The anti's never give up

[Mark_Mark]

Therefore we need to keep financially supporting the SAF and the other groups so they will have the ability to keep filing lawsuits.

They are getting a $100 money order from me in T-minus 3 days

 

[Riomouse911]

That may be the goal, among some antigunners, but on the whole the smart ones know that it just isn't achievable, in the United States. (Heck, it wasn't even achievable in Australia.) There are just too many guns, and too much resistance to the idea of giving them up. And ammunition is even harder to regulate than the guns themselves.

It is their goal. Thats why they proudly wear the label anti-gun.

If you think that the true believers aren’t playing the long game, with the ultimate result being our total disarmament and the banning of all civilian owned or possessed firearms, then you really are just kidding yourself.

Sad, but true.

Stay safe.

 

[Mark_Mark]

It is their goal. Thats why they proudly wear the label anti-gun.

If you think that the true believers aren’t playing the long game, with the ultimate result being our total disarmament and the banning of all civilian owned or possessed firearms, then you really are just kidding yourself.

Sad, but true.

Stay safe.

I’m not worrying about us giving up our guns.. that would literally be civil war. But, the young generation might! <<< that’s my worry

 

[old lady new shooter]

Criminal justice and crime prevention is largely a joke now in the jurisdictions that need it the most. If it weren't, they wouldn't be having all the crime.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Most of the stuff that’s being focused on these days – the open/non-existent border, gender/transgender hysteria, the Ukraine uproar, the destruction of the country’s energy supply, the threat to the world’s food supply, the climate hysteria, the Covid response, gun control, etc., etc., etc. -- isn’t even for the namesake reasons that they claim. The real people behind the scenes who are driving this stuff could not care less about those issues. Those issues are INTENTIONAL distractions for the gullible, and the more damage they do, the more disruption, distraction, and controversy they cause, the better for those who are orchestrating it and profiting from it. Those issues and events are shiny objects to keep the little people occupied while those driving it redistribute global wealth, especially US and European wealth, and enable themselves to grab a massive chunk of it, gaining generational wealth and power.

So, yeah… while they’re doing this, far too many among us will worry about how much tax they might put on a bullet. Or whether or not Donald Trump’s tweets were too mean. Or whether or not the Feds are creating a list of gun owners. Or whether or not you “recycle” your trash (which often means shipping it to India to be burned to the open atmosphere). Distractions. While everyone else’s futures and fortunes are being robbed and transferred to a hand full of elites.

They do not need to take away guns to control the people. What has been proven out in Canada and much of Western Europe can happen here without much more than a whimper.

Not only on gun control, but on anything they can think of, the m.o. is to create a situation that either they call a crisis, or really is a crisis, prompting citizens to demand a solution, which then enables them to enact laws to further control the populace. So it's logical that they get rid of bail requirements, never prosecute gun crimes, and find excuses to let violent criminals off... they know this will result in crime spiralling out of control, citizens will demand the government "do something", and the something turns out to be banning guns. Don't be suckered into this.

 

[AlexanderA]

By and large, they don't hate guns.
They hate folks that they don't like, trust or control having guns.

That exactly coincides with my belief, which I've stated here before, that guns are a "zero sum game." That is, you (and your group) are stronger if you are armed, but your opponents are not. A lot of what passes for gun control is really about disarming your enemies. But it really depends on what group is in charge. I can see a populist groundswell trying to disarm the elite, rather than the other way around.

 

[old lady new shooter]

They are getting a $100 money order from me in T-minus 3 days

 

[JohnKSa]

A lot of what passes for gun control is really about disarming your enemies.

There are only two fundamental reasons to disarm someone.

1. They are incompetent/irresponsible.
2. They are currently an enemy or are expected to become an enemy.

This is why it's so troubling when a government by the people, of the people and for the people tries to disarm the law-abiding populace.

 

[kidneyboy]

 

[Walkalong]

There are only two fundamental reasons to disarm someone.

