Springfield Armory XD "Made in Croatia"?

[.cheese.]

many people drink the XD kool aid

True. However, even as a Glock fan who owns 6 .40 cal Glocks, I will give Springfield Armory credit for the new XDm. I am strongly considering getting a pair (I always buy guns in pairs).

I think the new XDm would be a great IDPA gun. It would either be 2 XDms or 2 Glock 35s. I'll probably go with the Glock 35 just because I already have lots of Glock mags.

 

[Northern-Lights]

I recently bought a XD 9 in 4 inch. Before I bought it....I tried out Glock...Sig...Tauras.....Beretta.......and the list goes on. I was about to get the Sig P 229 when I spied the XD. When I picked it up....it felt great. Unlike many of the others.....when I looked at an object....then closed my eyes and raised the gun....the XD was always pointing right at the object when I opened my eyes.

So...ergonomically, it was perfect for me. Then there was the trigger. It's a very smooth one....much better than most....and about the same feeling as a Sig.

The last two points I likes was the ease in field stripping it. Wow....1, 2, 3 and it's apart. Takes about 5 seconds......and about the same to put it back together.

Of course...haveing the price about $150 less than a Sig was a great tipping point.

I'm now considering a XDm 9 for a better concealed gun and will use my 4 inch for home and competition at my local club.

From my perspective.....it's a great gun. I've got a buddy who is a long time Glock man and now he's also bought one and is talking about selling his Glocks to buy more XD's.

 

[Lucky Strike]

It didn't bother me that they are made in Croatia when i bought one.....as far as "paying $100 for SA's roll marks", that didn't bother me either because it's still cheaper then a Glock and a better gun IMO.

 

[DA_BULLS]

I bought my Taurus PT917C rather than a Beretta because they (Beretta) did not offer a similar product. I don't care for a lot of the Taurus line, but the 92 variations are first rate and seldom is seen anything bad about them. I'm not wild about their polymer lines of pistols.

I for one, would rather have a HS2000 than a XD.

 

[rockinrussky]

As far as Geopolitics go I don't have a problem buying anything made in Croatia. Now if the XD was manufactured by the People's Republic of China or Venezuela thats a whole other issue. Either way, I own an XD 4 inch and its a great and reliable firearm.

 

[Loomis]

Hate to burst your bubble, but not only is the XD made in croatia, IT'S ALSO A CROATIAN DESIGN. Springfield doesn't do anything but put their name on it and ask for exclusive import rights.

Another really really good pistol from the former yugoslavia is the CZ99, aka zastava EZ, aka charles daly ZDA, aka TZ99.

Oh, btw, the EAA witness? It's actually an italian tanfoglio.

The AR-24, nope, not american...made in turkey by sarsimilaz, or something like that.

I'm pretty sure the kimber ten-II is actually the same thing as a charles daly M-5, and the wilson combat KZ-45, and is actually made by BUL, which is israeli.

Also, the kimber KDP seems awfully similar to the ruger SR9. They're probably both made by some foreign company.

I have my suspicions about the STI GP6 too.

 

[ghstrdyr]

What does bother me about Springfield is that for some reason they won't let you buy any factory parts for your XD so you can have spares on-hand. Why is that?

most of the parts can be bought on XDGUYS.com......... in 30 yrs of owning guns Ive never needed to replace a part and hope i never do unless its some kinda nice upgrade

you can also try springer. they make some great stuff as well.

 

[cchris]

Here's a question - is it more "American" to buy a gun whose profits will go to an American company, or buy a gun made in America whose profits go to an overseas company?

Point in case: BMW or Chevy. Buying a Chevrolet made in Ontario gives the profit to the struggling American company while paying the salaries of Canadian workers. Buying a BMW made in Greer (outside of Greenville) gives the profit to a German company, while paying the salaries of American workers.

I don't see a problem with either, since I have a couple Chevrolets (I buy them used, since I know just about everything that goes wrong with early 90's ones and exactly how to fix them) but I also go to Clemson, who entered a partnership with BMW (along with Michelin, Timken, Mazda and a few other companies) to create ICAR, the International Center for Automotive Research - a graduate campus and testing facility located in Greenville, SC. This incredibly-advanced facility wouldn't be available to my classmates that are graduating had it not been for people buying cars from the chief corporate investor, BMW. And some of the people who graduate there will go on to work for American companies, provided they are still around.

My point is, it'll all work its way back around. Buy whatever you like the best, regardless of other factors.

 

[verdun59]

cchris,
Partner you better hang on to those Chevys because the new uhbama models are going to be a whole lot different. Government designed, it's going to be great........

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Buying a Chevrolet made in Ontario gives the profit to the struggling American company while paying the salaries of Canadian workers.

Wrong, buying a Chevrolet now means you are supporting a socialist country.

 

[ReloaderFred]

Back to the original post:

I dislike the XD so much that I only own 6 of them. I've got them in the following calibers and models:

9mm Sub Compact (3 of them)
357 Sig Service (1)
.45 acp Service (1)
9x19 XD-M (1)

If they come out with an XD-M in .45 acp, that will be number 7......... I'd really like to see one in 10mm, but that's probably not going to happen.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[Dr.Rob]

Hey my first car was an Opel GT and it was a fantastic car!

