Someone "reaches" for your gun at the range

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If I see someone with a firearm that I have not seen before or that I find particularly interesting, I might move closer and stand well outside of his "personal space" (which increases quite a bit when you are at a range). When he is reloading his mags or obviously stopped for something else, I'll clear my throat or something to ensure that he notices me and then comment on the firearm in question. Just walking up and handling someone else's firearm is rather impolite at the very least. Kind of depends upon what the range is on what constitutes violating someone's "personal space"... I've been at informal ranges where if you were within 20 ft of someone, you would be in their "personal space" and I've seen indoor ranges where people are maybe 4 ft away in or behind the next booth and that is NOT considered their "personal space". In a lot of ways, I prefer the indoor ranges where there are 8-10 people shooting in a fairly confined area since most of these guys don't reload and as such, it makes my policing of my brass more productive since theirs inadvertently gets swept up with it... I sometimes go to the range with two .50 caliber ammo boxes (only one with some ammo in it) and return with both boxes full of brass.
 
While shooting at ranges over the years I have had people approach my personal space while I was focused on my shooting or reloading etc... One time a range officer approached my side and started asking me what kind of gun I was shooting and even if he could shoot it etc... while I was in the middle of a focused shooting round. Other strangers too have come very close physically to my weapons to admire or inquire and looked like they were also coming close to actually picking up one of my pistols that were laying on the shelf in front of me, whether out of lack of respect for other's possessions or personal space. Certainly there are times when someone could easily grab one of my guns, with or without me being able to intercept their hand. Sometimes people tend to get too friendly and casual when at the range in my opinion and people can get sloppy with their interactions with others. And of course a person with bad intentions could easily grab a gun from a shooter for whatever reason. I have heard of people renting guns at ranges to commit suicide so there could be a wide range of motives for someone to reach for one of my guns.

I have wondered what I would do if someone instantly reached towards my gun at the range without my consent or knowledge. Were they going to just point and inquire or actually grab it? That's a very very fine line. My instinct would be to instantly and physically manhandle the person to regain possession and control of my firearm, but where cat-like reflexes are needed my mind might be more focused on my own range motions and not typical street situational awareness. Of course that brings up the question of whether or not I was justified in taking physical steps to secure my weapon. I wouldn't want to bring physical force or let loose a verbal assault against someone who had a momentary lapse of reason, or wasn't paying attention and confused my shooting lane with his buddies lane. I also have this personal rule about not being shot by my own weapon. Somewhere in there is also "the law" which I would rather stay on the right side of, and of course defending myself from an assault charge is also something I would prefer to avoid.

Perhaps if you have had any close calls or nervous feelings at the range or experiences with someone naively or rudely or even with hostility approaching your weapons that would be interesting to hear. Perhaps you have tactics or a strategy while training to deal with someone reaching for your gun when you are at the range?

So you are worried about something that didn't and probably wont ever happen?

Lighten up, stop worrying and being so paranoid.
 
I don't know about the idea that I am unfriendly and paranoid. Boy you Bozos are really out to get me. :)

I show my guns to other people, on my terms, and I always like bringing up guns in conversations. I'll let just about anyone handle my guns, again on my terms so that I can be sure it is safe and approriate to do so. To be honest I have noticed a general increase in the lack of respect for other people's property over the last few years, not just thievery but general daily interactions among people and possessions. I suppose some of that spills over into every area of society including guns. Your mileage may vary.

In my experience communication at the range is often very difficult because of the noise and hearing protection, so hand gestures are more common and the ability to converse almost impossible at times. Add eye protection and barricades and shooters are at a disadvantage to their surroundings and the actions of others. Why should situational awareness be relaxed just because it's a range and not another gathering among strangers? If someone intentionally or unintentionally grabbed your gun or range bag how long would it take for you to notice? Do you always have all of your guns in your hand or in your field of view? I doubt it. If someone started to intentionally shoot people at the range, how long would it take for you to notice? I don't have all the answers nor do I really expect a final solution but I do think it is interesting to at least consider these things.

Do I trust other shooters more than strangers in public just because they are at a shooting range? No. Do I relax my safe gun handling rules, including retention and preventing unapproved access to others just because I am at the range? No.

I have seen some really stupid things happen at the range over the years - negligent discharges, tense verbal attacks, cops being called, kids unsupervised, lots of swiping... not to mention all of the news and personal accounts here on gun forums of suicides, people accidentally shooting themselves/others etc... So maybe I do come off as being more cautious at the range than others. Thankfully Strykervet and a few others seem to know where I am coming from so there is hope that I am not delusional or paranoid. :scrutiny:

If I let a young woman shoot my gun and hot brass causes her to shoot herself or me, I am responsible. I gave my gun to someone who was not capable of safely firing it without knowing how to deal with a common range hazard. If someone uses my gun to cause harm and I could have prevented it the same thing applies whether it was a child or thief or suicide mission or just a mistake *if I could have prevented it*. Everyone has their own line in the sand to cross between safety and having fun. One can't prevent all bad situations in life and I am certainly not trying to lock down the ranges with sterile militaristic conduct and nanny state rules. In fact the opposite - I do see some problems that happen every so often at the ranges and I believe a free society can self-regulate and inform each other with that First Amendment so that the Second Amendment can be exercised properly.
 
