Something I realized At The Range This Week..

[MadMercS55]

I realized that Glocks may not be quite "right" for me. I've been a die-hard Glock 17 fan for years on years now. Fired many thousands of rounds through them in classes, training, range, etc. This week I went to the range and did some serious trigger work with a G17, G23, G30, Sig P220, Beretta 92FS and Beretta PX4. I did so much better with the P220\92\PX4 than I did with any of the Glocks. I don't mean a "tiny" bit better, I mean ALOT better. Even my dad and wife commented on it. I also realized that the P220 was apparently made for me, since in one session I was able to put 25rnds of 230grn Golden Sabers on a piece of white copy paper at 20yrds and have a decent grouping at that. Anyone else come to such a realization that their favorite weapon may not be right for them?

 

[tarrigoni]

The same thing happened to me when my wife saw me shoot a Sig 229 in 9mm. "Wow, you shoot that thing a lot better than your Glock."

I had to buy it.. I don't know what I'm going to do with the Glock now. Maybe I'll get another Sig!

 

[torpid]

I usually do my best 9mm shooting with a Sig P226.
The Sigs always seem to feel perfect for my hand.

Glocks just don't feel right in my hand.
My best .45 shooting is usually with a Glock 21.
I can shoot that thing like it was made for me.


I am a very confused person.

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[possum]

I shoot really good, well for me anyway with my xd, while i was home i shot my dads glock 17 and 19 and didn't do nearly as good even after shooting it for quite a while, i also have found that I do good with sigs as well!

 

[Red State]

I couldnt agree with you guys more. I have quite a bit of experience with both the Glock 23 and Sig P229, and my groups have ALWAYS been significantly tighter with the Sig. That Glock trigger is just too ...... blah.

As far as reliability goes, I think that the Sig requires a little more TLC to feed and function properly.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

After over 3000 odd rounds of trying I gave up on my G20. I could never get over the glock frame squishy-ness during recoil. Some love it and call it a "feature". I hated it and sold the gun at a loss just because of it.

 

[wally]

I'm another that Glocks don't work out for. I was embarrassed to shoot my Glock 17 or 21, by far the worst "groups" than with any other 9mm or .45 I have. Good sights but lousy trigger.

Since installing 3.5 lb connectors I'm no longer embarrased to shoot them, but now I doubt they'd be safe to carry. The Glock trigger would be fine for SD "instinctive" point shooting, but for me Glocks don't point well either. Make nice safe queens to fill out the collection though

--wally.

 

[SeanSw]

I'm beginning to feel the same thing right now. I've only been shooting less than a year and absolutely love revolvers and my S&W M67. However, last week I completely out-shot my usual ability with a well tuned Glock 17. I never imagined myself to be a Glock fan but that gun sure helped out this amatuer.

 

[palerider1]

i shoot best with my Ruger mk III 22, but by doing so i have greatly improved my accuracy with my colt 45 1911. the Ruger has little to no recoil and it helps me practice stability and trigger pull. after shooting my 45 the Ruger sounds like a popcorn popper.

 

[albanian]

I am one of the few that went the other with the SIG. I carried a SIG 220 .45acp everyday on duty and I loved that gun. I really loved it but I found that in rapid fire especially one handed and weak handed, I could not control it as well as some other guns. I was still pretty accurate with it and got a 98% on the range but I could have done 100% with several other pistols.

Glocks have never been anything more than just another gun to me. I have not shot them enough to know where to rank every model. Most of the models I have shot or owned were average. I have not owned a G-19, G-17 or G-34 so I can't speak for these models. I have a feeling they would be the most accurate.

I can shoot my SA XD-9 as well as any pistol I have ever shot. It is accurate in slow fire and rapid fire. There are few others that tend to shoot very well for me in rapid fire but only average in slow fire, Beretta 92s, Rugers P-95s, most S&W autos.

 

[MadMercS55]

Went to the indoor range again today with a few friends. I put 300rnds through my G17 today vs. a friends well used P226. Again I shot the P226 much better both in rapid and slow fire. I'm guessing it's a combo of the Glock's trigger and grip angle that just make for a bad combo for me personally. At this rate I'd be better investing in a P226 or P228\9. All this got me thinking about re-doing my pistol line-up with assistance from my upcoming tax return. My friend offered to trade a P228 for the G17, and I think I'm going to start there and see how things go. I hate to part with the Glocks but I'd rather have something that works a little more natural with me.

