Taurus Millennium Pro owners?
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ribbonstone
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Was given a .40 Millennium Pro., made two range visits so far.
Good points: has worked perfectly though the 200round break in (3 boxes of PMC "Bronze" and one of WW Silvertips), accurate, not uncomfortable recoil.
Bad points: feels a bit top heavy, SA trigger pull feels "mushy".
Suspected Bad Points:
The loaded chamber indicator is a needless complication of a simple design...it does nothing worthwild and may become a proablem once it breaks (and I believe it will be a case of "once it breaks" rahter than "if it breaks").
Larger hands will find the trigger-to-grip distance at firing a bit short.
Kind of irlks me...it has a DA triger pull, but there isn't any good way to use it unless you have a missfire. If you get a round into the chamber, the trigger is set for SA...no way to dcock it, so it seems chamber-loaded-DA-pull is just not possible.
(OK...there is a way to do it, but it breaks one of the "unbreakable cardinal rules" of handgunning...so (1) I won't do it and (2) it would be better to not illustrate how it's done.)
Good points: has worked perfectly though the 200round break in (3 boxes of PMC "Bronze" and one of WW Silvertips), accurate, not uncomfortable recoil.
Bad points: feels a bit top heavy, SA trigger pull feels "mushy".
Suspected Bad Points:
The loaded chamber indicator is a needless complication of a simple design...it does nothing worthwild and may become a proablem once it breaks (and I believe it will be a case of "once it breaks" rahter than "if it breaks").
Larger hands will find the trigger-to-grip distance at firing a bit short.
Kind of irlks me...it has a DA triger pull, but there isn't any good way to use it unless you have a missfire. If you get a round into the chamber, the trigger is set for SA...no way to dcock it, so it seems chamber-loaded-DA-pull is just not possible.
(OK...there is a way to do it, but it breaks one of the "unbreakable cardinal rules" of handgunning...so (1) I won't do it and (2) it would be better to not illustrate how it's done.)
KONY
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No need to break any rules ... just buy a DAO version.
AnthonyRSS
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A chance to use a pic.
And to add something useful, I just bought an earlier Millenium and had to send it back to Taurus for the cracked frame. I will let you know how their service goes.
Anthony
And to add something useful, I just bought an earlier Millenium and had to send it back to Taurus for the cracked frame. I will let you know how their service goes.
Anthony
weregunner
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Have a PT111 Mil/pro and it has over 4500 rounds through it without a bobble. Since most of the new designs (Glock,XD,WaltherP99 etc.) have similar actions or firing designs and are safe to carry with a round in the chamber.For those who have Taurus pistols or revolvers, go on over to www.unitedforums.com and check out the Taurus Forum. Just another place and haven for Taurus owners.
ribbonstone
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Kony:
Would have if I were buying it...but this one was a gift, and it's going to have to stay for that reason alone. Have other guns I can carry for "real", this one will be a safe queen.
Would have if I were buying it...but this one was a gift, and it's going to have to stay for that reason alone. Have other guns I can carry for "real", this one will be a safe queen.
XDKingslayer
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If you have a Glock in your hand and pull the trigger it goes bang. Same with the XD. The MilPro will not do that unless the manual safety is deactivated. Plus, it still has the internal drop safety similiar to the XD.
There is no safety difference between carrying a MilPro with one in the chamber and the safety on, than carrying a 1911 cocked and locked.
There is no safety difference between carrying a MilPro with one in the chamber and the safety on, than carrying a 1911 cocked and locked.
XDKingslayer
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There was no reason to mention the XD grip safety. If you hold it in your hand and pull the trigger, it goes bang. Grip safety or no grip safety.
XDKingslayer
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Depends.
I still see the trigger getting caught and an XD firing due to user error. I see this happening during holstering. You're probably going to have a grip on pistol with the backstrap safety pushed in. It takes forethought to actually holster an XD and NOT do that. Are you going to have that forethought in a bad situation?