Like the CZ-75, the HS 2000 got a WHOLE bunch of gunwriters excited, not just because it was NEW, but because it was well engineered.

Unlike the CZ, the HS design wasn't sold off to numerous entities like the CZ was.

Now that CZ has a US branch office, its sort of odd that people are still buying Witness/Tanfoglio pistols, but thats just how things go sometimes.

I'm sure Croatia got a nice solid and exclusive agreement from SA.

Now if SA made a deal for the all steel Russian Grach... maybe I'd buy one.

 

[KBintheSLC]

Which is more American, the Chevy pick-up made in Ontario, or the BMW made in Spartanburg South carolina?

Exactly...

 

[Col. Plink]

I know what you mean. I have a XD45T, a Croatian gun frequently loaded with Serbian (Prvi Partizan) ammo. What a mix!

The better question is why can't America do better with providing quality handguns at competitive prices and plentiful ammo that doesn't break the bank? And don't tell me about labor prices, the WalMarts where I buy my ammo are overrun with illegal aliens spending our tax money on foreign-made junk and high-fructose corn syrup.

 

[S&WMP45]

xd's are garbage, sold mine after only a month

 

[verdun59]

Gee S&MP45 what part is garbage. Mine has always run flawlessly, I don't see anything that resembles garbage on mine. Did yours smell, or was it half eaten, coffee grinds, dead fish, etc. Garbage ??

 

[9mmepiphany]

And don't tell me about labor prices, the WalMarts where I buy my ammo are overrun with illegal aliens spending our tax money on foreign-made junk and high-fructose corn syrup

how does their spending money at WalMart negate to cost of american product being the resault of increased labour cost?

 

[nalioth]

you can also try springer. they make some great stuff as well.

Do you think that the first post people who wake these zombie threads are making their first post of their lives on an internet discussion board?

Post dates are there for a purpose. Please consider them.

 

[jim147]

Come on nalioth. You have to love zombies. And now there are new childish comments so we can get ready for all the IBTL posts to soon follow.
Back on the very old subject. My XD45 is my carry weapon whenever I leave the homestead. I don't care where it was made. It always works.

jim

 

[REAPER4206969]

but I don't think a S&W M&P will run with a Sig or HK.

You would be wrong. Also, the Smith & Wesson Military & Police was designed in part by Walther engineers.

 

[Ash]

Y'all also should consider that if Glocks and XD's were all made in the US with US made parts and labor, the cost would be significantly higher. That is just economics.

Except that Ruger proves that completely wrong.

As to design etc, the Springfield P9's were rebranded Tanfoglios, which meant you could by an FIE TZ-75 or pay more for the same pistol with SA's mark on it.

In any case, I don't mind SA or HS getting rich off the XD. Marketing saved it. Had SA not gotten involved, the HS2000 might have faded (or been about as obscure as the CZ-99, which I have).

In any case, I have mostly Euro designs not because of workmanship or because of cost but because there are just those designs I like best like the CZ-75.

I do drive a Jeep Cherokee (original), and am happy with buying American where ever and when ever I can. American workers build excellent goods (like Nissan, Toyota, Mercedes, etc, but then, none of those are union made).

In any case, Europe might have been making guns longer than us, the US is responsible for interchangability of firearms parts as well as serial production of firearms that Europe copied. As it stands, though, there is no genetic superiority that allows one nation to better design than another, merely an environment conducive to production.

Ash

 

[krs]

My old English 1A prof would insist that the logo says that it is the Springfield Manufacturing Company that is made in Croatia, not the pistol upon which that logo appears.

Whatever, my XD45 Tactical is the biggest and most reliable of my .45 acp pistols, and I have a LOT of .45 acp pistols.

 

[gator1gear]

"many people drink the XD kool-aid" True, but kool-aid comes in a lot of flavors. Cherry, Blueberry, Glock, M&P, raspberry etc. XD kool-aid tastes best to me.



I used to drag race in Greer, S.C.

 

[possum]

many people drink the XD kool aid

i really don't know what people mean when they say "drinking the so and so kool aid. i have and have owned multiple, i have shot /trained with almost every model avaliable, and i have always been 100% satisfied.

my xd service model has over 14,000rds through, it has been to 3 high round count handgun training courses, and countless training days at my local range. no issues.

xd's are garbage, sold mine after only a month

sorry you feel that way, sounds like what the guys over at getoffthex.com say. mine has been great.

another place to get replacement parts is www.pistolgear.com that is where i get all my parts.

one poster stated that in 30years of shooting he has never changed a part. if you shoot enough and run your guns enough, you will need to eventually. once again i think my signature line sums it up well.

 

[ReloaderFred]

xd's are garbage, sold mine after only a month

That's hardly enough time to make an intelligent evaluation on anything. I even still liked my ex-wife after the first month of marriage..........

Fred