 

[Falconeer]

My friend offered to trade a P228 for the G17

I've always heard great things about the P228. Sig doesn't make it any more and it's very well thought of.

 

[boofus]

I couldn't hit a thing at 15 yards with my Glock 19 or 26. With my Colt XSE or my Mark 23 I can punch the center out of a target. Just keep trying different guns til you find something that works well.

There are enough quality manufacturers that you shouldn't be stuck using a certain brand just because everyone else says it's good.

 

[Devonai]

Sig still makes the P228 but reserves the entire production for the military/LE market:

http://www.sigarms.com/le-military/classiccompactsize-models.asp?product_id=182

I have owned and used Glocks for years, but I've never liked them enough to keep one permanently. I prefer my H&K USP compact .40 and Sig P226 9mm, and of course my Beretta 92FS still gets some holster time. However, if you put any Glock in my hand I would not be upset in the least, with the exception of the subcompacts if the mission is extensive.

I do happen think that the Glock 19/23/32 provides the best compromise of size and capacity of any pistol on the market. I only chose the USP compact because of the trigger characteristics.

 

[ErminioB]

Your experience about the PX4

Good afternoon MadMerc,
I'm considering to buy a PX4 - would you please detail your experience with it for me?

Thanks for your time, regards
Erminio

 

[Curare]

The Glock trigger takes a while to master (just like the silly DA/SA transition in the SIG--learning one trigger pull is difficult--why learn two?). You just need to release the Glock trigger a few mm to get to reset and then pull again. Once you get handy with the trigger you will have no problem shooting tight groups. I also tune my Glock triggers to get the best possible performance out of them. My G17L with a 2 3/4# trigger will put a P226 to shame. I can also do without the MIM parts in the SIG, the added weight and complexity, and the ridiculously high bore axis.

Just because you cannot shoot your Glock well doesn't mean others have that same problem. I have yet to shoot a pistol/revolver that didn't group nicely for me. In many cases it's the archer--not the arrow.

 

[ShelbyV8]

I tought we were talking about combat gun. If you are carring a Glock with a 2 3/4# trigger keep your insurance paid up and and tell me how to contact your widow.

 

[MadMercS55]

Curare,

I've been using Glock 17's for many years now and combined between 2 G17's I've probably fired over 20,000 rnds throught the both. I've got the trigger down and everything, but for some reason I just tend to be a tad more accurate with the P220\226. Personally I think they just fit me better overall than the Glock, the DA/SA transition has never bothered me at all and I can get consistant accurate hits with the DA pull on SIGs, Beretta, etc.
I didn't mean the thread as anything to do with Glock in particular. I've been a Glock fan near forever, and was musing how at times, something you may really like just doesn't work naturally with you.

Erminio,

At this point I have right around 2300rnds through the PX4 and have experienced zero malfunctions. I've been using the medium grip insert and it fits my hand perfectly. The stock sights will glow, but not quite as long as they advertise (I get about 2 minutes of glow compared to the 30 min stated in some places). I have fired it out to 20yrds and it is exceedingly accurate and recoil is minimal at best, not sure if the rotating barrel design helps that or not. The frame's feed ramp is a steel insert with polymer coating and after about 500rnds of JHP ammo, it showed some deterioration, however it hasn't caused any issues. Beretta states this to be normal, but I'm not sure. Time will tell in that regard. Overall that about sums it up. It works, is accurate and right now in some areas they are going for $499 with 3 mags. Great buy IMO.

 

[Curare]

I tought[SIC] we were talking about combat gun. If you are carring[SIC] a Glock with a 2 3/4# trigger keep your insurance paid up and and tell me how to contact your widow.

Ha!

Friend, we are discussing pistols--you are correct on that front. However, whether or not we carry said pistol and/or use it in combat is an entirely different issue. Would you feel better if I discussed the crisp 4# trigger on my G19?