Which pretty much seems to strengthen the fact that a MilPro with it's safety on is safer than the Glock or the XD.
Then again, if a shooter can't holster an XD without the forethought of the backstrap safety then that shooter is probably enough of a bonehead to forget to engage the manual safety on a MilPro...
Make something idiot proof and they'll make a better idiot.
I still see the trigger getting caught and an XD firing due to user error. I see this happening during holstering. You're probably going to have a grip on pistol with the backstrap safety pushed in. It takes forethought to actually holster an XD and NOT do that. Are you going to have that forethought in a bad situation?
Which pretty much seems to strengthen the fact that a MilPro with it's safety on is safer than the Glock or the XD.
Then again, if a shooter can't holster an XD without the forethought of the backstrap safety then that shooter is probably enough of a bonehead to forget to engage the manual safety on a MilPro...
Make something idiot proof and they'll make a better idiot.
SSN Vet
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I have a DAO PT-111, and have carried it daily, Mexican w/ a clip-draw for 9 months
Bing Bing Bing Bing !!!!!!! The winner of the argument!
Now THAT'S funny....
of course, with my background.....we called it Sailor-proof!
Bing Bing Bing Bing !!!!!!! The winner of the argument!
Now THAT'S funny....
of course, with my background.....we called it Sailor-proof!
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decisions, decisions
I went to pick up my pt-145 today but had to wait bcuz I had to get a purchase permit and that office is closed till the 2nd (my CPL gets approved on the 9th, God willing). anyways while there holding my perty lil pistola I looked at a pt-140 that was also there. I got to thinkin....why not get the .40 rather than the .45??? I have an XD40 service and love it. so it came to me, why not the mil pro in the same caliber as my XD...?
so my question to u fine folks is...what would you do? I know a lot of it boils down to personal preference, but still what are some plus & minuses?
I went to pick up my pt-145 today but had to wait bcuz I had to get a purchase permit and that office is closed till the 2nd (my CPL gets approved on the 9th, God willing). anyways while there holding my perty lil pistola I looked at a pt-140 that was also there. I got to thinkin....why not get the .40 rather than the .45??? I have an XD40 service and love it. so it came to me, why not the mil pro in the same caliber as my XD...?
so my question to u fine folks is...what would you do? I know a lot of it boils down to personal preference, but still what are some plus & minuses?
I picked up a used PT111 MilPro a few months back. It was an impulse buy. I looked in the case and said to myself "what the heck is that?" and the second I held it I was in love. The gun just felt right. It has some holster wear and was priced at just a hair over $200 so I bought it without knowing much more. When I followed up on the Net I was at first shocked at the earlier problems with the gun but was immediately relieved when I found out that all problems had been corrected with the MilPro version.
The first time to the range the gun performed flawlessly with Winchester Wally World White Box and a quick load of my defense round, Federal Hydra Shoks. While 9mm is usually my sporting round with .40 S&W or .45 my defense round, the smooth DA only trigger, surprising accuracy, low recoil and quick follow-up moved this up to being my car gun (Georgia Peaceable Journey Statute). When I soon have my CCL the MilPro will go up against a HK USP Compact .40 for carry gun, and the MilPro may well get the nod. The safety and DA only trigger are two features that make the piece especially attractive. Accuracy seems to increase with more rapid extended fire. The size, accuracy, quick follow-up and low recoil make this a tough gun to beat. Overall, this is one of the best guns going, and when you consider value it is almost unbeatable.
Knowing what I know of Taurus from having one of the first PT92s produced years ago, and this little gun, the other guns in my lineup (which include Walther, Sig, Beretta, HK, Steyr) are in very good company. One of my first purchases of 07 will be a MilPro in .45 if I can find one without the rail, DA only, and all black.
To some the name Taurus carries a certain stigma. Forget about it.
