Texans beware of Time Warner Cable. Anti-Guns

[ms6852]

I normally don't handle bills at home or problems with cable my wife does as she is the tech guru. But I had to take a couple of cable boxes that were not working properly. As I started to walk in the door I noticed a big old 30.06 sign in the front door stating we can not trespass the building even if we had conceal carry permits.

Never new time warner was anti gun. Now I am thinking about direct TV.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Now I am thinking about direct TV.

How far are you willing to take your boycott of "anti-gun" businesses? 99% of major retail chains prohibit their employess from carrying firearms for self-protection at work. Isn't that being "anti-gun"? Are we going to boycott only those business that restrict us from carrying our own guns, but it is OK that they restrict others? Or are we going to boycott any business that restricts anyone from carrying a firearm for self-protection?

 

[X-JaVeN-X]

How far are you willing to take your boycott of "anti-gun" businesses? 99% of major retail chains prohibit their employess from carrying firearms for self-protection at work. Isn't that being "anti-gun"? Are we going to boycott only those business that restrict us from carrying our own guns, but it is OK that they restrict others? Or are we going to boycott any business that restricts anyone from carrying a firearm for self-protection?

Taking a stand somewhere is better than taking a stand nowhere...everybody has their own line in the sand...

 

[GJSchulze]

I bet most of those business are anti-liability and not so much anti-gun.

 

[pockets]

I always find it interesting that we demand everyone respect our rights, but damn them for exercising their own rights.
As was said....this is more of a business liability issue than it is an anti-gun issue.

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[Walkalong]

I noticed a big old 30.06 sign in the front door stating we can not trespass the building even if we had conceal carry permits.

Since the new laws here, there is a no guns sign on every door of every building of the business where I work. They are not anti gun per say, and do not contribute to anti causes, so what do I care, they are only trying to limit liability.

Does TW actively support anti gun groups or legislation? If not, I would not be overly concerned.

 

[HexHead]

How often do you go there? Once every couple of years? Grow up.

 

[lobo9er]

they are only trying to limit liability.

Yep but... Its this attitude that will pave the way for more ant attitudes. They can limit their liability with out my dollar as much as I can help it.

 

[zenshootist]

Texas law says the sign prohibiting firearms must be three feet or so high - I don't recall all the particulars from my CHL class but there are requirements for that sign to be legal ...

 

[ugaarguy]

I always find it interesting that we demand everyone respect our rights, but damn them for exercising their own rights.
As was said....this is more of a business liability issue than it is an anti-gun issue.

Quite the opposite, it's us exercising our freedom to do business with whom we wish. The business liability issue is a false issue made up by the insurance companies.

 

[W L Johnson]

I bet most of those business are anti-liability and not so much anti-gun.

To me that means the lawyers are in charge of everything now.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Texas law says the sign prohibiting firearms must be three feet or so high - I don't recall all the particulars from my CHL class but there are requirements for that sign to be legal

LOL, if you don't know the particulars, then don't state particulars. 30.06 signs are NOT required to be 3 feet tall. Great googly moogly.

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If you want to make a stand with Time Warner where it won't make a hill of beans difference, go right ahead. They don't know who you are and really don't care. That is the nature of big business. Know that Direct TV doesn't allow their employees to carry guns and so they are also anti-gun. So is AT&T, Verizon, and all the other major carries. What are you going to do? Will you give up TV, telephone, and internet?

Just curious as to how one can make a true stand on the issue and still retain the moral high ground by not compromising oneself in claiming victory when in reality you are just changing the nefarious company to which you are giving your business.

 

[Midwest]

Never new time warner was anti gun. Now I am thinking about direct TV.

Anti-gun or not, you are better off going with Direct TV.

 

[RussellC]

I bet most of those business are anti-liability and not so much anti-gun.

I know some fellow attorneys who say they are working on a cause of action against such businesses based on injuries sustained to carry individuals from gun wielding criminals in instances where they themselves were banned from carrying in said business! In other words, they would not have been injured/killed had they been allowed to carry in said business. I guess if you are going to not allow people who are licensed to carry to carry in your business, you better make damn sure no one carries into your business illegally....funny how liability can work!