1. They are incompetent/irresponsible.
2. They are currently an enemy or are expected to become an enemy.

This is why it's so troubling when a government by the people, of the people and for the people tries to disarm the law-abiding populace.

Yep, and control, disarming the peasants has always been about control, since the time of swords and bows.

 

[P89DCSS]

I've always thought choking off ammo will become a gun-ban strategy. I've been hoarding ammo since 2013 after Obama won a second term. When ISO added credit card codes to track ammo purchases my fears were realized. It's a miracle Trump won and changed the tilt of the SCOTUS. If Hillary had won the 2A would be crushed by now.

 

[AlexanderA]

Yep, and control, disarming the peasants has always been about control, since the time of swords and bows.

I'm worried about the "peasants" coming around to disarm me! This thing cuts both ways.

 

[kwguy]

I'm worried about the "peasants" coming around to disarm me! This thing cuts both ways.

That’s the good thing about parity. It assures no one entity has oppressive leverage over another. The fact that it’s “zero sum” is a good thing. It keeps each other in check.

 

[AlexanderA]

That’s the good thing about parity. It assures no one entity has oppressive leverage over another. The fact that it’s “zero sum” is a good thing. It keeps each other in check.

That's the view from a "10,000 foot altitude." In other words, it sounds good in theory. However, for those of us on the ground, we unavoidably find ourselves on one side, or the other. And woe unto anyone who ends up on the wrong side.

 

[rust collector]

It doesn't have to be one side versus the other. That's what our foes want, but the politics of division works only if we buy what they are selling. I don't.

Where does this sentiment originate? Largely from victims, their relatives, friends, empathetic types and news media. The sense is that something must be done to reduce the violence, and the easiest thing for politicians to promise and to try is to restrict firearms types, use, financing, advertising and education. The politicians try to placate by blaming the tool rather than the person to whom the laws meant nothing. It's easier to blame a thing, and to gloss over our society's failure to deal effectively with mental health, poverty, drugs, gangs and other elements that contribute to the violence. Preying on gun owners distracts from all these other issues that fester especially where humans are concentrated, so the politician never has to answer for these things.

We are all humans and have more in common than some like to admit. Things are not likely to change quickly, but we must keep resisting these cynical folks who by their division and diversionary tactics ensure that the true issues are not effectively addressed.

 

[Ignition Override]

Even a former Navy pilot (now with the Navy Personnel Center) living on my street surprised me.

He was very new, so I drew him a map of the many jogging trails at Shelby Farms; he suggested coming by sometime for a beer.

But...soon afterwards when I stopped my car on the street, and told him about the AKM and VZ-58 I shoot at the nearby private gun club, he vaguely told me something such as he "doesn't care for them". The atmosphere "cooled" but was cordial. Quiet guy.
He seems a bit withdrawn when I drive past his house (has two kids), so who knows what happened years ago...or maybe he's from an indoctrinated area of another state.

 

[Walkalong]

I'm worried about the "peasants" coming around to disarm me! This thing cuts both ways.

That's just silly, unless you mean you don't want to be disarmed because you fear other people, which I agree with, bad guys won't go away if guns are taken from law abiding citizens.

You continue to sound like an anti in every one of these threads. Like I posted earlier, unless one is in denial or just isn't paying attention, they know the antis want to completely disarm you, so if you are worried about other peasants, then you should be worried about the antis and their end game.

 

[kwguy]

That's the view from a "10,000 foot altitude." In other words, it sounds good in theory. However, for those of us on the ground, we unavoidably find ourselves on one side, or the other. And woe unto anyone who ends up on the wrong side.

Nope. That’s the dirty, nasty reality, as personally observed from the ground view. That hasn’t been a theory since humans learned to wield weapons. It doesn’t matter what “side” one may be on. Sides don’t even matter at all, as there are so many silly “sides” to begin with. If your potential enemies have weapons and the means to project violence, and you don’t, and they decide they want to be your enemy, then good luck. If you also have the means to project violence upon them, then you have a better chance of not being destroyed, oppressed, or killed.