The first time to the range the gun performed flawlessly with Winchester Wally World White Box and a quick load of my defense round, Federal Hydra Shoks. While 9mm is usually my sporting round with .40 S&W or .45 my defense round, the smooth DA only trigger, surprising accuracy, low recoil and quick follow-up moved this up to being my car gun (Georgia Peaceable Journey Statute). When I soon have my CCL the MilPro will go up against a HK USP Compact .40 for carry gun, and the MilPro may well get the nod. The safety and DA only trigger are two features that make the piece especially attractive. Accuracy seems to increase with more rapid extended fire. The size, accuracy, quick follow-up and low recoil make this a tough gun to beat. Overall, this is one of the best guns going, and when you consider value it is almost unbeatable.
Knowing what I know of Taurus from having one of the first PT92s produced years ago, and this little gun, the other guns in my lineup (which include Walther, Sig, Beretta, HK, Steyr) are in very good company. One of my first purchases of 07 will be a MilPro in .45 if I can find one without the rail, DA only, and all black.
To some the name Taurus carries a certain stigma. Forget about it.
800 rounds through my DAO PT-111 Pro in 9mm without a single failure. Feeds everything reliably, and very accurate for a gun its size. I trust my life with it, and believe me for me to trust a Taurus as a SD pistol it had to really blow me away. Great little gun, that's really got no competition when you consider the features and price.
I love it.
I love it.
KaliS-Pugilist
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2 Questions
alright I got my 3rd gen. mil pro PT-145SS and so far I'm in love with it, even though I have yet to take it out for the first "test drive" at the range (plan to run about 200 rounds this weekend). so far I have 2 questions about ammo and a holster.
1) what do you suggest for a CCW round for this pistol? so far I'm looking at either -HST Federal Premium law enforcement 230gr. $28 for a pack of 50
-Winchester Ranger law enforcement $25 for 50
~any other suggestions are welcome and how is the price for that ammo?
2) I'm looking at getting a leather clip on holster to wear IWB. so far I got my eye on a don humme holster that will run $35. I forget the model number but to is molded with no thumb break. runs like $27 on their site. any suggestions there on price and other holsters is more than welcome.
***i'll give a range report after I shoot the initial run. I'm hoping this baby lives up to all the positive hype....
alright I got my 3rd gen. mil pro PT-145SS and so far I'm in love with it, even though I have yet to take it out for the first "test drive" at the range (plan to run about 200 rounds this weekend). so far I have 2 questions about ammo and a holster.
1) what do you suggest for a CCW round for this pistol? so far I'm looking at either -HST Federal Premium law enforcement 230gr. $28 for a pack of 50
-Winchester Ranger law enforcement $25 for 50
~any other suggestions are welcome and how is the price for that ammo?
2) I'm looking at getting a leather clip on holster to wear IWB. so far I got my eye on a don humme holster that will run $35. I forget the model number but to is molded with no thumb break. runs like $27 on their site. any suggestions there on price and other holsters is more than welcome.
***i'll give a range report after I shoot the initial run. I'm hoping this baby lives up to all the positive hype....
KaliS-Pugilist
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another + for the millennium PT145Pro
ok, i couldnt wait till the weekend and went out to the range today. i just got back and the PT145Pro shot GREAT!!! i did 100 rounds of Magtech 230gr. ammo and there were no FTF, FTE, or light primer strikes. whenever i pulled the trigger this lil hand cannon went BANG. recoil on the PT145Pro is easy to manage as others have stated and my hand didnt feel tired from shooting at all. i noticed that a couple times when i put a full magazine in after slide lock that the slide released own its on, the gun ran fine though and i didnt chalk it up to a problem (only happened 2x).
i spoke to one of the employees there about the gun having light primer stikes before on WWB and he stated that the mil pros that came before used to have that problem, but that those they have sold lately have been great and he was saying that they expect for the price to increase on the entire line over the next year or so. he also showed me a nice lil trick to test a pistols primer strikes for weakness. basically take a pencil and and drop the eraser end down the barrel of your gun (unloaded gun of course). hold the gun with the barrel pointed towards the ceiling and pull the trigger, the strike should be strong enough to make the pencil pop out of the barrel pretty high and out of the barrel completely. if you dont get that then you likely have a weak primer.