I have never heard of this scenario so why worry. If some one reaches for my weapon i will say in a loud voice NO. that will fix it. Now if some one wants to look at my weapon thats fine with me. we all like to look at guns. Just ask
 
Sounds to me like the real problem is the lawyers and the sue-happy society that we have. Sometimes, you just have to let Darwinism play out to its ultimate end.
 
This thread amazes me! Perhaps I've lived a sheltered life.... Although I enjoy shooting out in the sticks off of old logging roads, I've never had anyone get too close for comfort. Usually there's nobody around for miles.

More often (and closer) I go to the club I belong to. It's a private range open to the public only during matches and hunter sight-in. Everyone there is like a friend or brother even if you haven't met them before. We have a covered firing line with a well-used cast iron stove. On these cold and rainy days, sometimes we sit around the stove and shoot the bull more than anything. People just seem to treat each other with friendliness and respect. As an example, if you walk up and the range is hot, typically someone will say "just let us know when you need a ceasefire" so the new arrival can go downrange. I have zero qualms about leaving my stuff on the line or in the rifle racks while I'm downrange.

As for somebody making a grab at my guns, the only culprit was a friend who is new to shooting. Initially, he'd pick up a gun without asking just like grabbing a hammer from a tool box; and put it back in the same manner. I fixed that by example; no harsh words needed. After a couple gun shows and range trips, he picked up the standard etiquette.

Before anyone says it: Yes, I'm truly fortunate!
 
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I've never had a stranger make a grab for one of my guns - a polite approach and inquiry, yes, and I'll likely hand it to him and maybe invite him to take a shot.

Likewise, when I see something I find interesting, I make a reasonable approach - I don't crowd the guy! - and inquire about his gun; if I want to take a closer look at it, maybe handle it, I ask the owner's permission first.

I've encountered some knuckleheads on the range - once when working the firing line at the club during deer sight-in days I had to throw a guy off the range (long story) but I've never had a problem with a gun-grabber on the firing line.
 
My instinct would be to instantly and physically manhandle the person to regain possession and control of my firearm

While I was out on the family farm, a guy that we had just bought a horse from tried to get my pistol out of my holster as I was trying to lock a gate (he actually put a hand on the grip and pulled but didn't know how to unholster from the SERPA). I did exactly as you feel like your instinct would be and quickly put him on the ground (without any physical injuries). I have had a few lessons in weapon retention, and I was taught that once someone makes a deliberate movement for your weapon, you take immediate action to secure it. Now, the guy quickly apologized, but I did not know him and was not going to let someone grab a loaded gun off of my hip.

This wasn't on a shooting range, but if someone were to try to grab my weapon at a range then I would most likely respond with a firm "No" and possibly a slap on the reaching hand (Sounds like a 'pansy' move, but it gets the point across).
 
Coming over to other people's benches and admiring their iron is standard practice at most ranges. Grabbing them is not, but it sounds like that has not actually happened to the OP. I don't see any reason to suspect that because a person is eyeballing your firearms and admiring them he's going to suddenly grab them. For one thing they're likely unloaded as a standard safety measure, and for another the one you're actually shooting is loaded.

That said, there are circumstances where I'd be a little more nervous. Isolated rural informal ranges where there's no staff and just some nogoodnicks. The solution there is to leave.

As far as asking to shoot someone else's firearm, I've never done it unless I really know the person well. But many folks have offered to let me. I usually don't make the same offer because my firearms aren't anything special. I would NOT let someone else shoot any handgun. The risks of an ND are too great. A rifle benched and set up? That's another matter. Much less likely to sweep people or get out of control. You just have a seat, raise the stock and pull the trigger.
 
Never had a problem. Myself, I believe in etiquette. I always ask the owner if I can handle a gun before doing so. At gun shows I ask if I can pick up a weapon, then say thank you if I'm not interested. A polite atmosphere is always more pleasant.
 
I generally offer people an opportunity to shoot any gun i bring to the range if they show interest as i think the key to protecting gun rights is ensuring others are interested in preserving them. I'll generally load three rounds and coach them if i feel they lack experience. When people offer to let me shoot their gun i always insist on using my own ammo or offering to have them shoot one of my guns with my ammo to reciprocate.
 
With all respect that is due, I sincerely apologize if anyone took my earlier statement in this thread as an insult:

"I don't know about the idea that I am unfriendly and paranoid. Boy you Bozos are really out to get me. :) " -Carbonator

My intent was to lighten up this thread with a bit of humor to brush off the insults to my character in this thread such as me being "paranoid, unfriendly, know-it-all". Seems my light hearted "Bozos" wording is considered to be much more severe than those insults directed at my character, enough to get me an infraction even. Personally I'd rather be called a Bozo in jest than to be called paranoid, unfriendly, know-it-all... Your mileage may vary and for that I do apologize.
 
Someone "reaches" for your gun at the range

Long time ago a friend reached over for one of my french fries.

I looked into his eyes with my Number 3 Steely Eyed Look and said, "Have you ever seen someone with their hand on backwards?"

He then retracted his hand away from my fries.

So, now you know what I'd do.

Deaf
 
I often have more than one pistol out on the table when at the range. I don't leave them sitting out loaded. Normally they are laying with the slide back and no magazine. I still would stop someone who tried to pick on up without permission. Even when shooting at the range I have my little LCP in my pocket if it ever got tense.
 
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