Sometimes Peaceful Protest Works

[Justin]

I can't believe you didn't realize I was using figurative language, meaning that he followed some hip hop preaching and went out there and pretended to be a real bad-a** gangster, with that .380 pointed sideways and baseball cap cocked, and ended up taking the life of a young girl who had a promising future.

Well, you said "literally" which is the direct opposite of "figuratively."

I can't believe it Actually defending the killer and saying that he has free will to do whatever he wants?

Saying someone has free will and is responsible for their actions is hardly excusing murder.

Perhaps my writing was unclear?

 

[qwert65]

what about Korea?
Or my other two questions do you think people need to show cause to own a firearm? Has your goverment ever made a mistake?

I do apologize for the Mao remark

 

[Rachen]

But, hey, how many people have died making Bumfights videos, as opposed to the numbers of dead as a result of Mao's Great Leap Forward?

By that comparison, which is the greater sewer?

I'll take the Great leap Foward any day. I remember my parents and uncles telling me of their lives on the collective farms, singing together, working together, and dancing the Zhaoxing Opera by night.

BTW, since you brought up the subject of deaths during the Dayaojing. People die from natural causes all the time. And with a population such as China, the annual death rate of course, is higher than other nations. However, I wish the western media would just stop collecting our death rates during the 6 year period and making it seem like a massacre conspiracy theory.

 

[Rachen]

Perhaps my writing was unclear?

Actually, yes, I misread your post. I apologize.

Everyone has the right to free will and making their own choices, until they slip in the wrong path. Then, like our gangster wannabe friend, he's going to spend some hard time in the slammer where his only free choice will be whether we wants to go to the showers alone or not, unless some liberal politician paroles him out after a couple of years due to "good behavior".

 

[357WheelGun]

357 wheelgun how do you get above 4.0 GPA cause I could use it

When I went to HS, Advanced Placement classes were weighted on a 5 point scale. An "A" in a regular class was 4 points, but an "A" in an AP class was 5 points. If you took AP classes and managed A's across the board, you ended up with a GPA > 4.0.

Of course, that was nearly a decade ago now.

 

[qwert65]

ok thanks 357 had too ask

 

[Buck45]

I'm on the outside of this being Canadian but did I read it right that, an American Citizen just called his birth country of China his Country and not the United States his country of citizenship. The reason I ask it's been a very strange day here in Canada. Miller the Mayor of Toronto who has said Americans lack common sense and is against the 2nd amendment to the point of saying no one should own guns. Was born in San Francisco in 1958 in the United States not Britain.
It sounding like eat your own week in the US. I don't get it the best nation on the planet re assisting other nations in peril and it's being crapped on. No offence just really puzzled.

 

[Rachen]

what about Korea?

What about Korea? Do you mean in 1950, when the UN ganged up on us and attempted to cross the Yalujiang into our territory, then install Chiang Kai Shek back as dictator of China before we drove them back to the 38th parallel?

Also the reason why China is still hesitant about gun ownership on a mass scale is because there is still a lot of people uneducated. You might be surprised to hear this, but almost a third of the population in China cannot go to school because they have to work at a young age to support their families. As a result, they have not received a formal education in life's philosophy, moral conduct and laws. Maybe in the near future, when we continue to improve our economy so more people can receive a formal education, we can relax our firearms laws little by little. We are going to have more gun rights in the future, however, that takes some time. It's like the transition of China from a feudal dynastic regime to a constitutional republic. It can't happen overnight. First you take little baby steps, then you progress on with more bigger and firm steps once you mastered the beginnings.

 

[357WheelGun]

Everyone has the right to free will and making their own choices, until they slip in the wrong path. Then, like our gangster wannabe friend, he's going to spend some hard time in the slammer...

Excellent. So you do agree then, that as long as no physical harm is done to others, a person should be free to do as he pleases. Including listening to rap or watching pornography.

Pornography and rap do not cause people to act. By saying that you agree that people have free will, you must necessarily also agree with the preceding sentence. After all, if pornography and rap music actually caused people to act in certain ways, then those people would not, in fact, have free will. Yet you have admitted that you agree that people have free will to choose their own actions.

People have free will. Free will means that people's actions are not caused by things like pornography or rap music. You agree that people have free will. Ergo, you agree that pornography and rap music do not cause damage to society.