all in all im very satisfied thus far with this gun. i still want to put about 200 more rounds through it and about 100 rounds of CCW ammo before i say its totally broken in for me. but as far as reliability goes, its 100% at this early stage. oh yeah...field stripping is very easy, almost as easy as my XD (just one more step). this is a simple gun and a great addition to have.
ok, i couldnt wait till the weekend and went out to the range today. i just got back and the PT145Pro shot GREAT!!! i did 100 rounds of Magtech 230gr. ammo and there were no FTF, FTE, or light primer strikes. whenever i pulled the trigger this lil hand cannon went BANG. recoil on the PT145Pro is easy to manage as others have stated and my hand didnt feel tired from shooting at all. i noticed that a couple times when i put a full magazine in after slide lock that the slide released own its on, the gun ran fine though and i didnt chalk it up to a problem (only happened 2x).
i spoke to one of the employees there about the gun having light primer stikes before on WWB and he stated that the mil pros that came before used to have that problem, but that those they have sold lately have been great and he was saying that they expect for the price to increase on the entire line over the next year or so. he also showed me a nice lil trick to test a pistols primer strikes for weakness. basically take a pencil and and drop the eraser end down the barrel of your gun (unloaded gun of course). hold the gun with the barrel pointed towards the ceiling and pull the trigger, the strike should be strong enough to make the pencil pop out of the barrel pretty high and out of the barrel completely. if you dont get that then you likely have a weak primer.
all in all im very satisfied thus far with this gun. i still want to put about 200 more rounds through it and about 100 rounds of CCW ammo before i say its totally broken in for me. but as far as reliability goes, its 100% at this early stage. oh yeah...field stripping is very easy, almost as easy as my XD (just one more step). this is a simple gun and a great addition to have.
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Mil Pro PT145
I just ordered a Mil Pro PT145 today from Gander Mountain. I have some gift cards from Crhistams, and some extra cash so... Anyway, I like the design of the gun and it looks like it'll be a great carry weapon. My house gun is a Ruger P90 and I like having two guns of the same caliber. Gun should be in in a week or two.
Can the straight 8 sights be replaced with a three dot design?
Todd
I just ordered a Mil Pro PT145 today from Gander Mountain. I have some gift cards from Crhistams, and some extra cash so... Anyway, I like the design of the gun and it looks like it'll be a great carry weapon. My house gun is a Ruger P90 and I like having two guns of the same caliber. Gun should be in in a week or two.
Can the straight 8 sights be replaced with a three dot design?
Todd
03Shadowbob
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KaliS
I have a Don Hume IWB holster without thumb break and it is awesome. The model I have was @27 also though I can't remember the model number. Here are 2 pics in regards to concealability.
Todd, the sights can't be replaced yet that I know of. They take some getting used to but here's a thread of how you should be aiming with them. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242415
I have a Don Hume IWB holster without thumb break and it is awesome. The model I have was @27 also though I can't remember the model number. Here are 2 pics in regards to concealability.
Todd, the sights can't be replaced yet that I know of. They take some getting used to but here's a thread of how you should be aiming with them. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242415
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KaliS-Pugilist
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thanks for the pics shawdowbob. i actually ordered that holster (H715-M W.C.) from gunnersalley but they emailed me today and said that it isnt in stock, and don hume wont have any for about 3 to 4 weeks. luckily the gunshop that i got my pt145pro had one in, so i will likely go get it from there (its about 10 more though ). i got to have it, when i tested it there it was NICE and i didnt buy it then because i wasnt sold on it just yet, but now...I WANT IT!!! im a big guy and it wears very well, makes the pt145pro just dissapear into my fat...lol
thanks for the link to on the sights....that is right on time. seems like we had the same problem with the shooting low up and down at about 7 yards.