It’s pretty basic, and it’s way beyond theoretical.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

 

[JTHunter]

I'm worried about the "peasants" coming around to disarm me! This thing cuts both ways.

It won't be the "peasants" that you should worry about. It is the roving packs of "wolves, jackals, and hyenas" (all 2-legged) that should concern you. There will come a time in the near future when, because of the lack of appropriate enforcement, those "packs" will stretch out from their urban sewers to attack what and where they can. While I have never watched any of the "Purge" movies, that scenario may be rather prophetic.

 

[JTHunter]

Even a former Navy pilot (now with the Navy Personnel Center) living on my street surprised me.

He was very new, so I drew him a map of the many jogging trails at Shelby Farms; he suggested coming by sometime for a beer.

But...soon afterwards when I stopped my car on the street, and told him about the AKM and VZ-58 I shoot at the nearby private gun club, he vaguely told me something such as he "doesn't care for them". The atmosphere "cooled" but was cordial. Quiet guy.
He seems a bit withdrawn when I drive past his house (has two kids), so who knows what happened years ago...or maybe he's from an indoctrinated area of another state.

Look at that one IL-ANNOY senator, Tammy Duckworth(less), a former GI. As both a member of the military and the Senate, she has taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution. The fact that she is actively working to overturn at least part of the Constitution leads me to believe that she is, at best, a liar and a fraud. Or that she is a flat out traitor and should be treated as such.
Perhaps it is time for a class action lawsuit to be directed squarely at these politicians for their fraud/treachery and reduce them to poverty and show them that they DO have a "financial incentive" to support the entire Bill of Rights.

 

[Ignition Override]

JTHunter:
Yes. Exactly!

 

[Mark_Mark]

It doesn't have to be one side versus the other. That's what our foes want, but the politics of division works only if we buy what they are selling. I don't.

Where does this sentiment originate? Largely from victims, their relatives, friends, empathetic types and news media. The sense is that something must be done to reduce the violence, and the easiest thing for politicians to promise and to try is to restrict firearms types, use, financing, advertising and education. The politicians try to placate by blaming the tool rather than the person to whom the laws meant nothing. It's easier to blame a thing, and to gloss over our society's failure to deal effectively with mental health, poverty, drugs, gangs and other elements that contribute to the violence. Preying on gun owners distracts from all these other issues that fester especially where humans are concentrated, so the politician never has to answer for these things.

We are all humans and have more in common than some like to admit. Things are not likely to change quickly, but we must keep resisting these cynical folks who by their division and diversionary tactics ensure that the true issues are not effectively addressed.

I like your optimism! but that ship has sailed.

As a person who lives and breath in a extremely one sided state (Seattle WA), there is no surrender on taking our constitutional rights from these people. Not just the 2nd.. but the 1st, 4th, 5th all of it.

with all respect, this is a battle that we cannot try to compromise with. I feel the next decade will determine the fate if our country. Draw a line in the sand!

 

[AlexanderA]

It won't be the "peasants" that you should worry about. It is the roving packs of "wolves, jackals, and hyenas" (all 2-legged) that should concern you. There will come a time in the near future when, because of the lack of appropriate enforcement, those "packs" will stretch out from their urban sewers to attack what and where they can.

Not worried about common criminals. It's a bigger issue than that.

The usual pro-gun narrative is that the elites are trying to disarm the common people. What if, instead, it's the common people who end up trying to disarm the elites? This is not so far-fetched, since we're seeing the rise of the populist movement in this country. Populism is fueled by hatred of the elites. Plus, it's a matter of definitions. "Elites" are being defined as anyone even slightly left of center. Just look at the language being used -- "commies," "homo-globalists," etc., applied to people who aren't any of those things.

My advice to these potential victims, if they aren't already armed, is to arm themselves before it's too late.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Matyas Rakosi, the Communist boss of Hungary 1945-1956 bragged about his "salami-slicing" tactics-just a little bit at a time. Red flag laws, endless "safe" and "forbidden" places for CCW, "gun safety" measures, etc.