Springfield XD- Made in Croatia?

[Full Metal Jacket]

^^^there's no denying springfield armory downplayed the fact that xd's are made in croatia. even though it's on the frame, a lot of folks didn't notice it until they bought it and took it home. it was also not made overtly obvious in their ads.

 

[Guillermo]

COME ON

they put MADE IN CROATIA right on the frame

they hide NOTHING

to say otherwise is just silly

 

[REAPER4206969]

they put MADE IN CROATIA right on the frame

But they put: "The first name in American firearms." In their non stop advertisements. Do you know how many times I've heard: "I won't buy a Glock, I only buy 'merican made. That's why I bought an XD!"? Ask any average gun guy and he will tell you the XD is made in America.

 

[Guillermo]

Ask any average gun guy

who can't read and they MIGHT

tell you the XD is made in America

That they don't advertise something does not mean that they hide it

 

[REAPER4206969]

That they don't advertise something does not mean that they hide it

To suggest SA Inc. doesn't masquerade the origins of their weapons is being disingenuous. What about their 1911's or M1/M1A's that have the "Made in Brazil" marks under the grips/stocks?

 

[Colton White]

So basically, if you want a resonably priced, american made pistol, its boiling down the Smith and Wesson. In their 1911s or the M&P.

BINGO^^^
They are an American company and yes its good to see they didnt lie to anybody "they put made in Croatia right there on the side" you cant ask for any more than that, but even my old man didnt know he bought a Croatian gun till he got it home lol

 

[Old Shooter]

Go into any store in America today, Penny's Sears, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. etc. look at the brands you grew up with and see how many now are made in China, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, etc.

The government has sold out so much of our manufacturing base to other ountries that many companies find they must out-source the production of their prodcuts and in effect become a distributer for the foreign manufacturers.

It's a fact of life in today's world.

If the Springfield name and a quality product melts your butter...go for it.

 

[Manco]

why would you think it's sneaky?

they don't hide it at all and it's not like they've ever made guns domestically

People tend to mistake the company for the real Springfield Armory that made guns for the US military. Most folks around here know better, but the public, including many gun owners and prospective gun owners, do not. Just changing the name of the company to "Springfield Armory" as soon as the government shut down the original facility is kind of sneaky, don't you think? Having "American firearms" in their motto is also sort of misleading, isn't it? Not that I have a problem with guns made in Croatia or other countries whatsoever, but this particular importer is rather blunt and shameless with its deceptive marketing.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

SA isn't even the original armory. two brothers simply bought the name from the original in springfield, MA and opened a factory in IL.

it's not the same armory commissioned by george washington in 1794.

i love their 1911's, but there no denying they can be shady with the advertising....

 

[Ala Dan]

Where a firearm is made has little [or NO bearing} on my purchase; except
cheaply made junk from third world countries. The Croatian made SA guns
are head-and-tails, above some junk guns made here in the good ole' U.S.A.
I have the very first XD-[full size] .45 ACP ever to arrive in Bessemer, AL
for sale; with S/N US600xxx. This weapon certainly won't win any beauty
contest; but its a work-horse of a firearm. The Croatians took note of
every detail from Glock, SIG-SAUER, and H&K; and incorporated most of
those features into the XD, before ever coming too market with their product.
You're gonn'a ask, "isn't a full size SA XD .45 ACP hard to conceal"~? Yes, it
is; not so much the length of the barrel; but the lengthen grip to accomadate
a double stack 13-round magazine. But, you know what-that it where
concealment garments enter into the picture; such as vests, sweaters, coats, etc.

Some say the XD (formerly the HS2000) has a high bore axis, and they
don't like that~! Well folks, I'm here too tell you that I shoot a full size,
West German SIG-SAUER P220A in .45 ACP as a duty weapon; and I
can't tell a bit of difference. Plus, if you purchase the XD - you are
going too get 'bout $70 dollars worth of accessories [polymer holster,
polymer double magazine pouch, magazine loader, extra magazine,
cable lock, and hard case] at NO additional cost. And, right now-
they are priced right ($469.88 for 9m/m and .40 S&W) and ($499.88
for the .45 ACP. *Prices are subject too change without notice.