). i got to have it, when i tested it there it was NICE and i didnt buy it then because i wasnt sold on it just yet, but now...I WANT IT!!! im a big guy and it wears very well, makes the pt145pro just dissapear into my fat...lolthanks for the link to on the sights....that is right on time. seems like we had the same problem with the shooting low up and down at about 7 yards.
SA/DA P145Pro
I had to get in on this thread, long time reader and finally had to register on this thread. Anyways, I love this gun, I ran out and bought it after reading a review on how the military was testing it. Anyways I get to the store and all they had was the SA/DA no DAO's with the MilPro. Had to have it anyways. It started to really bug me that the striker was cocked and no decock, I do not want to carry a gun with the safety on in a critical situation, I just dont know how I will perfrom in a critical situation even with tons of practice. Anyways carrying an SA/DA gun cocked is not an option, so I started playing with the gun and found you can pull the slide back 1/2 inch squeez the trigger (always in a safe direction) and ride the striker forward. Not sure what you guys will think of this. To me it is no different that decocking a SA revolver except it is safer. Let me explain. With the slide back .5 inch you have the striker spring compressed and held by the slide so the striker cannot move, you also have the firing pin block engaged because the slide has to be all the way forward for the trigger to deactivate the firing pin block. I might get flamed for this but I have done this hundreds of times on the range to practice full pull first shots, this also lets me carry the gun decocked safety off. To my knowledge there is no MilPro PT145 anymore in DAO only. Please correct me if this exist. I have noticed that the striking force is different between SA and DA and you can try this with a common plastic ball point pen in the barrel pointed up. I am extremely curious how my gun compares in SA mode to the striker force of the DAO. The only way I can account for this different is that in SA the strikker is approx 1/8 of an inch farther back on the latch then where it is released with the second strike feature. Regardless it has never not gone bang. Anyways there is my first post, flame suit on.
Dave
I had to get in on this thread, long time reader and finally had to register on this thread. Anyways, I love this gun, I ran out and bought it after reading a review on how the military was testing it. Anyways I get to the store and all they had was the SA/DA no DAO's with the MilPro. Had to have it anyways. It started to really bug me that the striker was cocked and no decock, I do not want to carry a gun with the safety on in a critical situation, I just dont know how I will perfrom in a critical situation even with tons of practice. Anyways carrying an SA/DA gun cocked is not an option, so I started playing with the gun and found you can pull the slide back 1/2 inch squeez the trigger (always in a safe direction) and ride the striker forward. Not sure what you guys will think of this. To me it is no different that decocking a SA revolver except it is safer. Let me explain. With the slide back .5 inch you have the striker spring compressed and held by the slide so the striker cannot move, you also have the firing pin block engaged because the slide has to be all the way forward for the trigger to deactivate the firing pin block. I might get flamed for this but I have done this hundreds of times on the range to practice full pull first shots, this also lets me carry the gun decocked safety off. To my knowledge there is no MilPro PT145 anymore in DAO only. Please correct me if this exist. I have noticed that the striking force is different between SA and DA and you can try this with a common plastic ball point pen in the barrel pointed up. I am extremely curious how my gun compares in SA mode to the striker force of the DAO. The only way I can account for this different is that in SA the strikker is approx 1/8 of an inch farther back on the latch then where it is released with the second strike feature. Regardless it has never not gone bang. Anyways there is my first post, flame suit on.
Dave
i had the dao version of the pt111 mil pro. i just traded it in for a glock 19. i was looking for a range/idpa gun and the loooong trigger pull just wasn't making my shooting any better. i liked the gun and used it for concealed carry until i got my mustang. so, now, i just don't have any use for it and traded it in.
KaliS-Pugilist
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i still don't get it about the long trigger pull, whether SA/DA or DAO. if you are using the trigger reset method of shooting then it doesnt really matter after your first shot anyways. the PT145PRO has a very short trigger reset, even shorter than my XD which i love. so maybe you should try doing the trigger reset and not letting your finger travel all the way back, it makes a world of difference when you do this...trust me. trigger reset is how i was taught to shoot and i do it with every semi-auto that i shoot. give it a try.
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