Q.E.D.

 

[qwert65]

still got that last question Rachen is your gov ever wrong?

Also, lots of uneducated people have used firearms for centuries. does china not trust it's citizens to teach their children morals?

do you live in NYC?

and excuse the rudeness of this question but why are you in this country?

 

[357WheelGun]

Also the reason why China is still hesitant about gun ownership on a mass scale is because there is still a lot of people uneducated. You might be surprised to hear this, but almost a third of the population in China cannot go to school because they have to work at a young age to support their families. As a result, they have not received a formal education in life's philosophy, moral conduct and laws. Maybe in the near future, when we continue to improve our economy so more people can receive a formal education, we can relax our firearms laws little by little.

Translation: "China is afraid of non-indoctrinated people having weapons. Once we are able to brainwash everyone in our country, we may consider relaxing firearms laws, but until everyone is completely indoctrinated to support the Party, we are afraid that there may still be some free-thinking people out there."

The amazing thing about the US, Rachen, is that we don't need to have an education criterion for our citizens to own weapons. No country should. If a country truly needs people to be state-educated before they can have firearms then that is indicative of foundational problems. The only legitimate reason for a country to mandate full state education before people can have firearms is if that country does not trust potential free-thinkers with weapons.

 

[Rachen]

Excellent. So you do agree then, that as long as no physical harm is done to others, a person should be free to do as he pleases. Including listening to rap or watching pornography.

Yes I agree. And I just realized how silly my previous post about porn and rap sound too. It's like saying the presence of a gun will cause someone to commit violent acts, and thats one notion I have laughed at and scorned since I just started to fight for 2A.

So yes, I take back my comments on porn and rap. Everyone has the right to listen to them and view them as much as they please, as long as they do it in the privacy of their own home and not force it upon others.

And that also means, that someone has the right to prohibit porn and rap, on his private property.

 

[WayneConrad]

Freedom and liberty are for everyone. Including people who do things that, while you may not like them, are absolutely harmless. This includes looking at pictures of naked women. And, quite frankly, I'll take any of the supposed "harms" represented by the presence of legally available girly magazines over a government that has jailed people merely for speaking up about safe sex and AIDS prevention.

Said another way: Freedom and liberty must include even things that are known to be patently harmful. Free speech must include hateful, violent speech. The second amendment must include even "dangerous" weapons. Freedom of religion must include even coercive cults. Because: The cure for these harmful things is government power, and government power is even more harmful.

Everyone has the right to free will and making their own choices, until they slip in the wrong path.

Did you just say, that everyone is free to make their own choices, as long as they are only the "right" choices?

 

[qwert65]

I just checked to confirm what I thought China attacked us while we were in N.Korea thus they were not defending their soil in fact they mobilized right after we crossed the 38th which is the S.korean/N. korean border and since N. korea attacked us and china backed N. korea...... you see where I'm going with this?

 

[Rachen]

still got that last question Rachen is your gov ever wrong?

In our country, we have an ancient saying: "Even the most purest piece of jade has impurities in it." Nobody is perfect. I'll be damned if I am 100% perfect my whole life. No way. No government is perfect either. Even though I dearly love my country and government, I don't think it is 100% perfect. However, that is why I emphasize education in history and politics, so our younger generations will continue the work of our forefathers and continue to improve as the years go on.

Likewise, our President Jiang Zemin said in 1999 that "no learning ever ceases when a man reaches a certain age. Learning will always continue". We learn from our mistakes every day. There will be no day when we can reach absolute perfection. It is a fact of humankind, much like how the universe is endless, and no matter what sophisticated instruments we have, we will never achieve absolute zero.

Also, lots of uneducated people have used firearms for centuries. does china not trust it's citizens to teach their children morals?

Learning about morals is one thing. Knowing the law and memorizing the Constitution is also important. Knowing morals doesn't mean one would not give in to rash decisions based on emotion and act irratically.

do you live in NYC?

Yes, and I am a proud member of NRA and fighter for the 2nd Amendment. All day, every day, any day.

Due to the apparent rudeness of the last question, of course I won't answer it LOL.

 

[Ergosphere]

Just because they accomplished something more than the Nationalists before them does not mean they are good, by any stretch of the imagination.