 

[Guillermo]

What about their 1911's or M1/M1A's that have the "Made in Brazil" marks under the grips/stocks?

Which is NOT the case with the XD

It says MADE IN CROATIA on the side

They didn't have to do that, but they did

It is goofy to say that they are HIDING something that they state on the frame of their gun that they don't have to reveal.

It is right next to their corporate location and one of the only TWO informational items on the frame

 

[dom1104]

No, you misunderstand me.

I KNEW the XD was an eastern european gun, what I didnt know is that the M1a they sell is made in brazil, or that their 1911s were imported.

I had no idea their entire LINEUP was 100% imported.

Same as Legacy Arms, or EAA, or what have you.

That is a shocker to me. Especially the M1s.


Frankly THIS is what makes me want to puke.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/aboutus.php


"George Washington ordered the creation of Springfield Armory in 1777..."

The word "USA" and "American" is on every stinkin page.

Frankly, I dont like being misled. I say again, sneaky.

 

[dom1104]

Plus, if you purchase the XD - you are
going too get 'bout $70 dollars worth of accessories [polymer holster,
polymer double magazine pouch, magazine loader, extra magazine,
cable lock, and hard case] at NO additional cost.

You mean, that crap holster, the goofy-ass mag holder that holds your mags like a V, <what is that for, if your fat like blobs over it or something?> and the rest is stuff you get with every gun?

Seriously man you are reaching. its 10 bucks worth of crap junk.

 

[REAPER4206969]

It says MADE IN CROATIA on the side

Look at the "SPRINGFIELD ARMORY U.S.A." right above it on the slide. I'd bet most people have no idea *** "Croatia" is. I still occasionally have to tell people that no, Glock is not made in "Australia"...

They didn't have to do that, but they did

No, HS Produkt did that. SA doesn't touch the "XD." Also, I do believe they are legally required to mark country of origin.

 

[Manco]

Where a firearm is made has little [or NO bearing} on my purchase; except
cheaply made junk from thirld world countries. The Croatian made SA guns
are head-and-tails, above some junk guns made here in the good ole' U.S.A.
I have the very first XD-[full size] .45 ACP ever to arrive in Bessemer, AL
for sale; with S/N US600xxx. This weapon certainly won't win any beauty
contest; but its a work-horse of a firearm. The Croatians took note of
every detail from Glock, SIG-SAUER, and H&K; and incorporated most of
those features into the XD, before ever coming too market with their product.

This is not about the quality of the products, it's about the company pretending to be something it is not. Look at the logo!

if you purchase the XD - you are
going too get 'bout $70 dollars worth of accessories [polymer holster,
polymer double magazine pouch, magazine loader, extra magazine,
cable lock, and hard case] at NO additional cost. And, right now-
they are priced right ($469.88 for 9m/m and .40 S&W) and ($499.88
for the .45 ACP. *Prices are subject too change without notice.

They used to cost half as much under a different brand name, and hardly anybody bought them. What could that possibly mean?

Which is NOT the case with the XD

It says MADE IN CROATIA on the side

They didn't have to do that, but they did

It is goofy to say that they are HIDING something that they state on the frame of their gun that they don't have to reveal.

They may not completely hide the fact, which appears to buy them much credibility in the eyes of some, evidently, but that's not the point. They are pretending to be something they are not for those who don't look at everything written on the frame. This company is NOT the historic Springfield Armory--it is merely named that for marketing purposes, and implies that its products are American-made firearms, which they are not. It's exceedingly simple--obviously we're not seeing eye-to-eye here. :banghead:

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

I still occasionally have to tell people that no, Glock is not made in "Australia"..

it isn't made where summer's in december? well, shrimp on the barby!

 

[Guillermo]

Okay Reaper, you are right.

