T/C Venture - the "Stevens Rifle" of the T/C Icon?

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Holy crap, it's only $428.15 new?? If so, Howa & Savage may be in big trouble!
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Not after I've seen the picture of the thing.

Looks like a 710 action design, with a better finish.

2-position safety: does it lock the bolt?
 
Yeah, not to mention that MOA guarantee, integral bases, & adjustable trigger of the Icon! I could live without the detachable mag, but some people will like it.
 
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Near as I can surmise, it's a push-feed:

All of the four working prototypes I examined have a push-feed bolt with the normal hook extractor and plunger ejector, but Ritz says they are working on a controlled-round-feed bolt. I’m guessing it will be similar to the Winchester controlled-round, push-feed bolt
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http://www.tcarms.com/articles/detail.php?a=7


Maybe the Venture doesn't have the aluminum bedding block of the Icon, in addition to the less-nice stock.
 
It appears to have the integral bases, but not the bolt lock.

Howa already makes a good push-feed rifle with a 3-position safety, and an adjustable trigger (same range as the T/C).

The integral bases are a big plus. I have never felt that scope bases were money well-spent.

However, this rifle doesn't blow away the Legacy-Howa or Weatherby-Howa guns. It does look like a very nice addition to the list of choices, though.
 
I would have to disagree. Seems to me that it does blow it away completely with the (a) 60-degree very smooth throw, (b) excellent fit/finish (if it's like the Icon), (c) BETTER adjustable trigger - the Howa/Vanguard still stinks after fully adjusting, (d) 5R Rifling, and (e) a *guarantee* of sub-1-MOA, which you can't get with Howa until you pay $775 for the Sub-MOA varmint, and (f) integral bases.

Match-Grade T/C Barrel with 5R Rifling increases shooting stability and reduces fouling. 5R rifling features non-symmetrical engraving for better bullet balance in flight, better bullet seal for more stable pressures shot to shot and reduced copper fouling eases bore cleaning.
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Now, of those 6 things, there are only 2 possibly arguable. One is the fit/finish - is it really better than the Howa/Vanguard - arguable and subjective to a degree, & I don't know for sure, but probably. The other is the adjustable trigger - sure it's conceivable that the Icon/Venture still has a bad trigger after full adjustment like the Howa/Vanguard, where the safety does not even work, but I seriously doubt it's that bad:

Adjustable trigger is preset to 3 to 3.5 lbs of pull, zero creep and overtravel. Factory tool is provided for additional adjustments.
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They'd have to try hard to make it as worthless as the Howa/Vanguard "adjustable trigger". :p
 
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My Vanguard Sporter trigger feels fine and I've used it to win a match. Fit and finish are impeccable, though I'd like to have polished blue on the barrel (which the Venture doesn't appear to have, either).

Can't speak for anyone else's guns, but I know about mine.

Non-locking bolt is a showstopper anyway, so it doesn't matter to me. I have pondered the Icon, though.
 
Looking at the picture I have to believe they are talking about a 3 shot group holding 1". Not that 1" 3 shot groups are bad but I have to believe that one brand of ammo out there will test at 1" or less making their claim true. It sounds great on paper but there is a lot of wiggle room with MOA or less claims.
 
Maybe so, but there's nevertheless *some* inherent value in the *guarantee*, however wiggly or vague - gives you leverage for a repair or replacement pretty easily in the event of a complete lemon.

Non-locking bolt is a showstopper anyway, so it doesn't matter to me.
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Ahhh, I see - yes, all else doesn't matter if that's a must-have. It's not for me. Why is it for you?
 
Hunting.

That's the only reason I'd get that rifle.

Thick, stiff brush gets hung up on jackets, boot laces, slings, and bolt handles. I sure don't need one more unnecessary point of failure.

I'm talking about hunting on foot, of course.

(Howa, Weatherby, Ruger, Winchester, and a host of others have locking safeties. There's just no reason to buy a gun without one, or to buy an aftermarket safety. Hell, on that list, Ruger and Winchester even have real bolt actions.:)
 
Yeah, but when I'm moving while hunting, the safety is usually off anyway, ready for snap shots. And if it's not - if I'm moving from point A to hunting spot B, I'm going to check everything as I settle in anyway, so I'll notice if bolt is unlocked - hmmm, I just don't see the need (yet).

Ruger and Winchester even have real bolt actions
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Hee hee, well, CRF and beautiful stocks and super accuracy are why the CZ550 has NO competition in their price range! But that range is a smidge above this $400-$450 range we're talking about, yet still below Winchester and Ruger, so it's out of both discussions really, if limiting to price point X or Y. Even a deluxe Vanguard is more than a nice CZ, and the CZ has better fit & finish. So there's a lot of variables. But you're right - it would be nice, I suppose, ideally, if T/C somehow made these rifles into a 3 position safety. CRF I can take or leave, however, with the kind of hunting I'd be doing with such a rifle.
 
P.S. Actually, we don't know for sure (do we?) that the T/C does NOT lock the bolt in its safe position. Or maybe, as you suggested, the Icon does and the Venture doesn't??
 
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Hee hee, well, CRF and beautiful stocks and super accuracy are why the CZ550 has NO competition in their price range!
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Excess weight is their only downside.

The new Model 70 Featherweight looks like it's some pretty significant competition, if it works like it looks. That's a real hunting rifle. Many over the years have figured it was THE hunting rifle, and I can't see a good reason to disagree.

Ruger just doesn't have a solid reputation for rifle accuracy. Not sure if that's fair, but it's their reputation for better or worse. OTOH they support some cartridges I like. Winchester still makes too many short/fat "magnum" chamberings. I don't get it; I thought they were pretty far removed from Winchester ammo.

Unfortunately, I don't want to pay for what I really want, and I don't want what I'd rather pay for.:)
 
Considering all of that...I'll keep my Stevens.
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I would, too! But then add an Icon to go with. Mind you, I personally ain't spending money on a gun with a black plastic stock, like the Venture** - I'm just discussing the market conditions.

The T/C Icon, OTOH - well, I just bought one off an ol boy here on THR. I think pretty highly of it just from the hearsay so far - time will tell.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=448350

**Unless I got a good enough price on it to justifying paying for a replacement stock.
 
**Unless I got a good enough price on it to justifying paying for a replacement stock.
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Yeah, sometimes you can get a good barreled action for less money if it's in a plastic stock, than if you order the same barreled action.

Your Icon should be a great rifle.

When you think about it, by the time you've scoped the gun with anything decent, what's a hundred more bucks so you don't have to look at a black plastic stock.:)
 
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