belong on the range. So you "promote" gun ownership, but only if you approve of the owner?So today at the club (indoor range very nice with awesome ventilation) this guy walks in with his firearms and ammunition. He is shooting a 300winmag, a 357 lead bullets, and I think it was a 41 or 44 magnum taurus with lead bullets. Sounds good so far right well I turn around and this guy is eating a hamburger and drinking coffee in between reloads.Why is this any of your business really? If you cannot politely correct him just go tattle already. So I say he seems like a nice guy. I walk over and say he man how are ya. We introduce ourselves and I decide well just go back to shooting so I go back to my lane. You pester the guy for a few minutes and fail to bring up the eating, why not? Well after 10 minutes of watching this guy load up his magazines and taking bites of this burger and drinking this coffee I walk over and say hey you should really be careful. I would not eat or drink out here. I know there is no smoke in the air but I am sure there is plenty of lead particles in the air and possibly on your hands. This dude turns to me and says you know you should really mind your own business. First of all, what magazines are loaded for revolvers? Second of all, why are you eyeballing the guy for ten minutes? Do you go there to shoot or eyeball people?I then apologized and walked back over to my area shaking my head. I guess the range officer must have finally seen this from the booth because we have cameras on the range and he came out and told the guy no food or drinks allowed there is a sign right before you walk in.I do not find this in the least bit believable, you keep walking over bothering a guy and the range officer who is your buddy magically appears as soon as you are done pestering him? Please He actually gets pissed packs up his stuff walks out slams the door goes up to the cash register and asked for his money back and the club refused, honestly which I was very proud of because he had been there for 30 minutes already, He had been there for 30 minutes, you have appraoched him twice for probably 10 minutes of unwanted attention and been eyeballing him for ten minutes as well, then the RO stops out. How much of his 30 minutes do you think he actually got to use shooting? If it was so important to your and the RO to keep the guy from shooting, why cheat him out of 15 dollars?and non members pay advanced by the hour which is $14.95. So after I am done the range officer and I are talking about this and mentioned he never seen these guys before. Does he have to know you to shoot there? You do not appear to spend a lot of time shooting as you were done so fast he was still in the parking lotI walk out the door and there he is standing with another guy next to his dodge ram dually. I decided it was best to go back into the club and avoid a confrontation. Why would there be a confrontation, according to your story this guy was simply trying to shoot and you kept pestering him for no reason, this guy only asked you to leave him alone.I told the range officer what the deal was and told him as I turned around I heard the one guy mention something to the fact that yeah that's him right there.What was the deal? What law was he breaking by talking to his buddy and what business is it of yours? Why do you think you should be involved in the operation of the range or this guys personal business? We called some friends of mine (local law enforcement) and they responded very quick like with 3 cars and told the gentlemen they had to leave. Even though I had a loaded glock 30 on my hip concealed and a S&W 642 in my inside jacket pocket I know I made the right decision. I had a safe alternative and will op for that one every time. It is just sad for me though knowing that some politicians will classify all of us in the same category as these guys and think all gun owners are like this.What catagory of guy is this? Do you hate people that want to be left alone? or is it people that eat you despise? Do you hate guys with magazine fed revolvers or what?

Just had to share this with someone, sort of bummed out by it.


I hate to be critical but something is wrong with this story. Besides being one GIANT paragraph. You kept pestering the guy and took forever to finally tell the guy about the eating policy. I think you flagged your buddy the RO to pester this guy and the two of you made it clear you would not leave him in peace and let him shoot. He opted for the polite route and asked for a refund and left. You followed him into the parking lot and you called the police on him for looking at you. All the guy did was eat at the range, what does that have to do with denying him the right to own firearms?
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One word: Xanax.

Note: I left the bold print out. I was too lazy to replicate it.
 
i love the anonymous offender's being called the "Hamburgler." it made me chuckle.

don't let this incident get you down, revolverguy. things happen when dealing with joe public, ya know? just call him the "Hamburgler" inside your head, laugh, and move on from this, having learned more about the elusive north american idiot than you knew before. (well, okay, maybe not so elusive.)
 
Generally it's really better to leave a person to their own devices if they pose no threat to anyone else.
Do you also go up to people who smoke cigarettes and tell them
"hey, those might give you cancer."
then stare at them until they feel awkward and violated enough to put it out.
Because it really isn't that important in the grand sceme of things.
They get lead poisoning, maybe, you don't ever see them again, who's to even know.
Try to respect other people's decisions, even if you think they are misguided.
 
Generally it's really better to leave a person to their own devices if they pose no threat to anyone else.
Do you also go up to people who smoke cigarettes and tell them
"hey, those might give you cancer."
then stare at them until they feel awkward and violated enough to put it out.
Because it really isn't that important in the grand sceme of things.
They get lead poisoning, maybe, you don't ever see them again, who's to even know.
Try to respect other people's decisions, even if you think they are misguided.
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If they are breaking the rules and no one steps in, it is only a matter of time before they pose a threat to someone else.
 
I gotta say, Revolverguy and the Hamburgler are two reasons I have never shot at "range" Thank goodness I live near large tracts of public land so I don't have to be lectured on food safety or deal with people who get angry when someone is meddling.
 
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