The only way that I figured it out was because I was fortunate enough to have a teacher that was into the specific cryptology that they used to hide the country of origin.

Mrs Gillespie taught all of us the complicated code. Eventually were able to speak it as well as write it and read it.

What bad luck for SA that we were taught to read English or they could have gotten away with their deception.

Thank you Mrs Gillespie...you were a great 1st grade teacher.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

What bad luck for SA that we were taught to read English or they could have gotten away with their deception.

reaper never said there was any sort of deception on the part of SA. they simply, and cleverly, downplay the origins of their products.

i'm a big SA 1911 fan, and this issue doesn't bother me. however, my admiration for their products doesn't cause me to turn a blind eye to certain facts.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I had no idea their entire LINEUP was 100% imported.

Same as Legacy Arms, or EAA, or what have you.

That is a shocker to me. Especially the M1s.

i don't know if you're ready for another one, but...Browning imports all of their product line too...they're not made in Utah

 

[Quiet]

None of the non-custom shop pistols that Springfield Armory offers are made in the USA.

Springfield Armory 1911s come from Brazil and the XD/XDm come from Croatia.

Springfield Armory did not buy the XD/XDm series, they are only the sole US importer of it.

HS Produkt, the acutal manufacturer of the XD/XDm, markets & sells the XD series under it's original HS2000 brand name in other markets (Europe/Asia/Africa/South America).

When Springfield Armory became the sole US importer of the XD series, they had HS Produkt make a few exterior changes and then Springfield Armory raised the price on it to pay for the changes. The original MSRP for the HS2000 was $299.

 

[Kingofthehill]

Their fantastic guns and are very popular. Who gives a flying EFF where they are made? They have been great for me and TENS of THOUSANDS of other people.

Reaper and FullMetalJacket are some of the most anti brand X people i have ever seen on a forum. Its amazing really.

The gun is made in croatia, there is no hiding that. Springfield has a great marketing department, just like Kimber in the 1911 market. Just like Glock in the LEO market. You can't honestly fault any of those company's for finding a sales pitch that works.

as for the $250 HS2000... today's prices, they would not be $250 anymore... prices have gone up, even for your guy's "Perfect" glock's... Marketing, Product testing, shipping... all that add's up which results in current competitive pricing of the XD today.

you guys knocking the XD for their SLOGAN would be as if I started taking shots at Glock for their SLOGAN "Glock Perfection"... that is as False as it gets. Ive had misfires, ive seen plenty of pics of glock .40 kabooms and now the 4th gen's are having problems... Perfection? I think not.

JOe

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

take a pill, kingofthehill

i speak from personal experence, as i've owned all the popular polymers, including the xd, at one time or another. thus my preference for glock.

glad to hear you like your xd, but other's opinions are no more or less valid than yours.

 

[Kingofthehill]

They used to cost half as much under a different brand name, and hardly anybody bought them. What could that possibly mean?

Have you ever heard of a polymer gun called the Steyr M9? That gun is EASILY just as good, if not better then any Glock, XD, M&P, SR9,P250... Sadly when they were being imported at $350 nobody wanted them because their marketing sucked.... they are no longer being imported because of it.

Mine comes with me every time i go to the range (3-4x a week) and more often then not someone will be intrigued by it and i will of course let them shoot it. That gun is an incredible eye opener to most everyone who shoots it. From the lowest bore axis ive come across, to the takedown procedure, and the sights.. it blows people away.

I wish one of the larger company's that people trust would start importing them under whatever name they want. If it put them on the shelves, it would be a big plus to the shooting community.

As an owner of an HS2000, I am glad springfield picked up the importation of that gun. I know for a fact im not the only one.

JOe

 

[REAPER4206969]

Reaper and FullMetalJacket are some of the most anti brand X people i have ever seen on a forum. Its amazing really.

That is a blatant lie. You can not find one post of mine that is "anti brand X."

 

[REAPER4206969]

I wish one of the larger company's that people trust would start importing them under whatever name they want.

Caracal.