Russellc

 

[Tcruse]

I think that would be good to avoid TW if possible, however, many locations have only one source for Internet access, so Dish/Direct TV is not suitable replacement.
I think that we need to get the story across that the liability is greater when you remove the right of self defense from your employees and customers. Certainly, some good case law will help. We also need to get that story out. Maybe, if Sandy Hook school would be held accountable/liable for the deaths since they had a "No Gun Zone" and therefore were responsible for preventing the shootings. If the school would have to pay about $5M damages to each family, things would change quickly

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Texas law says the sign prohibiting firearms must be three feet or so high - I don't recall all the particulars from my CHL class but there are requirements for that sign to be legal ...

3 Feet? Not quite.

The sign must contain the exact verbage of the requirements in English and Spanish, the letters must be block text, 1 inch in height and the sign must be of contrasting colors and displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

They could if they wanted make the sign 1.5 inches tall and really long.

 

[kendak]

if the power company I work for finds a round of ammo or firearm on their property [your vehicle or theirs] it's instant termination ...don't think any large company will allow weapons other than security personal

 

[Teachu2]

1) Concealed is concealed.
2) What if they find out? They ask you to leave, and you comply.
3) Your rights don't trump their rights on their property.
4) You don't need cable or a dish, because you can't carry where your TV was made so you'll have to get rid of it.....

 

[GJSchulze]

I know that I said I thought that it was mostly to limit liability, but there's another reason as well. Remember the phrase "going postal?" I suspect that retail businesses where there are customers are more worried about liability of injuring a customer. A business of people in offices is probably more worried about someone going postal. It's far less likely that someone would try to rob such a place and given how management treats employees these days, they are worried about getting shot. Consider that in large companies terminated people get walked out by security because the company is worried about the person causing damage or at least a screaming fit.

 

[MrMarty51]

Heck Man, i`m trying to figure out how a person would carry a 30-06 concealed in the first place.
I do`nt have a concealable 30-06 so being the sign says 30-06, it must then mean that I can carry My .380, right ???

 

[tyeo098]

1) Concealed is concealed.
2) What if they find out? They ask you to leave, and you comply.

In Texas 30.06 signs carry force of law.

You will be arrested.

 

[Tcruse]

We recently got a law in Texas to protect guns in your vehicle when in an employee parking lot. There are some exceptions, but generally no license or permit is required.
We also some employers that encourage CHL holders to carry on the job, usually not real public about it.

 

[CB900F]

Fella's;

Not being from Texas I don't really have a dog in this fight. However, a thought struck me: If, by their action, you may not carry a legally owned firearm into their business, are they willing to have you or your estate sue them should you become the victim of street violence between your vehicle (provided it's legal to leave your gun in the vehicle) and their door? In other words make their lawyers pucker up.

900F

 

[Double Naught Spy]

We also some employers that encourage CHL holders to carry on the job, usually not real public about it.

Such employers are none of the major corporations and usually have extremely small workforces. There are employers in a lot of states who encourage their employees to carry at work, but again, not many and virtually none outside of the firearms and related industries.

Not being from Texas I don't really have a dog in this fight. However, a thought struck me: If, by their action, you may not carry a legally owned firearm into their business, are they willing to have you or your estate sue them should you become the victim of street violence between your vehicle (provided it's legal to leave your gun in the vehicle) and their door? In other words make their lawyers pucker up.

If you are the victim of street violence, the business is not responsible for you. Generally speaking, businesses are not responsible for illegal acts committed by people in their businesses who are not their employees.

Beyond that, you cannot prove that being armed would have precluded you from being a victim, not that it would matter because the business is not responsible for your safety beyond reasonable aspects within their control. So they are not responsible for you if armed robbers enter and they are not responsible for you if a plane crashes into the building while you are inside.

 

[Bluelight]

Companies will prohibit carry on the job if their representatives must do business where federal law prohibits carry. Schools and federal facilities would be examples. The company owners or officials are not necessarily anti gun.