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Out of all my 7mm rifles, my favorite is by far my 7x57 followed closely by my 7mm Wby.
Speakin' of Dying Cartridges...
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Out of all my 7mm rifles, my favorite is by far my 7x57 followed closely by my 7mm Wby.
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As was pointed out to me in another thread:
If you can beat the range and the wind?
The .30-06 based cartridges, modern bullets, (and a decent Range Finder), will carry the freight out to about as far as one can ethically shoot.
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Absolutely correct! No need for the 03spawn or wsm whatsoever!
Realistically, with modern barrels/chambers/components, we don't need anything between the .308 case and .375 (Ruger or holland) for ethical shots.
Hopefully winchester, savage, Tikka, and all the others don't figure this out any time soon!
Absolutely correct! No need for the 03spawn or wsm whatsoever!
Realistically, with modern barrels/chambers/components, we don't need anything between the .308 case and .375 (Ruger or holland) for ethical shots.
Hopefully winchester, savage, Tikka, and all the others don't figure this out any time soon!
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The .308's - weren't even crappin' in its diapers when the mighty '06's were killin' everything on the planet.
Take your SA bolt gun and go play somewhere else.
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The .308 comes in a 99 too!The .308's - weren't even crappin' in its diapers when the mighty '06's were killin' everything on the planet.
Take your SA bolt gun and go play somewhere else.
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Friend of mine was talking about that one.
Guess he watched the youtube videos they have up. I havent looked into it too hard yet.
Id be interested in seeing what numbers it turns, and how much more capacity it has over the RPM.
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No 284 win?
I forgot the 7x57, 7wby, 7mm tcu, among other also.......theres just soooo many to love .....
Actually the 7x57 and .284 and other "meds" are only really interesting to me if i can find (afford) the right action length.
Like wise the 7tcu dosent have quite enough powder.....so maybe they arnt ALL for me....
Kinda it barely fits
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Not if you're loading the high BC projectiles
A re-read for some maybe: Boddington on the 270 WSM.
https://www.craigboddington.com/endorsed-outfitters/hunting-tips/my-favorite-new-magnum
The WSM development had realistic goals in mind:
1. Create a modern beltless magnum, headspaced from the shoulder, not the belt.
2. Make it short to have an efficient powder column like the extremely uniform PPC.
3. Enable magnum performance in a short action rifle.
4. Create Buzz and excitement. (Like your marriage counselor says that you should.)
I post that for the benefit of those who were not around when these were talked about.
I never had a 300. Bought the 270 WSM on a whim and was very impressed.
What are the down sides?
This depends upon your priorities and preferences.
The WSM is going to give you around 250 fps. more speed and with it, energy, vs. an '06 based round. However this will come at a cost of around 7.5 grains of powder per cartridge. Cases are also expensive. Your rifle may hold 1 or 2 less of the horizontally challenged little cases. My Kimber holds 3+1. Some others hold 2+1. Cycling: multiple rifles do not like to smoothly cycle the fat little cartridges. I have never had a problem in the field though. When your adrenaline is pumping, I have never had a problem with the Kimber shucking one out and briskly putting another in.
Why would a person choose to go with a WSM? Maybe on a whim like me. Maybe you like short actions. Perhaps a person is looking for a beltless case which will get them in league with a 7mm Mag or a 300 Win Mag.
Suggestions: A push feed may have more luck with this round due to its shape. Slower powders like Magpro and RL 26 seem to help the WSM get where its designers intended. Check the capacity of the rifle, to be sure you don't end up with a 2+1 if you are not comfortable with that.
https://www.craigboddington.com/endorsed-outfitters/hunting-tips/my-favorite-new-magnum
The WSM development had realistic goals in mind:
1. Create a modern beltless magnum, headspaced from the shoulder, not the belt.
2. Make it short to have an efficient powder column like the extremely uniform PPC.
3. Enable magnum performance in a short action rifle.
4. Create Buzz and excitement. (Like your marriage counselor says that you should.)
I post that for the benefit of those who were not around when these were talked about.
I never had a 300. Bought the 270 WSM on a whim and was very impressed.
What are the down sides?
This depends upon your priorities and preferences.
The WSM is going to give you around 250 fps. more speed and with it, energy, vs. an '06 based round. However this will come at a cost of around 7.5 grains of powder per cartridge. Cases are also expensive. Your rifle may hold 1 or 2 less of the horizontally challenged little cases. My Kimber holds 3+1. Some others hold 2+1. Cycling: multiple rifles do not like to smoothly cycle the fat little cartridges. I have never had a problem in the field though. When your adrenaline is pumping, I have never had a problem with the Kimber shucking one out and briskly putting another in.
Why would a person choose to go with a WSM? Maybe on a whim like me. Maybe you like short actions. Perhaps a person is looking for a beltless case which will get them in league with a 7mm Mag or a 300 Win Mag.
Suggestions: A push feed may have more luck with this round due to its shape. Slower powders like Magpro and RL 26 seem to help the WSM get where its designers intended. Check the capacity of the rifle, to be sure you don't end up with a 2+1 if you are not comfortable with that.
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And thats the ONLY reason im not stoked on the mauser rounds, and the .284 family......
Something else of note....
@Nature Boy mentioned that variants were on the line in F-class.
Are there any directly 06 based cartridges represented in the long range matches, especially open class? Out side of the random "cause i wanna" guy?
I don't actually believe in the short fat theory in terms of absolute velocity, and im not a good enough shot to have experienced the accuracy side of it either. But when whole rafts of serious competitors choose to shoot something, or more specifically a form factor (think CM/Lapua/6XC type cartridges also), they might be onto something.
Since we like car analogies; id say hunters are really mostly commuters. We might need a 2 Door Spe-k, or a F-350, but were still not running our machines to redline day in day out.
Competitive shooting is more like autosports. Youll take any advantage you can get away with, and youll run it to the ragged edge.
They dont actually have a ton in common besides were still using combustion engines, but when you cherry pick competitive technology and apply it to commuter product you can sometimes effect a net gain.
Whether the average consumer even gives a crap.......
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None that I'm aware of.
Point taken. But it debuted in the Win 88/100 rifles along side .308 and .243. You could get by. Its the 6.5-284 that might not.
But...but....now that ive fondled them i NEED 1.7" long 190gr Atips!
Ive had dreams of a model 7 in .284 launching 120s.... actually ive had dreams of all kindsa model 7s
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It's 2020. You don't even need to be a 7 to be a model.
LOL!!! Then I get chance......
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I am a big fan of the 30-06, and it dominated long range shooting matches. But when the 308 was introduced to match shooting it changed the game. The .308 and .308 based cartridges are inherently accurate. That is a prime reason for SA cartridges. The 30-06 has greater capacity and will handle heavier bullets but in lighter bullets the 308 is not far behind. The expectation with the WSSM cartridges that they would be even more accurate but that was not the case. I also found that necking down a cartridge doesn't always make it shoot faster and flatter either. A person needs to decide what they want a cartridge to do and pick one. I like accurate cartridges as I prefer my bullets to hit what I aim at. At the range there are surprising numbers of shooters that are clueless about making that happen.
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Match accuracy and practical hunting accuracy... are vastly different.
People that whine about a hunting rifle not shooting sub MOA... are deranged.
As the .280 has its factory load pressure issue, the 7mm-08 is a reasonable alternative.
But to choose the .308 over a .30-06, in a bolt hunting rifle, solely on the grounds that it is inherently more accurate...?
Nonsense.
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It's far more reasonable to choose the 308 because it recoils less.
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