Actually, the Nationalists did better than the Communists. After all, Taiwan is now a democracy. Yes, it's corrupt, but then the corruption in mainland China is pretty horrific as well. At least Taiwan didn't suffer through the Cultural Revolution.

Article 10 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, drafted in 1950 by the Chief Commissioner of Internal Affairs, Premier Zhou Enlai, lists the exact same requirement that NOBODY is to face unnecessary punishment, imprisonment, ostracism, or any other penal process unless there is direct evidence of a crime.

The PRC Constitution isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state, of society and of the collective, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens.

...may not infringe upon the interests of the state?!?!?!? Read the first part of my signature...

In it's 5,000 year history, China has never waged war against anybody else.

The proper response to that ridiculous statement would offend Art's grandma. Let's see... does anyone here remember Korea? Never mind the invasion of Tibet (which was an actual military invasion, the Tibetan army was hopelessly outnumbered and easily defeated.) China has also repeatedly threatened to invade Taiwan.

What about Korea? Do you mean in 1950, when the UN ganged up on us and attempted to cross the Yalujiang into our territory, then install Chiang Kai Shek back as dictator of China before we drove them back to the 38th parallel?

Someone needs a history lesson...

 

[Rachen]

Never mind the invasion of Tibet

Tibet has always been a part of China, since the Han Dynasty, when great general Huo Chiubin signed a blood pact with the Tibetan king. Tibet will always be part of China too.

You wouldn't like it either if the US is split into several independant countries, each of them vulnerable to attack by merciless, land hungry prowlers from the outside. Can a divided nation ever stand?

Actually, the Nationalists did better than the Communists. After all, Taiwan is now a democracy. Yes, it's corrupt, but then the corruption in mainland China is pretty horrific as well. At least Taiwan didn't suffer through the Cultural Revolution.

So go to Taiwan and openly criticize their government and their rigged elections. I'll have to think of a way to bail you out of their torture centers before they cut you into mincemeat. At least in mainland PRC, you CAN do the above, and not have to worry about retribution.

 

[357WheelGun]

And that also means, that someone has the right to prohibit porn and rap, on his private property.

Agreed about private property. I also believe that a person has the right to prohibit firearms on his private property. I think it's silly to do so, but I support it as inherent to the right of private property.

 

[Rachen]

Someone needs a history lesson...

Someone who is actually studying to become a history teacher? Really?

I am writing a novel right now, titled "Tai Ping Tien Guo", and it tells the story of the great Taiping Revolution from 1841-1865, and the factors that made them fail too. The Taiping Revolution was probably one of the greatest upheavals in Chinese history, an ultra nationalist movement, and it's leaders are some of the greatest statesmen and military commanders ever existed.

 

[Rachen]

Agreed about private property. I also believe that a person has the right to prohibit firearms on his private property. I think it's silly to do so, but I support it as inherent to the right of private property.

People are free to post No Guns Allowed signs on their property as well, but we all know whats going to happen to them at night when that convertible filled with teeny vandals starving for some easy takings show up in front of their house right?

People can oppose guns all they want, but when they force their intentions upon me or anyone else who thinks otherwise, there is going to be problems.

 

[qwert65]

So do you think you should be prohibited too own a firearm(since you are in a city)?

 

[Big45]

Is this a joke? Is someone actually defending the PEOPLES' REPUBLIC OF CHINA on a gun forum? Is this opposite day?

FORGET. CHINA.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

At least in mainland PRC, you CAN do the above, and not have to worry about retribution.

Yeah, just ask Wei Jingsheng or Wang Dan about that.

 

[Rachen]

So do you think you should be prohibited too own a firearm(since you are in a city)?

Good question. The United States of America has gun rights written in it's Constitution, and the nation has a great history of firearms ownership. What New York City is trying to do is to go against the Constitution, which, in my opinion, is pure treason.

Yet in China, the Constitutiton is very new, and we never had any ordinances or written statements regarding gun ownership in the past. It is actually a very new thing.

But right now, we are just starting to work on our constitution, and at the same time, give to the people little by little. When you give a hungry man too much food, he will throw it all up. When you give it to him in moderate amounts, he will be thankful.

 

[Rachen]

Yeah, just ask Wei Jingsheng or Wang Dan about that.

How do you know these two individuals haven't done anything else but "criticize the government"? There are darks things deep under every single seemingly innocent situation that you or I don't know much about, but only time will tell.